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Qtec
05-03-2012, 05:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Young Turks' Cenk Uygur takes apart the 60 Minutes interview with former CIA torture architect Jose Rodriguez which we posted on earlier here Whitewashing Torture, Redux.

I'm quite sure that Rodriguez would never come on the air with someone like Cenk, who unlike Leslie Stahl during her softball interview with this man, who was openly admitting to torture and war crimes on the air, actually articulated the amount of disgust that Rodriguez deserves.

And Cenk's exactly right. This is what happens when you don't prosecute people for their crimes. They end up on television giving interviews trying to sell books instead of landing in a jail cell where they belong. And allowing this to go unpunished means that it will happen again. Sadly, our history in recent decades has proven him right about that already. </div></div>

Its clear that Rodriguez is lying.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CIA destroyed tapes despite court order </div></div>

WASHINGTON Federal courts had prohibited the Bush administration from discarding evidence of detainee torture and abuse months before the CIA destroyed videotapes that revealed some of its harshest interrogation tactics. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-12-12-1103569766_x.htm)

watch it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX0MPcN08Zc)

Q

Qtec
05-03-2012, 05:58 AM
The whole thing. link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--GCkdWlHdk&feature=related)
Q

LWW
05-03-2012, 06:05 AM
What crimes did he commit ... other than being an enemy of the state?

Qtec
05-03-2012, 06:07 AM
Torture is illegal under International law.

Q

LWW
05-03-2012, 06:28 AM
So you agree Obama is a war criminal?

Soflasnapper
05-04-2012, 11:13 AM
Obama stopped torture by executive order very early on in his administration. So no, he is not, as to torture.

Might be, as to the preventative war kinds of disproportional drone strikes, but then, so too would be most American presidents on that measure of far too readily alibied 'collateral damage.'

Gayle in MD
05-04-2012, 11:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Young Turks' Cenk Uygur takes apart the 60 Minutes interview with former CIA torture architect Jose Rodriguez which we posted on earlier here Whitewashing Torture, Redux.

I'm quite sure that Rodriguez would never come on the air with someone like Cenk, who unlike Leslie Stahl during her softball interview with this man, who was openly admitting to torture and war crimes on the air, actually articulated the amount of disgust that Rodriguez deserves.

And Cenk's exactly right. This is what happens when you don't prosecute people for their crimes. They end up on television giving interviews trying to sell books instead of landing in a jail cell where they belong. And allowing this to go unpunished means that it will happen again. Sadly, our history in recent decades has proven him right about that already. </div></div>

Its clear that Rodriguez is lying.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CIA destroyed tapes despite court order </div></div>

WASHINGTON Federal courts had prohibited the Bush administration from discarding evidence of detainee torture and abuse months before the CIA destroyed videotapes that revealed some of its harshest interrogation tactics. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-12-12-1103569766_x.htm)

watch it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX0MPcN08Zc)

Q





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He is nothing but a LIAR! Another Neocon pawn for Bush, whose statements have been proven wrong, by many others who have far more credibility, and knowledge all around this issue, than he does.

G.

LWW
05-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Then why are the same groups ... other than Obamatrons ... that accused Bush now accusing Obama?

Second ... please link me to the EO where he did this.

Soflasnapper
05-04-2012, 06:01 PM
13491, here. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations)

To be fair, it was signed on January 22, 2009, so it wasn't exactly immediate, occurring some 2 days after his inauguration.

I'm a contributing member to Amnesty Intl, Human Rights Watch, and many other good government charities. I have not seen their materials stating Obama's regime is conducting torture, nor calling these kinds of brutality, torture. To be fair, I often simply take out the donation form and the return envelope and don't always read all their material.

Plenty to oppose in his policies, like the drone strikes as I already mentioned, but actively engaging in torture isn't one of the charges I've seen.

They dislike and vocally oppose the indefinite detention policy, the lack of habeas corpus rights, which they consider profound violations of human rights. But it isn't torture.

LWW
05-04-2012, 07:05 PM
Thanks, I wanted you to find it for reasons that will become apparent.

Next I would you to read it.

If you had you would know the following:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(b)* Interrogation Techniques and Interrogation-Related Treatment.* Effective immediately, an individual in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government, or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States, in any armed conflict, shall not be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach, or any treatment related to interrogation, that is not authorized by and listed in Army Field Manual 2 22.3 (Manual).* Interrogation techniques, approaches, and treatments described in the Manual shall be implemented strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations the Manual prescribes.* Where processes required by the Manual, such as a requirement of approval by specified Department of Defense officials, are inapposite to a department or an agency other than the Department of Defense, such a department or agency shall use processes that are substantially equivalent to the processes the Manual prescribes for the Department of Defense.* Nothing in this section shall preclude the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or other Federal law enforcement agencies, from continuing to use authorized, non-coercive techniques of interrogation that are designed to elicit voluntary statements and do not involve the use of force, threats, or promises. </div></div>

And according to the same people who were accepted as infallible when they were going after Bush:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Appendix M of the Army Field Manual - a new section introduced in 2006, applicable only to "unlawful combatants," the category applied to detainees in Guantanamo, at secret CIA prisons, and elsewhere - allows the use of techniques such as prolonged isolation, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, and inducing fear and humiliation of prisoners. These techniques, especially when used in combination as permitted by the AFM, constitute cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, and in some cases, torture. These techniques have caused documented, long-lasting psychological and physical harm and were condemned by a bipartisan congressional report released last month, as well as by the Bush-appointed head of the military commissions at Guantanamo.</div></div>

So what has happened is Obama signed an EO that didn't really change anything ... but knew that if he claimed that it did his acolytes would slavishly nod their heads in ollectivist unison an never even consider questioning the words of their god king.

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