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Qtec
04-03-2012, 02:24 AM
link (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/slippery-slope-of-insurance-mandate-analogies.php)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Tuesday’s oral arguments, the Supreme Court’s task was to examine the constitutionality of the health insurance mandate at the core of President Obama’s health care law. Though the arguments touched on the limits of the commerce clause and past judicial precedents, much of the discussion was devoted to a series of slippery slope analogies postulated by the Justices and plaintiffs in the case.

In the world envisioned by the Supreme Court, a constitutional insurance mandate could plausibly lead to government mandates of all sorts, including for cell phones and broccoli. Cable news took one step closer to the proverbial slippery slope by imagining the litany of mandates an unrestrained federal government could unleash on the American public. </div></div>

Can the Govt compel you to have an examination you don't want?

Can the Govt come between you and your doctor?

Q

Soflasnapper
04-03-2012, 09:26 AM
A slippery slope argument is evidence that there is no real argument from first principles or the text of the Constitution. It is a weak fallback argument.

Yes, there is the issue of enumerated and limited powers. However, as of the generations ago when SS passed muster under the high court's review, the power of the government to require you to purchase old age insurance type of care FOR OTHER PEOPLE has been the accepted Constitutional interpretation. Similarly with Medicare, where you are forced (if you earn wages) to buy medical care insurance FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

eg8r
04-03-2012, 01:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can the Govt compel you to have an examination you don't want?

Can the Govt come between you and your doctor?
</div></div>Once they start mandating you to buy the insurance they can start mandating you to do whatever they want. It just takes time.

eg8r

eg8r
04-03-2012, 01:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Similarly with Medicare, where you are forced (if you earn wages) </div></div>Exactly which is why you are comparing apples and oranges. IF YOU EARN WAGES is the real differentiator. A person can choose to not have a job. There are literally thousands of people that make this decision and live in poverty on the handouts of taxpaying Americans. However, with respect to the HC bill mandate, an American cannot choose to quit breathing in order to evade this HC mandate.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
04-03-2012, 03:57 PM
A facile but incorrect retort.

Even if you do earn money, the burden of the insurance premium OR the penalty is taken to zero for the impecunious at some level.

Otherwise a great reply, though!

eg8r
04-04-2012, 08:46 AM
The HC mandate is not similar at all to Medicare. People can make the decision whether to pay into Medicare. They will NOT have that option with Obamacare.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
04-04-2012, 10:46 AM
There are some differences, but more similarities.

One cannot really decide whether to pay into Medicare, as soon as you get a job with wages.

And you CAN decide to not have health insurance, and also decide not to pay the penalty, so long as you aren't eligible for a tax refund. There is no enforcement mechanism other than holding back tax refunds otherwise due.

You have a greater ability to dodge ACA costs than you do the MC payroll tax.

eg8r
04-04-2012, 12:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are some differences, but more similarities.
</div></div>It is the glaring difference of choice that you want to sweep under the rug.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One cannot really decide whether to pay into Medicare, as soon as you get a job with wages.
</div></div>I have already given one example, do you need more? People choose jobs that are paid under the table all the time. qtip is a perfect example for this type of criminal activity.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And you CAN decide to not have health insurance, and also decide not to pay the penalty, so long as you aren't eligible for a tax refund.</div></div>So again, you cannot make that choice. For those not getting a tax refund, but they get government assistance, they still can choose to not get the insurance and not pay penalties? Great, but aren' those the people Obama declared he would save?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no enforcement mechanism other than holding back tax refunds otherwise due.
</div></div>Well thank goodness there is no chance of Congress changing the law. EVER.

eg8r