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Sev
04-30-2012, 05:53 PM
More evidence Obama is in trouble.


April 30, 2012

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Arianna Huffington rips Obama for Osama ad: ‘One of the most despicable things’
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http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/30/ariann...B4RMAhQJLxLue9k (http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/30/arianna-huffington-rips-obama-for-osama-ad-one-of-the-most-despicable-things/#ooid=1qYWNsNDqLKSzWa5VB4RMAhQJLxLue9k)

Who would have seen this coming?

On Monday’s “CBS This Morning,” Huffington Post editor-in-chief Arianna Huffington condemned President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign for an ad questioning whether or not presumtive GOP nominee Mitt Romney would have killed Osama bin Laden.

The campaign ad features former President Bill Clinton applauding Obama, and takes what some say are Romney’s own words out of context to score political points. The Romney campaign condemned the ad and Huffington agreed.

“I agree with the Romney campaign,” she said.

“Using the Osama bin Laden assassination, killing, the great news we had a year ago, in order to say basically that Obama did it and Romney may not have done it, which is really the — which is the message — I don’t think there should be an ad about that. I think it’s one thing to celebrate the fact that they did such a great job. It’s one thing to have an NBC special from the ‘Situation Room’ … all of that is perfectly legitimate. But to turn it into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do.”

Huffington likened it to a 2008 campaign ad from Hillary Clinton questioning if Obama would have the wherewithal to react properly to a hypothetical emergency 3 a.m. phone call.

“It’s the same thing Hillary Clinton did with the 3 a.m. call — you know, ‘You’re not ready to be commander-in-chief,’” she continued. “It’s also what makes politicians and political leaders act irrationally when it comes to matters of war because they’re so afraid to be called wimps, that they make decisions, which are incredible destructive for the country. I’m sure the president would not have escalated in Afghanistan if he was not as concerned, as Democrats are, that Republicans are going to use not escalating against him in a campaign.”

Huffington argued that the ad went beyond merely celebrating one of Obama’s chief accomplishments.

“That’s not just what the ad does,” she said. “[The ad] quotes a snippet from Romney and uses that to imply that Romney would not has been as decisive. There’s no way to know whether Romney would have been as decisive. To actually speculate that he wouldn’t be is to me not the way to run a campaign on either side.”

DiabloViejo
04-30-2012, 06:41 PM
LOL, why should Obama back away from having accomplished one of his greatest campaign promises?

10/7/08: In a presidential debate, Barack Obama says that his highest national security priority is to kill Osama bin Laden and crush al Qaeda. YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHsjRzUTLQ)

BTW, why do you right wingers hate America and support terrorism? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Sev
04-30-2012, 06:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, why should Obama back away from having accomplished one of his greatest campaign promises?

10/7/08: In a presidential debate, Barack Obama says that his highest national security priority is to kill Osama bin Laden and crush al Qaeda. YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHsjRzUTLQ)

BTW, why do you right wingers hate America and support terrorism? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

Just what exactly did Obama personally accomplish?

DiabloViejo
05-01-2012, 12:58 AM
LMMFAO! He accomplished what he said he would do. I didn't know that in order for it to count he would have had to fly the helicopter solo into Abottabad and personally kill Bin Laden! Jeez you guys are a hoot!

If Bush had done it you would have had a collective orgasm and you would have never stopped talking about it. But hey, since it was Obama who got the job done..well you just can't give him any credit now can you?

Dude, take some Ex-Lax, I think you're full of you know what! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

eg8r
05-01-2012, 07:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, why should Obama back away from having accomplished one of his greatest campaign promises?
</div></div>Why is it you cannot even comprehend the subject when it is a lefty delivering it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW, why do you right wingers hate America and support terrorism?</div></div>LOL, what an idiotic thing to say. Since when did Arianna Huffington become a right winger? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-01-2012, 07:33 AM
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Aaron Belkin


GOP and New York Times Slam Obama Over Osama

Politics is a rough sport, but President Obama has taken unusually heavy flak for running a campaign ad that credits his role in the killing of Osama bin Laden, and for using statements by Mitt Romney to suggest that the former governor might not have exhibited similar leadership.

Perhaps it should come as no surprise that Senator John McCain accused the president of hypocrisy. But some of the harshest criticism has come from unexpected quarters. New York Times reporters Peter Baker and Michael Shear seemed to imply that the president has been inappropriately boastful. "Few presidents have talked about the killing of an individual enemy in such an expansive way," according to Baker and Shear, who added that Obama has taken the "unusual route of bragging about how he killed a man." Arianna Huffington, typically an Obama supporter, said that the bin Laden ad is "despicable."

I'm disinclined to celebrate bin Laden's or anyone else's death. But the broader context is that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Republicans have been criticizing Democrats for being weak on foreign policy for two generations, even when such criticisms were unwarranted.</span> As Slate's William Saletan reminds us, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the Bush administration and its surrogates, including Senator McCain, were shameless in their use of war rhetoric to depict John Kerry and other Democrats as wimps.</span> (Disclaimer: Saletan is a personal friend). So it seems inappropriate to blame the president for inoculating himself against such accusations.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>While it is true that President Obama cites a military success to score a point, compare his approach to the Bush administration's use of boasting to reframe failure as success. In one notable instance, Bush cynically used the word "victory" 15 times in a single speech to try to fool the public into believing that the war in Iraq could be won. When President Obama heralds a foreign policy success, he's not trying to pull the wool over our eyes.</span>I'm not claiming that President Obama ignores the domestic political implications of his foreign policy agenda. No president could be expected to do so. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>But when he pursues a foreign policy initiative, it's generally and reasonably connected to the promotion of the national interest. By contrast, the previous administration seemed willing to pursue foreign policies to achieve parochial political ends, even when doing so undermined U.S. security. Hoping to justify the decision to launch the Iraq war, for example, Bush authorized torture to try to compel detainees to acknowledge a link between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks.</span>When it comes to bragging about killing U.S. enemies, President Bush and his surrogates arguably went beyond the current administration in terms of both the frequency and tone of their rhetoric. With the exception of his 2007 State of the Union speech, Bush bragged about killing U.S. enemies in every SOTU address between 2002 and 2008. In his 2004 State of the Union address, for example, he said that "We're tracking Al Qaeda around the world, and nearly two-thirds of their <span style='font-size: 20pt'>known leaders have now been captured or killed." He added that "of the top 55 officials of the former [Iraqi] regime, we have captured or killed 45." So, Bush's boastfulness about killing was not infrequent.</span>On some occasions, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Bush used an unfortunate tone to brag about killing. In his 2003 State of the Union address, he said that, "To date we have arrested or otherwise dealt with many key commanders of Al Qaeda... All told, more than 3,000 suspected terrorists have been arrested in many countries... And many others have met a different fate. Let's put it this way: They are no longer a problem to the United States and our friends and allies." I have never heard President Obama speak about the death of an enemy in such a chesty way.</span>Senior Republican operatives such as former U.N. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Ambassador John Bolton have even gone so far as to brag that the killing of bin Laden was the result of policies that the Bush administration put into place. If the Republicans can take credit for the bin Laden operation, why should President Obama be panned for doing so?</span>All Americans would benefit if political leaders in both parties set aside bravado, and insisted on a thoughtful, understated foreign policy conversation. That said, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>the recent criticism of President Obama seems impervious to a political climate that he did not create, and to the GOP's track record not just of bombast, or even of bluster for political point-scoring, but of bragging to divert the public's attention away from failure and to re-code failure as success ("Mission Accomplished!") </span>
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>If there is anything "unusual" about President Obama's record, it is that he finished the job.</span>
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-belkin/gop-and-new-york-times-sl_b_1463389.html

Sev
05-01-2012, 07:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMMFAO! He accomplished what he said he would do. I didn't know that in order for it to count he would have had to fly the helicopter solo into Abottabad and personally kill Bin Laden! Jeez you guys are a hoot!

If Bush had done it you would have had a collective orgasm and you would have never stopped talking about it. But hey, since it was Obama who got the job done..well you just can't give him any credit now can you?

Dude, take some Ex-Lax, I think you're full of you know what! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

For all of Bush's flaws the one thing he would not have done was taken credit for himself.
He would have given the credit to all those that made the moment possible.

LWW
05-01-2012, 08:01 AM
It's time to put the cabal on suicide watch again.

Sev
05-01-2012, 08:22 AM
Its only a matter of time before the bannings begin.

Gayle in MD
05-01-2012, 02:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, why should Obama back away from having accomplished one of his greatest campaign promises?
</div></div>Why is it you cannot even comprehend the subject when it is a lefty delivering it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW, why do you right wingers hate America and support terrorism?</div></div>LOL, what an idiotic thing to say. Since when did Arianna Huffington become a right winger? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

He wasn't talking about Arianna.

Additionally, ever since this President GOT bin Laden, the Republicans have tried to take the credit, for what HIS policies, achieved. ONLY the Commander and Chief, sets the policy, and makes the call. And, in fact, romney made an absurd statement about Cart, "Even Jimmy Carter would have made that call." Another of Romney's Palin like, out of touch, idiotic statements.

Jimmy Carter DID make an equally gutsey call, which didn't turn out well, and he paid the price for it, as well.

Did Bush pay the price for anything he screwed up?

No, Republicans just lied and twisted all of it, changed the mission, over and over, and the RW press, just fell right in line with the program.

They (Republicans) started it, and this president has every right to set the record straight.

Mitsey Romney has been out there trashing the President for months, so the president is simply pointing out that Mitsey, himself, said he would not make it his top priority, to get bin Laden. Words to that affect. Now, Mitsey is trying to flip that one.

Mitsey has got a boatload of statements to have to suffer through, now. Are you going to catch it every time he flip flops?

He has flipped flopped so much today, he should be wearing a motorcycle helmet to protect his little brain, and an athletic cup to protect his little.....

OUTRIGHT REVERSAL OF HIS FORMERR STATEMENTS ALL DAY LONG!

People in NY, were screaming at him throughout his address up there today.

The man is totally deceitful and completely out of touch with reality. Another State Of Denial! IOW, BUSH ON CRACK!

G.

Soflasnapper
05-01-2012, 04:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMMFAO! He accomplished what he said he would do. I didn't know that in order for it to count he would have had to fly the helicopter solo into Abottabad and personally kill Bin Laden! Jeez you guys are a hoot!

If Bush had done it you would have had a collective orgasm and you would have never stopped talking about it. But hey, since it was Obama who got the job done..well you just can't give him any credit now can you?

Dude, take some Ex-Lax, I think you're full of you know what! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

For all of Bush's flaws the one thing he would not have done was taken credit for himself.
He would have given the credit to all those that made the moment possible.

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He surely allowed the bodies of the Saddam sons to be displayed as a victory lap.

I'll look back at what he said at that time.

Gayle in MD
05-02-2012, 04:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all of Bush's flaws the one thing he would not have done was taken credit for himself.
He would have given the credit to all those that made the moment possible. </div></div>

LOL, You have got to be kidding me!

He used fake intelligence and lied us into a war! Then played the hero for eight years! No president in history has ever used war to glorify himself, like George Bush used it! High alerts on his little color scale, everytime he got himself in trouble, and Cheney out there during the 2004 campaign, yapping about how we'd be attacked if Bush wasn't re-elected! Now they're saying, oh, any president would have done what President Obama did, well, ah hem, Bush didn't do it when the chance was right in front of him.

Everyone who helped him lie, got the Medal, big White House ceremonies, medals flying for all the liars.

Kicked off his second campaign in NY, still yapping abougt bin Laden, when he had already let the trail dry up, and used the attack to keep people in fear relentlessly!

The Bravado was deafening for eight years, and they never stopped it to this day! All of it total bull! Trying for credit where none is due.

The Republicans can't stand the idea that after the dramatic bull horn momnet, standing on the rubble, Bush forgot bin Laden, and went to Iraq, for no justifiable reason. But Americans were smart enough to see the billions upon billions going to halliburton, and The Carlyle Group! The Bush's, Cheney's, AND the bin Ladens, all making money off their war of choice.

No WMD. No connection to 9/11. Lie after lie after lie. And our country gained nothing of value from eight years in Iraq, the entire fiasco was against our best interests, and he used it politically until the neither country, ours or Iraq, could stand the sight of him or Dick Cheney! He was ducking flying shoes in press conferences.

President Obama has been exactly right all along about addressing our greatest threat. Afghanistan is, and always was, the correct region to focus our attention. Stabilizing that region as best we can, rather than running out on the Afgahns, like the Republicans did, after "Charlie Wilson's War" leaving it all to simmer at will, would be the worst thing we could do.

Bush used non stop rhetoric about al Qaeda, while within weeks, some say days, of the 9/11 attack, his eyes were on Saddam, Iraq, just as the Neocons wanted, and trying to cover up his total failure as the leader of this country to address a coming stated threat, a real and present danger. AND THEN trying to block investigations into how the hell something like that could happen to our country, AFTER we had specific warnings, for months in advance.

Kind of hard for him to stand up there in front of the cameras yapping about getting bin Ladenn, when his family has been in business with BL's family for decades!

What if that was true of President Obama? OMG! I can just imagine what the right would be throwing out there on that one!

The whole country celebrated when President Obama got bin Laden. His policy, his decision, his win, and a huge win for every American, and especially for our soldiers, but we have to forget all about it, because the right, doesn't like to be reminded that George Bush, and his Republican cabinet, couldn't get the man who was this country's number one enemy! They didn't care! It was off their schedule.

What a crock of Bull!

G.

LWW
05-02-2012, 05:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its only a matter of time before the bannings begin. </div></div>

TICK TICK TICK TICK

eg8r
05-02-2012, 09:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He wasn't talking about Arianna.
</div></div>This was already covered...he struggles to understand the subject.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-02-2012, 09:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He wasn't talking about Arianna.
</div></div>This was already covered...he struggles to understand the subject.

eg8r </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Quote:


LOL, why should Obama back away from having accomplished one of his greatest campaign promises?



EG:
Why is it you cannot even comprehend the subject when it is a lefty delivering it?


Quote:BTW, why do you right wingers hate America and support terrorism?


EG:
LOL, what an idiotic thing to say. Since when did Arianna Huffington become a right winger?

eg8r

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No, you didn't understand it, obviously. He was not talking about Arianna.

G.

eg8r
05-02-2012, 09:50 AM
There you go, I mentioned he struggled to comprehend the subject and you quoted me doing so. Thanks. He struggled to understand the post in its entirety.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
05-02-2012, 11:13 AM
Arianna Huffington is a wannabe Svengali or Rasputin.

Obama ripped her but good in his WHCA dinner remarks, which see if you haven't.

She's returning the favor.

Whatever despicability she may actually find in Obama's ad, particularly as it is based on supposedly truncated quoting (which does occur, but arguably without a difference), was present in spades in multiple Romney ads and remarks, of which I have not heard her condemnations at any level, let alone calling them despicable.

A minor player, with a huge self regard, gets a measure of revenge from the president's hurtful, although accurate, dissing of her org's Pulitzer Prize. That's the story here.

eg8r
05-02-2012, 11:31 AM
LOL, two dems in a pissing match. Quite fun to watch.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-02-2012, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arianna Huffington is a wannabe Svengali or Rasputin.

Obama ripped her but good in his WHCA dinner remarks, which see if you haven't.

She's returning the favor.

Whatever despicability she may actually find in Obama's ad, particularly as it is based on supposedly truncated quoting (which does occur, but arguably without a difference), was present in spades in multiple Romney ads and remarks, of which I have not heard her condemnations at any level, let alone calling them despicable.

A minor player, with a huge self regard, gets a measure of revenge from the president's hurtful, although accurate, dissing of her org's Pulitzer Prize. That's the story here. </div></div>


Spot on, my friend!

G. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Soflasnapper
05-02-2012, 01:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, two dems in a pissing match. Quite fun to watch.

eg8r </div></div>

Arianna is not a Democrat. She is a (former? multiple) cult member, seeking personal power. She started with her gay husband, trying to ramp his career up to the presidential level by moving from the House to the Senate. This is only her latest incarnation or avatar, so to speak.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Huffington was a member of the Rajneesh movement in the early 80s along with her then-partner Bernard Levin.[32] Later they both joined the MSIA movement.[32]</div></div>

The MSIA movement is headed up by this guy:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the early 1960s [John Delano] Hinkins took a correspondence course with the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis and occasionally attended the Agasha Temple of Wisdom. Eckankar asserts that Hinkins also joined their group in 1967 and was given a second initiation by its founder Paul Twitchell in 1968 but this is disputed.[5]

In late 1963 Hinkins underwent a kidney stone surgery, which led to a nine-day coma and reputed near-death experience. Shortly after this, Hinkins visited two trance-channelers and claimed to have encountered a higher consciousness named 'John within himself', and began referring to himself as John-Roger.[6]

In 1971 Hinkins formally organized MSIA, a new religious movement based in California, United States.[6] </div></div>

As a cult initiate, Arianna knows she must keep her true character and agenda hidden from all but those in the know.

I've studied the Rosicrucian and Eckankar theories some back in the day (and seeing Paul Twitchell's name mentioned here was a blast from the past), and these are more than a little fringe. A more orthodox Christian than I am might condemn them as clearly pagan and/or Satanic.

eg8r
05-02-2012, 03:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Arianna is not a Democrat.</div></div>LOL, your version of calling a non Rep a RINO. LOL, seems you are picking up speed.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
05-02-2012, 04:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That Huffington was once a conservative before metamorphosing into the liberal web proprietor we know today is no secret; she had lent prior support for Newt Gingrich and professed belief in small government. Here’s how a Salon column from 2003 described her evolution:

Of course, Huffington’s current political incarnation — anti-SUV polemicist, diarist of corporate greed — is an unlikely development for a woman who came to American political prominence as the wife of oil magnate Michael Huffington… She was widely viewed as the brains behind [his] campaign, and when it failed, she went on to work with House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Then she began a slow, surprising evolution leftward — talking up the rumors of Warren Beatty’s presidential run, championing the candidacy of Republican insurgent John McCain, hosting the distinctly activist Shadow Conventions during the boring Democratic and Republican presidential-nominating gatherings in 2000, and finally, organizing the Detroit Project, which raised money and produced the controversial anti-SUV ads.

As the proprietor of the Huffington Post and author of several political tomes, it is difficult to recall her as anything but what she is today, but for those who saw her rise as a right-wing talking head, her current reinvention is difficult to reconcile. Take, for instance, an interview she did with Judge Andrew Napolitano on Freedom Watch, where the libertarian host asked point blank of her new position, “How can anyone take you seriously?”

</div></div>

An opportunistic grifter, taking whichever party offers her a better chance of advancing.

hondo
05-02-2012, 04:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, two dems in a pissing match. Quite fun to watch.

eg8r </div></div>

Arianna is not a Democrat. She is a (former? multiple) cult member, seeking personal power. She started with her gay husband, trying to ramp his career up to the presidential level by moving from the House to the Senate. This is only her latest incarnation or avatar, so to speak.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Huffington was a member of the Rajneesh movement in the early 80s along with her then-partner Bernard Levin.[32] Later they both joined the MSIA movement.[32]</div></div>

The MSIA movement is headed up by this guy:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the early 1960s [John Delano] Hinkins took a correspondence course with the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis and occasionally attended the Agasha Temple of Wisdom. Eckankar asserts that Hinkins also joined their group in 1967 and was given a second initiation by its founder Paul Twitchell in 1968 but this is disputed.[5]

In late 1963 Hinkins underwent a kidney stone surgery, which led to a nine-day coma and reputed near-death experience. Shortly after this, Hinkins visited two trance-channelers and claimed to have encountered a higher consciousness named 'John within himself', and began referring to himself as John-Roger.[6]

In 1971 Hinkins formally organized MSIA, a new religious movement based in California, United States.[6] </div></div>

As a cult initiate, Arianna knows she must keep her true character and agenda hidden from all but those in the know.

I've studied the Rosicrucian and Eckankar theories some back in the day (and seeing Paul Twitchell's name mentioned here was a blast from the past), and these are more than a little fringe. A more orthodox Christian than I am might condemn them as clearly pagan and/or Satanic. </div></div>

One of my best friends and his wife are Eckists. They joined about the time that Darwin Gross was Living Eck Master before they threw him out.
I used to regularly attend Eck meetings till they decided I was a shit stirrer and threw me out too. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Sev
05-02-2012, 04:45 PM
Hondo a cult member? Words fail me. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, two dems in a pissing match. Quite fun to watch.

eg8r </div></div>

Arianna is not a Democrat. She is a (former? multiple) cult member, seeking personal power. She started with her gay husband, trying to ramp his career up to the presidential level by moving from the House to the Senate. This is only her latest incarnation or avatar, so to speak.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Huffington was a member of the Rajneesh movement in the early 80s along with her then-partner Bernard Levin.[32] Later they both joined the MSIA movement.[32]</div></div>

The MSIA movement is headed up by this guy:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the early 1960s [John Delano] Hinkins took a correspondence course with the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis and occasionally attended the Agasha Temple of Wisdom. Eckankar asserts that Hinkins also joined their group in 1967 and was given a second initiation by its founder Paul Twitchell in 1968 but this is disputed.[5]

In late 1963 Hinkins underwent a kidney stone surgery, which led to a nine-day coma and reputed near-death experience. Shortly after this, Hinkins visited two trance-channelers and claimed to have encountered a higher consciousness named 'John within himself', and began referring to himself as John-Roger.[6]

In 1971 Hinkins formally organized MSIA, a new religious movement based in California, United States.[6] </div></div>

As a cult initiate, Arianna knows she must keep her true character and agenda hidden from all but those in the know.

I've studied the Rosicrucian and Eckankar theories some back in the day (and seeing Paul Twitchell's name mentioned here was a blast from the past), and these are more than a little fringe. A more orthodox Christian than I am might condemn them as clearly pagan and/or Satanic. </div></div>

One of my best friends and his wife are Eckists. They joined about the time that Darwin Gross was Living Eck Master before they threw him out.
I used to regularly attend Eck meetings till they decided I was a shit stirrer and threw me out too. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Soflasnapper
05-07-2012, 05:48 PM
Youthful experimentation, I'm sure!

hondo
05-07-2012, 06:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Youthful experimentation, I'm sure!

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Twitchell mixed Theosophy, gnosticism,Yogananda,Casteneda, and Ouspensky all together and dreamed up Eckankar.
He got HU. from the gnostic IU. He created Rebazar Tarz from Yogananda's Babaji.
I decided it was bullshit when they shitcanned The Living Eck Master Darwin Gross. I have a sneaking suspicion that Gross was banging Twitchell's wife and poisoned him to get rid of him.

The funny thing is that stuff worked for me.I got out of body. Met Tarz/ Babaji.Controlled my dreams. HU, baby, Hu.

hondo
05-07-2012, 06:53 PM
Honey, my belief structure combines Jesus, Paul, Carlos Castaneda, Krishanamurti, Yogananda, and P.D. Ouspensky.
I know you're a non-practicing Jew but might I recommend Martin Buber's I and Thou. It is a wonderful book and Buber is by far my favorite Jewish theologian.
Who knows, Sev, if you read I and Thou you may get over talking about killing people all the time. And come to realize that there's more to living than stirring up shit and trying to agitate fellow souls from God.