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llotter
04-02-2012, 08:24 PM
The quick answer from Democrats is that 'everybody cheats' and I think they actually believe it but though that response usually deflect most criticism, 'everybody does it' is just another Democrat lie.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/

LWW
04-03-2012, 06:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The quick answer from Democrats is that 'everybody cheats' and I think they actually believe it but though that response usually deflect most criticism, 'everybody does it' is just another Democrat lie.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/ </div></div>

How dare these rethuglican, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, genocidal, sucidal, homicidal, dance recital, chauvinistic pigdogs think they have a right to block the ascendency of our newest godking.

llotter
04-03-2012, 08:23 AM
There is little doubt that the prosecutors are all RW Republicans that are entrapping the innocent for partisan motives.

LWW
04-03-2012, 08:56 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>IN THE NAMES OF THE MOTHER GAIA, HER SON SAINT ALBERT ... PEACE PRIZE BE UPON HIM, AND OUR FATHER OBAMA I HEREBY DENOUNCE THESE ENEMIES OF THE STATE!</span>

llotter
04-03-2012, 09:07 AM
A lynch mob is too good for these bastards

LWW
04-03-2012, 09:08 AM
The left is a lynch mob.

Soflasnapper
04-03-2012, 09:15 AM
Apparently a fraud for no particular purpose except to be lazy. (??)

There cannot have been a problem with obtaining enough signatures in the correct way, but this saved some time and shoe leather. These weren't voting irregularities, but petition frauds at the threshold question of gaining the ballot.

Quite stupid. Like all these people who vote at places they don't live-- also stupid, although I don't know that it's a felony level crime, as that poor GOP Sec of State was convicted of.

Poor Dick Lugar was almost shut out of voting in his state for a false claim to live in a relative's basement or something, and Mitt Romney is defrauding the various states he lives in with his bogus assertion of residence in Massachusetts. Why do these people do such stupid things? Dunno.

llotter
04-03-2012, 09:26 AM
Oh yes, they all do it. Good one.

Soflasnapper
04-03-2012, 09:59 AM
While voting fraudulently from a registered location where you do not live IS apparently a felony (and applies to the presumptive GOP presidential nominee), it is considerably different from the petition to get on the ballot fraud described in your link. When it is the SECRETARY OF STATE, the top state official who runs the elections, it is slightly more embarrassing, I'd argue.

It is the case, however, that Gingrich and Santorum both ran afoul of petition to get on the ballot fraud, in their effort to be eligible to get on Virginia's ballot. Why? Well in their case, it probably was not having enough time (or money, previously) to do it in the normal way. Their penalty was no criminal charge on them, but simply failure to get the state to put them on the ballot.

llotter
04-03-2012, 11:44 AM
I didn't hear anything about cheating on ballot petitions in VA nor charges made, legal of otherwise. Are you making up 'facts' to fit your narrative?

Soflasnapper
04-03-2012, 12:52 PM
No, LOL! Do you also lack teh google?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich on Wednesday blamed his campaign's failure to produce the required number of signatures in order to appear on Virginia's primary ballot on "one guy," whom Gingrich said "frankly committed fraud."

The Republican Party of Virginia announced early Saturday that the former House speaker had not turned in the 10,000 verified signatures the state requires in order to appear on the ballot for the state's March 6 Republican primary.

Gingrich's campaign initially announced it would pursue a write-in campaign, but upon learning that Virginia law prohibits write-in candidates in primary contests, it changed its tune, promising to pursue "alternative methods" for getting on the ballot.

But on Wednesday, Gingrich told a crowd gathered in an Iowa chocolate shop that the reason his campaign's 11,100 signatures weren't ruled admissable was because "we hired somebody who turned in false signatures. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>We turned in 11,100 -- we needed 10,000 -- 1,500 of them were by one guy who frankly committed fraud."</span> </div></div>

HoffPost (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/newt-gingrich-virginia-ballot_n_1173340.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Gingrich Ballot Fraud: Virginia Election Officials Confirm Criminal Investigation</span>


Gingrich is being charged so far with 1,500 alleged cases of ballot petition fraud


Brad Friedman
The Brad Blog
February 1, 2012

Had the same thing been carried out by a worker for the now-defunct ACORN, Republicans — and even Newt Gingrich — would have called it massive “voter fraud.” But the 1,500 acts of fraud, by Gingrich’s own admission, were carried out by a worker hired by his campaign, so it seems the media have barely noticed it.

Nonetheless, The BRAD BLOG has received confirmation from two different state agencies that the 1,500 alleged cases of ballot petition fraud said to have been carried out on behalf of the Gingrich campaign, in their unsuccessful attempt to qualify for the Republican primary ballot in Virginia, are now being carried out by the state Attorney General’s office.

In late December, after Gingrich had failed to turn in enough valid signatures to qualify for the Virginia primary ballot, he was caught on video tape telling a supporter in Iowa that the reason for the failure was due to a campaign worker who created 1,500 fraudulent signatures.

“We turned in 11,100 — we needed 10,000 — 1,500 of them were by one guy who, frankly, committed fraud,” Gingrich is seen and heard saying in video originally aired by CNN.

The former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives downplayed the incident, by explaining to the woman that the entire affair was “just a mistake,” after they had “hired somebody who turned in false signatures.”

Neither he nor his campaign, however, has made the name of the alleged “one guy” public, to our knowledge, despite the extraordinary number of fraudulent signatures created and turned in by that “one guy” in what an official at the Virginia State Board of Elections (SBE) described to us as “definitely an illegal act.”

A d v e r t i s e m e n t

News of the embarrassing criminal investigation is confirmed today, even as voters go to the polls for Florida’s 2012 GOP Primary, where Gingrich is facing off against front-runner Mitt Romney who, ironically — and uncomfortably enough for Republicans — may also find himself the subject of a criminal voter fraudinvestigation in the not-too-distant future…

Gingrich fraud investigation confirmed

In mid-January, in a little-noticed blog item by the Washington Post‘s Anita Kumar, it was reported that the SBE was requesting a probe by the office of VA’s Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) into what SBE chairman Charlie Judd described as “irregularities” found on the Gingrich petitions.

Late last week, SBE Deputy Secretary Justin Riemer confirmed to The BRAD BLOG both the referral to the AG’s office as well as the fact that an investigation into the ballot petition fraud was officially being carried out by the AG.

“We’re not an investigative body, but this issue has been referred to the State AG by the State Board of Elections, after learning of allegations of fraudulent signature gathering in that case, and a number of others,” Riemer told us by telephone. “My understanding is that an investigation is under way,” he said.

When we asked what “other” cases had also been referred to the AG, he pointed us to them for more details, though he characterized the petition signature fraud as described by Gingrich, if true, as “definitely an illegal act.”</div></div>