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Sev
04-30-2012, 06:16 PM
Considering who his associates are its more probable thats its just showing of his true colors.
Taking advantage of our schools systems concentration on indoctrination rather than to teach history no doubt.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism</span>
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/insi...xism-socialism/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/apr/30/new-obama-slogan-has-long-ties-marxism-socialism/)

The Obama campaign apparently didn't look backwards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, "Forward" a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism.

Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name "Forward!" or its foreign cognates. Wikipedia has an entire section called "Forward (generic name of socialist publications)."

"The name Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing newspapers and publications," the online encyclopedia explains.

The slogan "Forward!" reflected the conviction of European Marxists and radicals that their movements reflected the march of history, which would move forward past capitalism and into socialism and communism.

The Obama campaign released its new campaign slogan Monday in a 7-minute video. The title card has simply the word "Forward" with the "O" having the familiar Obama logo from 2008. It will be played at rallies this weekend that mark the Obama re-election campaign's official beginning.

There have been at least two radical-left publications named "Vorwaerts" (the German word for "Forward"). One was the daily newspaper of the Social Democratic Party of Germany whose writers included Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky. It still publishes as the organ of Germany's SDP, though that party has changed considerably since World War II. Another was the 1844 biweekly reader of the Communist League. Karl Marx, Engels and Mikhail Bakunin are among the names associated with that publication.

East Germany named its Army soccer club ASK Vorwaerts Berlin (later FC Vorwaerts Frankfort).

Vladimir Lenin founded the publication "Vpered" (the Russian word for "forward") in 1905. Soviet propaganda film-maker Dziga Vertov made a documentary whose title is sometimes translated as "Forward, Soviet" (though also and more literally as "Stride, Soviet").

Conservative critics of the Obama administration have noted numerous ties to radicalism and socialists throughout Mr. Obama's history, from his first political campaign being launched from the living room of two former Weather Underground members, to appointing as green jobs czar Van Jones, a self-described communist.

Sev
05-01-2012, 08:31 AM
The sound of crickets. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

LWW
05-01-2012, 09:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The sound of crickets. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

They are still in denial that his 2008 campaign posters wer remakes from the Lenin/Stalin era.

Soflasnapper
05-01-2012, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There have been at least two radical-left publications named "Vorwaerts" (the German word for "Forward"). One was the daily newspaper of the Social Democratic Party of Germany whose writers included Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky. It still publishes as the organ of Germany's SDP, though that party has changed considerably since World War II. Another was the 1844 biweekly reader of the Communist League. Karl Marx, Engels and Mikhail Bakunin are among the names associated with that publication. </div></div>

That dates to the founders of Marxism's day, when they were writing? That's a very long time ago now. But the Fox viewers don't need to be reminded, as they are the only ones alive now that can remember it.

Of course, ymmv, but since it's all so long ago, and more importantly, they never used the word in English, this is a remote connection that I do not believe will strike anyone as telling (except the Fox Nation, and the Anyone But Obama (already) crowd).

What's next? When O gets a 'victory' fund, they'll tell us all the bad people who used 'victory' as a slogan? Highly communist, that word also. Maybe O will talk about 'struggle'? Oh boy!

Sev
05-01-2012, 09:49 AM
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/342/3/9/obamunism_by_rwpike-d34hw09.jpg

Soflasnapper
05-01-2012, 10:02 AM
That works when you're preaching to the choir. It works the opposite way, as in, doesn't work, if you're trying to change minds that are changeable.

Just hurting yourself. Please carry on!

eg8r
05-01-2012, 11:46 AM
LOL, haven't seen you make a response like this when your own team is posting images.


eg8r

Sev
05-01-2012, 11:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That works when you're preaching to the choir. It works the opposite way, as in, doesn't work, if you're trying to change minds that are changeable.

Just hurting yourself. Please carry on! </div></div>

Your assuming my intent is to change hearts and mind.

Soflasnapper
05-01-2012, 01:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, haven't seen you make a response like this when your own team is posting images.
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I previously asked that an offensive (to me) image be taken down from the board. It was, and I thanked the man (DV) who had posted it originally. Had to do with a comparison of Callista Gingrich to Jack Nicholson's Joker character, and I thought we ought to avoid abusing the spouses, as to our side, partially because it was offensive and off-putting to persuasion, but more, just because I think it's wrong.