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DiabloViejo
04-19-2012, 03:40 PM
Remembering Right Wing Terrorism: The Oklahoma City Bombing 4/19/1995
April 19, 2012
By Justin "Filthy Liberal Scum" Rosario

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Today is the anniversary of the largest act of domestic terrorism in United States history, the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995. 168 people were killed, including 19 children. Now here’s the part we’re not supposed to talk about: the bombing was carried out by right-wing extremists during a time of overheated right-wing rhetoric. Today’s right-wing rhetoric makes the 90s look like water cooler gossip. But making that comparison is frowned upon.

Why is that? Why aren’t we supposed to talk about it? Because it’s “politicizing a tragedy?” Because Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were “lone wolves” and the whole thing is just an “isolated incident?” That’s all bullshit. The nature of the attack was explicitly political. McVeigh was motivated by his far right ideology and a deep hatred of the government. Specifically, a Democratically led government. He felt that the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge were the beginnings of the much dreaded “government takeover” that paranoid militia groups have been preparing for. While Ruby Ridge was a legitimate mess and possible overreaction by the government, Waco was not.

David Koresh was your run-of-the-mill cult leader: charismatic, intelligent, narcissistic and completely amoral. He demanded that he be the one to impregnate his female followers and did not blink at statutory rape. Of course, he was the prophet and the messiah so why should he? This is who McVeigh was “defending;” a megalomaniac that raped little girls.

Still, this was perfectly acceptable if it meant “freedom” from the oppressive government.

Just to be clear (something the right does not enjoy when it comes to this topic) McVeigh was, without a shred of doubt, a right-wing extremist. When captured, he had pages of The Turner Diaries on his person. The Turner Diaries are an infamous right-wing, white supremacist (yes, that was redundant) novel about overthrowing the US government and the start of a race war that ends with the extermination of Jews and all non-whites. He was sympathetic to, if not an actual member of, the militia movement. The same militia movement that swelled during the Clinton years, fueled by conspiracies of black helicopters coming to kill or capture anyone that President Clinton wanted silenced. The same movement that went quiet during the Bush years even though we were “under attack” at all times from secret terrorist cells that were plotting our destruction. The same movement that wasn’t afraid of a Republican president trashing the Constitution with the Patriot Act but was simply terrified of a Democratic president who happened to be black (his skin color couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with it). The militia movement is undeniably fueled by right-wing hate and fear and it, in turn, influenced McVeigh.

Are you starting to understand why the right doesn’t want to talk about this?

There have been dozens of acts and attempted acts of right-wing violence in just the past three years as the right wing has ratcheted up their eliminationist rhetoric to an insane degree. The same message is repeated over and over and over: “It’s us or them. We’re at war. Get ready for violence, the liberals are coming.” Several massacres have been averted, some of them by chance (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/would-be-killer-inspired-by-glenn-beck/question-1277885/) but it’s just a matter of time until one slips through. In their paranoid fantasies of “taking their country back,” it doesn’t matter who gets hurt because they believe they’re at war. When asked about the death of children, some of them infants, McVeigh had this to say:

“I didn’t define the rules of engagement in this conflict. The rules, if not written down, are defined by the aggressor. It was brutal, no holds barred. Women and kids were killed at Waco and Ruby Ridge. You put back in [the government's] faces exactly what they’re giving out.”

This is the result of the rights’ violent rhetoric and we should never let them forget, no matter how hard they try, that this is what they stand for:

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This is Baylee Almon. She had just celebrated her first birthday the day before she was murdered by Timothy McVeigh. She died shortly after this picture was taken. When you listen to Ted Nugent declare that he will be dead or in jail if Obama gets re-elected, when you read about Wayne LaPierre, vice president of the NRA, insist that Obama is secretly preparing to steal everyone’s guns, when you hear every other pundit on Fox News compare liberals to Nazis, they do not represent patriotism or freedom or American values. They represent a baby dying as she is pulled from the wreckage of right-wing terrorism.

Take a moment to remind a conservative what today is and ask them if they’re OK with it. After all, the Tea Party’s favorite slogan is “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.” <u>Timothy McVeigh was wearing that slogan on a t-shirt the day he murdered Baylee Almon, 18 other children and 147 other people.</u> I think they should be reminded of that fact.

Soflasnapper
04-20-2012, 05:08 PM
Yep. And don't forget we were supposed to think it was Middle Eastern sponsored or actual ME terrorists, specifically from Saddamland. That's what the 'experts' told us repeatedly then.

moser
04-21-2012, 03:16 AM
An inspired, be worth to expect...

Gayle in MD
04-21-2012, 08:10 AM
Yep, and there are numerous cases of illegal intimidation, law breaking, dangerous militias, RW groups in our country today, who present major threats to our safety.

Many of these law breaking RW Radicals, were ignored throughout the Bush Administration, when their law breaking was obvious and evident.

SPLC has warned that these RW groups have grown to dangerous proportions, and I must say, the rheotric that is allowed to continue from the Republican nutjobs, without being condemned or even addressed by the Republican leadership, is a disgrace.

Their growing gall and nerve was certainly evidenced by the Tea Party and their disgusting racist themes and actions. Those TPers who were showing up in Washigton D.C., or anywhere else, with guns strapped to their bodies, should have been thrown in jail as well, imo, particularly the nutjobs who showed up anywhere where our president was speaking.

Imagine, if a left-winger had been toting a gun annywhere nnear GW Bush! Do you think it would have been just overlooked?

I notice Gov. Jan Brewer, for all of her other radical RW, anticonstitutional impositions upon others in her state, made damned sure her skin wasn't going to be at risk, by people bringing their guns into public state buildings!



Here is one who should be thrown in jail right now, IMO.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik...DblTT_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/ted-nugent-in-washington-times-i-stand-by-my-statements/2012/04/19/gIQALDblTT_blog.html)

Soflasnapper
04-21-2012, 02:43 PM
Now donning my tinfoil hat, I'll mention that the OKC bombing, like the more obvious case of the original WTC bombing in early '93, appear to be deep-state false flag sponsored terrorist acts, done for deep-state purposes.

In the aftermath, the essentials of the later Patriot Act were proposed to be put into place (wisely blocked as too extreme by the GOP at the time). And it marked the beginning of the rehabilitation of Clinton, whose leadership at the time was thought laudatory.

Gen. Partin, broadcasts of the day of several additional explosive devices in the building, Elohim City, Strassmier, and the FBI's own mole at Elohim City are the search terms to see to what I refer.

LWW
04-22-2012, 06:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a moment to remind a conservative what today is and ask them if they’re OK with it. After all, the Tea Party’s favorite slogan is “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.” Timothy McVeigh was wearing that slogan on a t-shirt the day he murdered Baylee Almon, 18 other children and 147 other people. I think they should be reminded of that fact. </div></div>

Who do you think that quote was from?

DiabloViejo
04-22-2012, 09:51 AM
The quote is from Thomas Jefferson. So what? Do you think Jefferson would have approved of the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children by McVeigh and Nichols? Do you think Jefferson was talking about killing elected officials simply because of party differences? Do you actually believe that Jefferson would be running around today supporting extreme right wing causes? LOL, you are such a fool.

BTW, do you deny that McVeigh and Nichols were both Republicans, NRA members, and adherents of far right, white supremacist, ideology? Are they some kind of heroes to you?

So go on and have your nightly wet dream of an America torn by civil war and sedition. Just don't kid yourself that Thomas Jefferson would approve.

LWW
04-22-2012, 11:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The quote is from Thomas Jefferson. So what? Do you think Jefferson would have approved of the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children by McVeigh and Nichols? Do you think Jefferson was talking about killing elected officials simply because of party differences? Do you actually believe that Jefferson would be running around today supporting extreme right wing causes? LOL, you are such a fool.

BTW, do you deny that McVeigh and Nichols were both Republicans, NRA members, and adherents of far right, white supremacist, ideology? Are they some kind of heroes to you?

So go on and have your nightly wet dream of an America torn by civil war and sedition. Just don't kid yourself that Thomas Jefferson would approve. </div></div>

1 - Yes it was from Jefferson.

2 - Your source was clearly condemning the quote, probably out of stupidity.

3 - White supremacist ideology is not far right ... It is far left in that it demands the state deprive people of liberty.

4 - Jefferson would be ashmed f America that we haven't had a revolt recently as he believed the life expectancy of the original republic to be between one ad two generations.

5 - No I don't think Jefferson would have approved of McVeigh's acts ... But you simply can't function without Alinskyism can you.

6 - Why is it that whenever this comes up the left can't face the fact that the root of this tragedy was their beloved state executing citizens without trial at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

I await your denial, deflection, defense of murder by state.

Soflasnapper
04-22-2012, 12:02 PM
6 - Why is it that whenever this comes up the left can't face the fact that the root of this tragedy was their beloved state executing citizens without trial at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

Why is it you never know who the left is? You think the Black Panthers (the real ones), the Weathermen, the SDS, Noam Chomsky, et al., LOVE THE STATE? THIS STATE? The state that rat f*cked them repeatedly, hunted them down, inserted agents provocateur, and killed them? They loved that state?

You think anti-war protestors love the state and its actions? You think those protesting the various economic arrangements of the world love those states (which are caving in their heads with batons and riot shields even if they are assembling peaceably)?

That's the left-- what you think is the left is not the left, and you constantly refuse to understand anything about how this divide shakes out. To you, almost the entire GOP is on the left. Which is your own world, your own language, and your own error.

LWW
04-23-2012, 03:13 AM
Absolutely they love the state, they simply want control of it so they can decide who is oppressed.

Lenin claimed to hate the state as well ... until he ran the state.

Soflasnapper
04-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Lenin didn't exactly just takeover and administer the feudal state and economic arrangements of the tzar-- he swept it all away and put in a wholly differently constituted state.

So by 'their beloved state' you really meant to say 'the state they absolutely hate and wish to replace with an entirely different kind of state'?

I understand-- if stated more accurately, it would kind of take away from the false point you were trying to make, so just glide over all such contradictions?

LWW
04-23-2012, 04:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lenin didn't exactly just takeover and administer the feudal state and economic arrangements of the tzar-- he swept it all away and put in a wholly differently constituted state.

So by 'their beloved state' you really meant to say 'the state they absolutely hate and wish to replace with an entirely different kind of state'?

I understand-- if stated more accurately, it would kind of take away from the false point you were trying to make, so just glide over all such contradictions? </div></div>

Let's review ... You claim that the Bolsheviks did away with an oligarchy where a few owned nearly everything and wielded power with impunity and replaced it with an oligarchy where a few owned nearly everything and wielded power with impunity.

Then you claim that when I said the Bolsheviks did away with an oligarchy where a few owned nearly everything and wielded power with impunity and replaced it with an oligarchy where a few owned nearly everything and wielded power with impunity I was wrong ... and that you don't practice doublethink.

Have you ever considered stand up?

Soflasnapper
04-23-2012, 05:22 PM
I know of no one comparing the feudal state's organization to that of an industrialized socialist/communist state, yourself the exception. Your superficial gloss notwithstanding, the similarities are dwarfed by the differences. Ask the Ukrainians if anything different occurred.

LWW
04-24-2012, 03:45 AM
Yet you fail to explain what the differences are?

Let me help you ... the difference was only a matter of degree.