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03-10-2012, 11:38 AM
Again from the NRO's 'The Corner'
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Birthers Lose, Again</span>
By Kevin D. Williamson
March 9, 2012 2:21 P.M.
Judge Richard Gordon, a Republican appointee, has dismissed an Arizona birther’s lawsuit holding that President Obama is ineligible to stand for reelection. The decision speaks to two enduring untruths at the heart of revanchist birtherism: That the issue is no longer the president’s birth certificate, but whether he meets the constitutional definition of “natural born citizen,” and that a 19th century Supreme Court decision suggests he does not.
Plaintiff claims that President Obama cannot stand for reelection because he is not a “natural born citizen” as required by the United States Constitution. U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. According to Plaintiff this is so because President Obama’s father was a resident of Kenya and thus a British citizen. . . . <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986 (1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702-03(1898) (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV); Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678,684-88 (Ind. App. 2010) (addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.
Naturally, the birthers will come up with another rationale, in much the same way that guys who predict that the world will end on such-and-such a date always come up with a new story.
03-10-2012, 03:06 PM
The The Holey Bible woz smart -- didn giv a date.
Delta smelta still waiting for Jesus II.
Hmmmmmm -- did Roosevelte stand for re-election??????????????
Wht don't they just come right out and say it,
"we will never accept a n]@@er in the WH".
03-12-2012, 10:05 AM
They rely on an 18th century authority that the Founders could not have honored, as his book had not yet been published and/or translated into English (forget which, maybe both) until well after the Founders made their requirements.
03-12-2012, 12:37 PM
Count me among the 'birthers'.
03-12-2012, 01:52 PM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #3366FF">In Positive Economic Sign, Republicans Starting to Say Obama Wasn’t Born in US Again</span></span>
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>S & P Birther Index Posts Big Gains</span>
Borowitz Report (http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/03/03/in-positive-economic-sign-republicans-starting-to-say-obama-wasnt-born-in-us-again/)
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – In what some experts are calling a strong indicator of improvement in the economy, Republicans in recent weeks have begun renewing their claims that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States.
While most economists agree that any significant improvement in the US economy is generally accompanied by an uptick in GOP questions about Mr. Obama’s place of birth, there is now an econometric tool for measuring the increase in those claims: the so-called S & P Birther Index.
The Birther Index, established in 2008, measures the occurrences of such words as “birth certificate,” “Kenya,” and “wasn’t born here” in Republican statements about the President, and has proven to be a surprisingly reliable tool for tracking improvements in the economy.
Harland Dorinson, the economist who devised the S & P Birther Index, said that as the economy recovers the index also shows a strong surge in statements questioning the President’s Christianity.
“As unemployment started going down, we saw an increase in references to Mr. Obama being a Muslim,” he said. “This is generally a very bullish sign for the economy.”
But Mr. Dorinson was quick to add that while the surge in references to Mr. Obama being “an Islamic socialist born in a mud-hut in Nairobi” is encouraging, the economy is not out of the woods yet.
“We won’t be fully in a recovery until the Republicans start calling him a Wiccan,” he said. “And if they start saying he’s a Satanist who practices human sacrifice and drinks the blood of children, then it’ll be time to pop open the champagne.”</span>
03-12-2012, 02:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Count me among the 'birthers'. </div></div>
First, let's mention that the use of that word for them is done entirely to discount them, in my view, which isn't fair. They raise some interesting questions that deserve answers, even if they are wrong-headedly posed. (Cf: 'truthers' for the same point) It IS a convenient shorthand, but as a way to compartmentalize them as crazies without a single point to their credit, when there are points they make that are worth considering.
I think it's interesting, perplexing, and perhaps a little troubling that the pdf-d bc shows the artifacts it does, and personally, I'd welcome a full and credible explanation for whether that's entirely normal for a doc done in that fashion or not. But from disinterested parties, or if that isn't possible, two expert sides of the question.
Which I take to be UNLIKE what those people do, which is to take INTERESTED parties' word for it, a bad practice in general.
And of course, if the bc was forged, it doesn't necessarily mean he was born overseas, and in fact, they have changed their main argument, as I understand it, to a legal standard of NBC they claim is the only possible interpretation of that term the COTUS doesn't define, but uses. Apparently, by this ruling cited, that legal argument is false, however.
03-12-2012, 04:28 PM
This iz bullshit. Wicans are not crazy etc. Wicans are demonized, whereaz, just for starters, if one looks into Wicology etc one sees that Christians spend more time etc dancing with satan etc than do Wicans.
Christianity haz more linkage to satan than duz Wicianity.
03-13-2012, 08:47 AM
I am more interested in why The Morom's past is so secretive and why MSM is uninterested in digging up all the answers. Why does he have a Connecticut SS number without ever living there? What passport did he use to travel to Pakistan? Did The Moron apply as a foreign student to when entering college? Did he become a citizen of Indonesia as I heard his local school required? Why is it so difficult or impossible to discover information the other candidates supply without question? All of his college records are sealed for some unknown reason. If there is nothing to hide, why is it hidden? There is likely some reasonable answers to some questions but it is a black mark on our history that these questions are just left hanging.
Where is your PROOF that he is not eligible to be POTUS?
As suspected, your don't have any.
Give it up, you might not have noticed but he is already POTUS.
The fact that he IS POTUS says that he is eligible.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ipso facto is a Latin phrase, directly translated as "by the fact itself," </div></div>
03-13-2012, 09:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am more interested in why The Morom's past is so secretive and why MSM is uninterested in digging up all the answers. Why does he have a Connecticut SS number without ever living there? What passport did he use to travel to Pakistan? Did The Moron apply as a foreign student to when entering college? Did he become a citizen of Indonesia as I heard his local school required? Why is it so difficult or impossible to discover information the other candidates supply without question? All of his college records are sealed for some unknown reason. If there is nothing to hide, why is it hidden? There is likely some reasonable answers to some questions but it is a black mark on our history that these questions are just left hanging. </div></div>
Little of that relates to his eligibility (citizen of Indonesia the exception). The Connecticut SS issue has a simple answer, surprised you haven't seen it, but that's a reflection on you, for not having seen it (by not looking, I expect).
And most of the rest is standard-- I don't recall ever having seen or read the grades of HRC or WJC in their undergraduate days, or their law school transcripts, or WJC's marks at Oxford.
However, like WJC's mysterious trip to Eastern Europe, where there was an issue of how it was paid for, apparently many of these people were in the Agency early on.
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