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05-03-2012, 07:30 AM
Hillary ignores Chinese dissident.

This should prove to be entertaining. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Activist Chen Guangcheng: Let Me Leave China on Hillary Clinton’s Plane</span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>May 2, 2012 10:10 PM EDT
In an exclusive interview with The Daily Beast’s Melinda Liu, blind dissident Chen Guangcheng says he’s been abandoned by American officials at a Chinese hospital and begs to leave the country on Hillary Clinton’s plane.

I’ve known Chen Guangcheng for more than a decade—he’s been through intimidation, beatings, jail, and extralegal house arrest—but through it all I never sensed he was scared. Now he’s scared. Chen, whose case has escalated into a bilateral crisis that threatens to dominate Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s visit to Beijing this week, was weeping as he talked to me over the phone from his hospital bed.

Chen says he now wants to leave China as soon as possible: “My fervent hope is that it would be possible for me and my family to leave for the U.S. on Hillary Clinton’s plane.”

When U.S. officials escorted him out of the U.S. embassy shortly after 3 p.m. Wednesday, Chen thought he’d extracted a promise that at least one of them would stay with him at the hospital, he said. “Many Americans were with me while I checked into the hospital and doctors examined me. Lots of them,” he told me from his hospital bed, where he’s being treated for broken bones in one foot, an injury sustained when he fell after climbing a wall during his daring escape from house arrest late last month. “But when I was brought to the hospital room, they all left. I don’t know where they went.” The ordeal was all the more bewildering because Chen is blind and was hurt during his escape; he needs crutches or a wheelchair to move around.

The hours ticked by, and Chen became more and more agitated. Even though he’d originally told friends and embassy officials that he wished to remain in China, now he wanted to leave. “I hope to seek medical treatment in the U.S. with my family, and then I want to rest,” he said. “As for the future, we’ll deal with that in the future.” At the hospital, Chen’s fears mounted as his wife told him she’d been tied to a chair, beaten, and interrogated by Chinese guards after they learned he had entered the U.S. embassy in Beijing last Friday.
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Chen Guangcheng with U.S. officials on Wednesday, before leaving the U.S. embassy for a hospital in Beijing, US Embassy Beijing Press Office / AP Photos

As dinnertime came and went, he and his wife and two young children, who had traveled to Beijing, had nothing to eat. Their 6-year-old daughter began crying from the hunger pangs. “I kept asking the hospital personnel for some food, but it never came. I asked many times.” Finally, around 9 p.m., some food was sent in after friends contacted American officials for help. But Chen says his numerous attempts to reach the U.S. embassy directly during those dark hours failed: “I tried to phone the embassy three or four times last night, but nobody answered.” As of Thursday at 8:30 a.m. Beijing time, he said he has had no contact with American officials since after he entered his hospital room.

<span style="color: #990000"><span style='font-size: 23pt'> “I need your help, I’m absolutely, absolutely ready to fly out on Hillary Clinton’s plane. Please tell the embassy what I’m saying.”
At the embassy, Chen said he came under tremendous pressure from American officials—“not those from the embassy but others “—to leave the diplomatic facility as quickly as possible. From the very beginning, he said, the assumption was that he would stay in China. “I had no information, I got no phone calls from friends, I was isolated,” he told me, his voice trembling. “Then I heard about the threat that my wife would be sent back home to Shandong if I didn’t leave the embassy. So I left.”

He told me there was no explicit threat that she would be submitted to physical violence, “but nobody had to say it, I know what we’ve experienced all these years back in Shandong. Our home was surrounded by guards, lots of guards. Our friends weren’t allowed to visit. If we tried to go out we’d be beaten, often with clubs.” Security personnel had even escorted his young daughter to and from school; Chen and his wife hadn’t seen their son for two years before their reunion at the hospital.

Human-rights activists are now extremely worried about Chen’s fate, and some are astonished at this startling—and dark—turn of events. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had described Chen's departure as reflecting "his choices and our values"; State Department officials said Chen was asked several times if he was departing of his own volition and his reply was "Zou!" or "Let's go!" U.S. officials also said they had reached an understanding with Chinese authorities that Chen would be allowed to pursue his education in a location away from his home province of Shandong, to follow up on his work as a self-taught "barefoot lawyer".

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05-03-2012, 03:31 PM
I cannot recall any prior example of a dissident in a country getting out of the country by seeking refugee status at an embassy in the country, and then simply being allowed out by the country, because they are walking hand-in-hand with US officials.

There are dissidents all around the world. Usually, they seek refugee status once out of their oppressive home country, and while in the jurisdiction of the refuge country. (Thinking of the Cuban athletes and Soviet athletes.)

So I'm not sure what you suggest here. Should he be put into a duffel bag and then be smuggled out as part of a diplomatically immunized package? Or do you think she could indeed just walk out with him in plain view? (I doubt that very much.)

Has there been some example of this I don't recall or never knew about? Or do you mean he should be granted asylum at the US Beijing embassy, essentially forever?

05-04-2012, 08:27 AM
I am suggesting they dropped the ball and its now a international incident.

Gayle in MD
05-04-2012, 08:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am suggesting they dropped the ball and its now a international incident. </div></div>

How can you say that when it isn't even settled yet?

And Romney? If there is anyone who should be ashamed for running his mouth, while foreign negotiations are on-going, it's that big mouth POS!

I hope he keeps on yapping, the more he does, the more people can't stand the sight of him.

Seems to me, we have seen these situations handled quite well by this administration in the past.

Former President Bill Clinton, sent by thhe president, and showing up and successfully taking political prisoners out of threatening situations, before?

I'm sure, the President, and the Secretary of State, will do what is right, as they always do. They have been probably the BEST foreign affairs administration, in history. From getting bin Laden, and a treasure trove of al Qaeda information, which led to the killing fracturing of the al Qaeda organization, to getting the pirates, without any American bloodshed, to removing young women out of rogue countries.

This, too, will be successful, if that is at all possible, given the inhumane cut throats we are having to deal with.

Dropped the ball? Were you in on all of the negotiations?

The guy originally very strongly wanted to stay in China. Then he changed his mind at the eleventh hour.

Some gains are being made as this situation has unfolded. We are expediting a credentials to get hime out, to study here in the U.S., as we write.

These RW attacks, and false accusations, are just more desperate attempts by Romney, and the Repigs, to trash the President, and to twist the actual reality about this administration's excellent foreign policy record, IMO.

Doing so while negotiations are on-going, is about as shameful as it gets!