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DiabloViejo
04-05-2012, 01:23 AM
In defense of socialism
Republicans love to attack Obama's so-called socialist agenda, but it's the GOP that is trying desperately to implement the worst tenets of the doctrine
POSTED ON MARCH 28, 2012, AT 6:00 PM
YUNTE HUANG
The Week.com (http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/226122/in-defense-of-socialism)

Driving around Texas some time ago, I saw a big billboard by Interstate 35 that sported an unflattering headshot of President Obama and a bold slogan: "Socialist by Conduct." Having grown up in China, where being labeled a socialist is like being called Mother Teresa, I was utterly befuddled by the ad.

From day one of Obama's presidency, critics have tried to label him "a socialist from Kenya," attacking his policies as evil attempts to redistribute wealth. Newt Gingrich has called Obama "the food stamp president." Rick Santorum warns that in a second term, Obama would turn America into a bankrupt socialist society like, God forbid, Europe. ObamaCare has angered critics who bristle against what they perceive to be its socialist agenda. For that very reason, the Supreme Court is now weighing the fate of the law a law whose basic premise, mind you, was originally a Republican idea.

I have lived in the U.S. long enough to know that "socialism" is an antagonistic word in American politics. Its historical connotations date back to the divisive labor movement of the early 1900s, and to McCarthyism and the 1950s red scare. And today, Republican-backed, union-busting bills in Wisconsin, Ohio, and Indiana are meant to crush any hint of socialism, despite the fact that the states are struggling economically.

Strip away all the overly politicized, negative connotations, and you'll see that socialism is loosely defined as any economic or political theory advocating collective or governmental ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods. Such governmental ownership runs counter to the free spirit of enterprise capitalism. But what happened to capitalism in 2008? Remember those government bailouts? Not one, but two! Even today, Uncle Sam still owns a big piece of General Motors.

Despite its puzzlingly bad reputation in the U.S., socialism, or some version of it, has always played a role in modern societies including America. What is a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" if not one that emphasizes collective governing? Certain areas of life need to be operated by the government, such as defense, infrastructure, health care, social security, education, and fiscal policy. What we have seen in the past several decades in this country is a steady erosion of the government's ability to operate for the good of the public. The government has instead turned into a vehicle for private profiteering. From tax codes that favor the super-rich to the defunding of public education, the game has been rigged in favor of the haves, against the have-nots.

In California, budget cuts and the wrongheaded initiative by the Board of Regents to privatize the University of California to decrease dependence on the cash-strapped state government have mostly just driven up tuition costs. Fairly soon, one of the best public university systems in the world will no longer serve the taxpayers of the state. It is now often more costly to attend UC than pricey private universities like Harvard or Stanford. The best way we can beat back the tide of privatization of education is through government intervention, on both the federal and state levels. But for such interventions to be effective, citizens must recognize and accept the fundamental role a government can play in this area rather than ring the "socialism" warning bell.

Oddly enough, the politicians who most loudly condemn liberal policies as socialist conspiracies are often the ones who try to enact the most repressive tenets of socialism. When it comes to moral ideology, conservatives in this country are even more socialist than liberals. The recent wave of health bills attempting to place limits on a woman's reproductive freedoms, from proposed mandatory transvaginal ultrasound tests in Virginia to Arizona's law requiring women to tell their employers that they use birth control, make China's draconian reproductive policies look humane. As anyone who has lived in a socialist country can testify, the worst thing about socialism is the invasion of privacy, and the best things are governmental policies that benefit everyone, not just the rich and privileged. It is time for conservatives to wise up, and stop badmouthing socialism because they're really pointing the finger at themselves.

cushioncrawler
04-05-2012, 03:51 AM
This silly prick thinks that China's baby policy iz bad.
Silly prick.
mac.

llotter
04-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Yes, he's dumb as a rock all right but there are plenty even dumber that will follow his advice.

DiabloViejo
04-05-2012, 09:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, he's dumb as a rock all right but there are plenty even dumber that will follow his advice. </div></div>

Since you are an erudite man who is tuned in to world affairs, please explain the benefits of China's population control policies. BTW, besides responding in English, could you also do it in Cantonese Chinese for the benefit of our Chinese readers?

Soflasnapper
04-07-2012, 06:22 PM
In three single-spaced pages, you forgot to require!!! LOL!

Actually, people don't pitch a fit about having society responsible for drivable roads, or having collectively hired and paid for police and fire departments, or its maintenance of the courts by which we may seek redress for civil wrongs and have awards enforced. These are all social goods paid for by society, and just as much 'socialism' as what they DO complain about (although, to be accurate, none of that is socialisM, although socialisTIC policy, to be sure).

Qtec
04-08-2012, 03:03 AM
Usually, when there is a war on, Socialism is good. All for one and all that.

Q

Soflasnapper
04-08-2012, 11:12 AM
People now forget if they ever knew that the great arsenal of democracy, the turning of domestic production to the war effort, was done under draconian and near- or actual fascistic control of the entire productive economy under the domestic czar of the day, Jimmy Byrnes. Wage and price controls, rationing, and essentially, the commandeering of the automobile and ship making industries to put out tanks and Liberty ships, etc.

cushioncrawler
04-08-2012, 03:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, he's dumb as a rock all right but there are plenty even dumber that will follow his advice.</div></div>Since you are an erudite man who is tuned in to world affairs, please explain the benefits of China's population control policies. BTW, besides responding in English, could you also do it in Cantonese Chinese for the benefit of our Chinese readers?</div></div>The No1 problem in the world iz overpopulation. The No1 good thing in the world iz the chineze one baby policy.
mac.

DiabloViejo
04-08-2012, 03:15 PM
So you favor forced abortion, forced sterilization, and infanticide? That's pretty darned enlightened of you, ain't it? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

cushioncrawler
04-08-2012, 09:17 PM
Yes.
mac.

Stretch
04-08-2012, 10:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes.
mac. </div></div>

Overpopulation beyond what is available to sustain always ends badly, for everyone. St.

DiabloViejo
04-09-2012, 02:08 AM
At times like this, my faith in decency and humanity is shaken. I am truly, truly, sorry for you, Mac, and Stretch.

What's next eugenics? Mass slaughter? Who are to be the ones who determine who lives and who dies?

I hate all oppression, no matter who champions it. I believe in freedom--- life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I will not sell out my very essence, my being, my soul..in the end, it is all I have.

nAz
04-09-2012, 03:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes.
mac. </div></div>

Overpopulation beyond what is available to sustain always ends badly, for everyone. St. </div></div>

Agreed way too many people on this world.

"Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."


well i don't think its that bad, it may get there one day... but one damn strong plague should take care of most of the population problems.

Qtec
04-09-2012, 03:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but one damn strong plague should take care of most of the population problems. </div></div>

Its coming but its not a plague. The over use of antibiotics has produced bacteria that are becoming ever more resistant. people in the future will die of diseases that a 10 years before were easily treatable.

We have accelerated bacterial evolution. Big mistake.

Q

cushioncrawler
04-09-2012, 07:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At times like this, my faith in decency and humanity is shaken. I am truly, truly, sorry for you, Mac, and Stretch. What's next eugenics? Mass slaughter? Who are to be the ones who determine who lives and who dies? I hate all oppression, no matter who champions it. I believe in freedom--- life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I will not sell out my very essence, my being, my soul..in the end, it is all I have.
</div></div>Yes, u, u kan hav -- and stuff everyone else in the future.
U and all like u are happy to oppress the countless numbers of intelligent peeple who follow us.
How selfish iz that.
mac.