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DiabloViejo
04-09-2012, 02:33 AM
And So It’s Begun – Pastor Rick Warren Puts Romney’s Religion On Display, Evangelicals Starting To Support Obama (VIDEO)
April 8, 2012
By Wendy Gittleson

This year’s Presidential election will prove to be an interesting one for the evangelical Christian base of the Republican party. Presuming Mitt Romney wins the GOP nomination, voters are going to have to choose between two candidates whose American birthrights and religion are being scrutinized, by those on the right.

Since before President Obama was elected, he has faced ridiculous and conspiratorial charges of being ineligible to be President, because, among other reasons that are false, his father was born in Kenya. Romney’s father was born in Mexico, and some in the 'birther' (http://www.newser.com/story/142458/birthers-sue-california-to-verify-romney.html) crowd are questioning his legitimacy as well, although many think they are using this as a backdoor way of delegitimizing the President.

There is also a religious war, of sorts, in the quest for the Presidency. Obama, who is a Christian, has been plagued with questions about his religion. Throughout, people have claimed that he is a Muslim while almost simultaneously complaining that the Christian church he attended in Chicago was “too black.” Regardless, Obama is a Christian. Romney, on the other hand, is a Mormon, a religion that in the eyes of many Christians, is a cult. Pastor Rick Warren of the evangelical Saddleback Church doesn’t believe that Romney is a “real” Christian. On a Sunday interview with ABC, Warren told interviewer Jake Tapper:

“Well, the key sticking point for evangelicals and actually for many is the issue of the Trinity,” the evangelical pastor explained. “Orthodox Christians, Catholic Christians, Protestant Christians, evangelical Christians and Pentecostal Christians all believe in the Trinity; that’s the historic doctrine of the church, that God is three-in-one. Not three gods; one God in Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”

“Mormonism denies that. That’s a sticking point for a lot of Catholic Christians, evangelical Christians, Pentecostal Christians, because they don’t — they don’t believe that.”

“Now they’ll use the same terminology, but they don’t believe in the historic doctrine of the Trinity,” Warren added. “And people have tried to make it other issues. But that’s really one of the fundamental differences.”

Here’s the video:
And so it's begun. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/08/rick-warren-mormonism-denies-christian-doctrine/)

Warren isn’t alone among Christians. In fact, Obama has seen his approval rating double among evangelicals (http://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-evangelicals-may-double-their-support-for-obama-in-2012-election-72657/) , from 11% during the 2008 election to 22% today. While that is still a minority, and a tenuous minority at that, it does show one of two things…either that after four years as President, people are finally beginning to accept that Obama has no “Muslim agenda” or that they aren’t buying Romney as one of them.

So far, at least, Romney isn’t helping himself. Despite over four years of Obama having to answer questions about his religion, Romney has expressed only hostility (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/02/romney-fields-hostile-question-on-mormonism/) at questions about his.

eg8r
04-09-2012, 08:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Warren isn’t alone among Christians. In fact, Obama has seen his approval rating double among evangelicals , from 11% during the 2008 election to 22% today. While that is still a minority, and a tenuous minority at that, it does show one of two things…either that after four years as President, people are finally beginning to accept that Obama has no “Muslim agenda” or that they aren’t buying Romney as one of them.
</div></div>Why bother letting Wendy Gittleson tell you there are only two options? As an Obama supporter why not demand Wendy start up a poll asking people exactly why they are changing their support. What does she get out of making this a religious issue?

The lefties out there are completely ignoring the stuff that Obama is doing that pisses them off and they are focusing on how to get Reps to self-destruct. Instead of focusing on issues where Obama has become a Bush-look-alike they have decided to try and put him on the back burner and focus instead on ways to get Reps fighting with each other. Examples of those are these religious issues and the faux-assault on women. Both are BS and it is easy to see the Dems are inventing garbage to tie up the Reps so they can defend themselves instead of the Obama having to defend his poor policy.

Is it effective? Well, time will tell.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
04-09-2012, 11:31 AM
As an Obama supporter why not demand Wendy start up a poll asking people exactly why they are changing their support. What does she get out of making this a religious issue?

Hard to do a proper poll much under $100k. No individual who is not a candidate or a big political player would do such a costly project. The option of doing an on-line poll is worthless, because such poll results have no scientific standing or hope of accuracy.

The left who has heavily criticized and even despised and condemned Obama (I don't think that's overstating the case) has looked into the abyss of a GOP win and have begun coming home to the president's side.

Here's a recent example from Joe Cannon @ cannonfire.blogspot.com:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Update: Time to talk seriously. Yes, Obama has governed, will govern, as a Republican. I will always despise him for that. But Romney will govern as a Tea Party Republican, even if he doesn't want to. And that, my friends, will be much worse.
</div></div>

As for the fundamentalist evangelicals, they read and believe the Bible.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God
the Father, who raised him from the dead;) . . . I marvel that ye are so soon
removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another
gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would
pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.</div></div>

(Galatians 1:1, 6-10)

LDS has a new Gospel, therefore, they're part of the anti-Christ movement. QED.

eg8r
04-09-2012, 11:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hard to do a proper poll much under $100k. No individual who is not a candidate or a big political player would do such a costly project. The option of doing an on-line poll is worthless, because such poll results have no scientific standing or hope of accuracy.
</div></div>Why does it cost so much for political polls? We can poll 144,000 employees and run all the data calculations we want for extremely less money.

That is all besides the point, basically the point was that the author is not interested in the real reasons to why people change their views over time, she is more interested in how she can manipulate those reasons for her desired effect.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
04-09-2012, 04:28 PM
To get 1,000 of an adequately randomized sample might take 5,000 inquiries. Reached by telephone. How many answer the phone at all, let alone agree to give responses to a survey caller, and then how many qualify in the group in question? It's both time consuming and labor intensive.