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Qtec
03-25-2012, 04:28 AM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPx9VHOsEY&feature=related" target="_blank">How Fox News Distorts the Climate Debate

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Qtec
03-25-2012, 04:29 AM
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/03/23/450537/warming-fueled-texas-drought-cost-farmers-76-billion-no-one-alive-has-seen-drought-damage-this-extent/" target="_blank">Warming-Fueled Texas Drought Cost Farmers $7.6 Billion: ‘No One Alive Has Seen Single-Year Drought Damage To This Extent’

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“No one alive has seen single-year drought damage to this extent,” said Dr. Travis Miller, AgriLife Extension agronomist and a member of the Governor’s Drought Preparedness Council. “Texas farmers and ranchers are not strangers to drought, but the intensity of the drought, reflected in record high temperatures, record low precipitation, unprecedented winds coupled with duration – all came together to devastate production agriculture.” </div></div>

Fox is not news.

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eg8r
03-25-2012, 05:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one alive has seen single-year drought damage to this extent</div></div>OK, so tell me, is this because it has never happened before, OR because it happened over a 100 years ago?

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LWW
03-26-2012, 03:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one alive has seen single-year drought damage to this extent</div></div>OK, so tell me, is this because it has never happened before, OR because it happened over a 100 years ago?

eg8r </div></div>

That is the fatal flaw in Goremonism ... it pimps the faithful by using 150 years of history when millions of years of history are available and dispute the faith's primary premise.

Qtec
03-26-2012, 04:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one alive has seen single-year drought damage to this extent</div></div>OK, so tell me, is this because it has never happened before, OR because it happened over a 100 years ago?

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“It’s the most severe single-year drought on record,” said John Nielsen-Gammon, the state climatologist and a professor of atmospheric sciences at Texas A&M University. “There literally is no point of comparison.” </div></div>

If you had watched the video, you would have seen numerous Fox pundits using the same argument as proof of non-GW! One extreme weather anomaly doesn't prove anything.

What the video shows is the Fox has an agenda to dismiss GW which comes from the top down, despite the facts.

They dumb down their watchers.

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LWW
03-26-2012, 04:13 AM
When did GW begin?

Qtec
03-26-2012, 05:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When did GW begin? </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'> What the video shows is the Fox has an agenda to dismiss GW which comes from the top down, despite the facts.

They dumb down their watchers.</span>

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Agreed?

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eg8r
03-26-2012, 08:11 AM
Are you going to answer my question? You chose a specific quote and now I am asking you a question about the quote you chose to use. You must have selected that one for a reason.

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Soflasnapper
03-26-2012, 08:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one alive has seen single-year drought damage to this extent</div></div>OK, so tell me, is this because it has never happened before, OR because it happened over a 100 years ago?

eg8r </div></div>

Most likely, there have been weather events comparable to this drought in Texas and throughout the Midwest within the last 100 years back or a little further back.

None would have ever cost this much money, because agriculture was never so developed as it is now. It would have been small private grubstake farmers before, not giant ag concerns, except for the largest cattle ranchers (and again, the money wasn't comparable).

Soflasnapper
03-26-2012, 08:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When did GW begin? </div></div>

GW began, THIS TIME (since it's been either warming or cooling in cycles probably forever), likely in the '70s, when by cycle analysis we should have been turning to the cooling phase (but didn't).

This was in fact the observation of the scientists talking about the on-set of a new Ice Age (cooling period) so widely mentioned as scientists supposedly offering hysterical alarmist predictions (supposedly turning out to be false), when they themselves said directly at the time that the cooling predictions were likely to be and were seemingly being swamped by the AGW already being seen at that time.

That the last 10 years have been the hottest 10 year period in recorded measurement is in the face of the most severe and prolonged solar activity minimum in recorded times as well. When the sun gets back to normal levels, as is expected relatively immediately, it will add energy instead of reducing energy received here, and Katy bar the door.

eg8r
03-26-2012, 09:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most likely, there have been weather events comparable to this drought in Texas and throughout the Midwest within the last 100 years back or a little further back.
</div></div>Were any of the other droughts blamed on man made global warming?

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eg8r
03-26-2012, 09:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That the last 10 years have been the hottest 10 year period in recorded measurement is in the face of the most severe and prolonged solar activity minimum in recorded times as well. When the sun gets back to normal levels, as is expected relatively immediately, it will add energy instead of reducing energy received here, and Katy bar the door. </div></div>Sounds like a lot of natural heating going on. When exactly did you guys want to "manually" insert the "man-made" part and make that the root of all evil?

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LWW
03-26-2012, 12:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When did GW begin? </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'> What the video shows is the Fox has an agenda to dismiss GW which comes from the top down, despite the facts.

They dumb down their watchers.</span>

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Agreed?

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When did GW begin?

LWW
03-26-2012, 12:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When did GW begin? </div></div>

GW began, THIS TIME (since it's been either warming or cooling in cycles probably forever), likely in the '70s ...</div></div>

If you meant somewhere between 10,071 BC and 10,080 BC I would think you might have nailed it.

http://gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/gifs/article1-fig2.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Figure 2 Variations in regional surface temperatures for the last 18,000 years, estimated from a variety of sources. Shown are changes in°C, from the value for 1900. Compiled by R. S. Bradley and J. A. Eddy based on J. T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1990 and published in EarthQuest, vol 5, no 1, 1991. </div></div>

OH MY! (http://gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/article1-fig2.html)

Qtec
03-27-2012, 03:20 AM
Just in.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scientists: <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Global Warming ‘Very Likely’ Caused Recent Extreme Weather Disasters</span> | Extreme weather events over the past decade have increased and were “very likely” caused by manmade global warming, a study in the journal Nature Climate Change said on Sunday. “Scientists at Germany’s Potsdam Institute for Climate Research used physics, statistical analysis and computer simulations to link extreme rainfall and heat waves to global warming,” Reuters reports. “It is very likely that several of the unprecedented extremes of the past decade would not have occurred without anthropogenic global warming,” said the study </div></div>

link (http://thinkprogress.org/green/2012/03/26/451748/scientists-global-warming-very-likely-caused-recent-extreme-weather-disasters/)

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LWW
03-27-2012, 05:16 AM
So when did GW begin?