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DiabloViejo
05-09-2012, 01:12 AM
<span style="color: #FF6600">Paul Ryan can think of no other way to close our deficit than by taking programs from the poor. Taxing the 1%? Nope. Ending subsidies for big oil? Nada. Stop attacking countries that didn't attack us? Nyet. F***ing the peasants? Oh yeah, that's the one!!</span>

Paul Ryan Defends Cutting Food Stamps For The Poor: ‘You Have To Get Savings In Some Of These Areas’
By Scott Keyes on May 8, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Think Progress (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/08/478673/paul-ryan-food-stamps/?mobile=nc)

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JANESVILLE, Wisconsin — Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) defended his budget’s major cuts to food stamps outside a town hall on Friday, telling ThinkProgress that “we think you have to get savings in some of these areas where you’ve had a huge increase in spending.”

Food stamps were a hot topic at his town hall meetings that ThinkProgress attended last week. At nearly every stop, Ryan noted that one in six Americans currently live in poverty.

With the number of people in need increasing, the sensible takeaway is that we as a society need to ensure enough funding so those in poverty are getting enough to eat. But Ryan has a far different take. The rise in poverty levels, due in large part to the financial collapse and Great Recession, has instead led him to believe that programs designed to help those in need like food stamps are no longer working.

It is with this mindset that Ryan justified cutting food stamps by $134 billion in his proposed budget. The House Budget Chairman downplayed the significance of his budget’s cuts in an interview with ThinkProgress, dismissing his proposed 10 percentage point drop in funding as a necessary “fix.”

RYAN: We want to have people go from welfare back to work. That’s why we conjoined in our budget the job training programs, consolidate the 47 different job training programs spread across 9 different agencies to scholarships to go to people so they can get new training.

KEYES: But with something like food stamps isn’t that kind of a necessary thing, to eat in order to work?

RYAN: Right, so under the bill we’re moving right now through Congress, food stamps will have increased something like 260 percent over the last decade instead of 270 percent. You will still have seen a massive increase in food stamps, but we think you have to get savings in some of these areas where you’ve had a huge increase in spending. We have prisoners getting food stamps in Wisconsin. We have people that are becoming eligible for food stamps because of other factors that aren’t eligible food stamps in and of themselves. So we think we need to fix the fact that some of these programs have grown at such unsustainable rates.

KEYES: I think fraud was actually at a record low though in 2010.

RYAN: [Silence] Anybody else? All right, thanks everybody.

Watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIFahaGKiE&feature=player_embedded

Demand for food stamps has certainly increased in the past few years, but this is directly a result of the recession. Even at its height, funding for food stamps accounted for a whopping 0.52 percent of GDP in 2011, hardly an “unsustainable” amount as Ryan claims. As the economy continues to recover and fewer people need assistance, that level is projected to be cut nearly in half, all without Ryan’s draconian budget cuts.

Gayle in MD
05-09-2012, 01:54 AM
He's a vampire. He even looks like a Vampire. He's sucking the life out of all but the wealthy who are languishing in more money than they and their offspring could spend in five lifetimes.

Record Breaking Corporate Profits, and Republicans blocked keeping costs for college down, because they refused to consider adding a minute tax onto welfare for the wealthy.

Repubs are a bit worried about how much they have shown their dirty hand. I don't hear all sorts of MAAAHVELOUS praise for Ryan, lately. Not much Tea Party BS either.

Occupy has thrown a bit of a fly into their ointment.

G.

LWW
05-13-2012, 04:52 AM
Putting people back to work achieves this goal.

Please explain why you would oppose this?

Qtec
05-13-2012, 07:03 AM
You want people to work? Pay them a decent wage. Raise the minimum wage and make it profitable for them to take any job.

Q

llotter
05-13-2012, 07:09 AM
If you pantry is full and a hungry person comes knocking at your door asking for some food, should the decision be yours as to whether you offer him some of your food or should he have the right to take it by force?

LWW
05-13-2012, 07:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You want people to work? Pay them a decent wage. Raise the minimum wage and make it profitable for them to take any job.

Q </div></div>

What should the MW be?

Gayle in MD
05-13-2012, 07:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you pantry is full and a hungry person comes knocking at your door asking for some food, should the decision be yours as to whether you offer him some of your food or should he have the right to take it by force? </div></div>

If a murderer comes to your door and he wants you to give him some guns and ammo so he can go kill people on the other side of the world, do you have any problem handing him over what he needs to do so?

It is amazing how the right is all for spending money on defense, weapons, warring, but just try to give some food to the hungry chldren, and they go off!

What kind of country doesn't CARE for their hungry, the ill and the old? Is that really the kind of country you want for your children and grand children.

Our government has always had the right to use tax dollars for the common good.

Get over it already! You drive on roads and highways that your government built. You expect the government to come to your aid if a tornado sweeps through your neighborhood, and blows you house away.

Our Government is, after all, supposed to be FOR THE PEOPLE!

Not a government that is built around, THE PEOPLE CAN FEND FOR THEMSELVES, EVEN IN EMERGENCIES!

Hunger, danger, suffering and illness ARE emergencies.

Libertarians and Republicans always have a lot of pie in the sky ideas, but their ideas are never efficacious in practice.

G.

Qtec
05-13-2012, 07:37 AM
What does Jesus say?

Q

llotter
05-13-2012, 09:23 AM
Thou Shalt not steal.

Soflasnapper
05-13-2012, 11:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thou Shalt not steal. </div></div>

Actually, that's not one of the things he said. He said the second great commandment was to love others as you love yourself. Surely you'd feed yourself if hungry.

It's only theft if done without permission. That is not the situation with taxation with representation, by the social contract. Even if the argument is there ought not to be personal income tax, then there would still be taxation that you'd end up paying for, in terms of higher end user prices for imported goods' tariffs, or passed through taxes from corporate taxation.

If you really think taxation is theft, period, then good luck finding any society with social services that doesn't tax you. If you find one, you'll still probably be paying the indirect taxation, or perhaps doing without paved roads and with no utilities, fire department or police services.

llotter
05-13-2012, 12:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you pantry is full and a hungry person comes knocking at your door asking for some food, should the decision be yours as to whether you offer him some of your food or should he have the right to take it by force? </div></div>

If a murderer comes to your door and he wants you to give him some guns and ammo so he can go kill people on the other side of the world, do you have any problem handing him over what he needs to do so?

It is amazing how the right is all for spending money on defense, weapons, warring, but just try to give some food to the hungry chldren, and they go off!

What kind of country doesn't CARE for their hungry, the ill and the old? Is that really the kind of country you want for your children and grand children.

Our government has always had the right to use tax dollars for the common good.

Get over it already! You drive on roads and highways that your government built. You expect the government to come to your aid if a tornado sweeps through your neighborhood, and blows you house away.

Our Government is, after all, supposed to be FOR THE PEOPLE!

Not a government that is built around, THE PEOPLE CAN FEND FOR THEMSELVES, EVEN IN EMERGENCIES!

Hunger, danger, suffering and illness ARE emergencies.

Libertarians and Republicans always have a lot of pie in the sky ideas, but their ideas are never efficacious in practice.

G.

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This response is the best evidence I've seen in some time for repeal of the 19th Amendment.

LWW
05-13-2012, 01:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You want people to work? Pay them a decent wage. Raise the minimum wage and make it profitable for them to take any job.

Q </div></div>

What should the MW be?
</div></div>

Was the question too hard?

LWW
05-13-2012, 01:42 PM
When people claim republicans and libertarians are the same thing ... it is futile to attempt any further civil discourse.

Stretch
05-13-2012, 04:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When people claim republicans and libertarians are the same thing ... it is futile to attempt any further civil discourse. </div></div>

A Libertarian is a type of Conservative trying to appear like it is a third party, but most of them will vote Republican anyway. IE. a different colour of crap. St.

DiabloViejo
05-13-2012, 04:52 PM
LWW needs a vacation somewhere where libertarianism rules! Perhaps he'll love it there so much he'll stay for the rest of his pitiful life. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Regulation Vacation (http://youtu.be/7QDv4sYwjO0)

llotter
05-14-2012, 07:34 AM
Not all taxes are theft, just the robbing-Paul-to-pay-Peter/redistribution sort. That represents about 2/3 of the federal budget and growing. These are all destructive of a free and prosperous society.

eg8r
05-14-2012, 07:58 AM
Minimum wage is absolute garbage. You should be paid for the skill level required to do the work you are doing. A man should not be able to support his family with multiple kids while flipping burgers at McD's.

eg8r

eg8r
05-14-2012, 07:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, that's not one of the things he said. He said the second great commandment was to love others as you love yourself. Surely you'd feed yourself if hungry.

</div></div>So it sounds like you are siding with the group that thinks the individual should make the decision and not be forced. Welcome to the Republican party. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Qtec
05-14-2012, 07:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thou Shalt not steal. </div></div>

That was the Ten Commandments numb nuts.

Q

Qtec
05-14-2012, 07:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Minimum wage is absolute garbage. You should be paid for the skill level required to do the work you are doing. A man should not be able to support his family with multiple kids while flipping burgers at McD's.

eg8r </div></div>

Very Christian of you.


Meanwhile, you are on your trip at the tax payers expense.

Q

cushioncrawler
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
I aktually watched i think it woz Bloomberg Bizness on cable for a few minutes yesterday.
A guest-ekonomist woz part of a panel hosted by a krappynomicyst.
Funny -- the guest-ekonomist woz trying to explain that theusofa gov shood simply spend to get full employment (like China did some years back to the tune of 15% of China's GNC to get China's ekonomy going which it did very well thank u).
And the host-krappynomicyst kept saying things like 'what, print money' and 'where will we find the money' etc.
I know how the guest-ekonomist felt, surrounded by fools.
mac.

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 10:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When people claim republicans and libertarians are the same thing ... it is futile to attempt any further civil discourse. </div></div>

A Libertarian is a type of Conservative trying to appear like it is a third party, but most of them will vote Republican anyway. IE. a different colour of crap. St. </div></div>

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Precisely!

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 10:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you pantry is full and a hungry person comes knocking at your door asking for some food, should the decision be yours as to whether you offer him some of your food or should he have the right to take it by force? </div></div>

If a murderer comes to your door and he wants you to give him some guns and ammo so he can go kill people on the other side of the world, do you have any problem handing him over what he needs to do so?

It is amazing how the right is all for spending money on defense, weapons, warring, but just try to give some food to the hungry chldren, and they go off!

What kind of country doesn't CARE for their hungry, the ill and the old? Is that really the kind of country you want for your children and grand children.

Our government has always had the right to use tax dollars for the common good.

Get over it already! You drive on roads and highways that your government built. You expect the government to come to your aid if a tornado sweeps through your neighborhood, and blows you house away.

Our Government is, after all, supposed to be FOR THE PEOPLE!

Not a government that is built around, THE PEOPLE CAN FEND FOR THEMSELVES, EVEN IN EMERGENCIES!

Hunger, danger, suffering and illness ARE emergencies.

Libertarians and Republicans always have a lot of pie in the sky ideas, but their ideas are never efficacious in practice.

G.

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This response is the best evidence I've seen in some time for repeal of the 19th Amendment. </div></div>

Always knew you were a misogynist.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

llotter
05-15-2012, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thou Shalt not steal. </div></div>

That was the Ten Commandments numb nuts.

Q </div></div>

Did Jesus repeal that one?

Soflasnapper
05-16-2012, 12:25 PM
He edited them, cutting them back severely, summing up the entire law in two commandments only.

LWW
05-16-2012, 01:11 PM
Are you aware that you can read what will be posted before you hit "SUBMIT" ... or did you just not read it. Again.

If you had read it, you would realize that this supposed ut was only reducing the increase over a decade by 260% instead of 270%.

But ... they spoon fed you the lie you wanted to hear.

BTW ... Herr Goebbels was talking about people like ourself.

Soflasnapper
05-16-2012, 02:52 PM
It's the same thing with the Medicare scam Ryan is proposing.

"Hey, we STILL INCREASE the support voucher every year-- it goes up by CPI + 1%!!! See? UP!!! How can you possibly complain about INCREASING THE VOUCHER, or claim we've cut ANYTHING???"

The informed questioner: "As medical expenses are going up at 8% a year, the CPI + 1% formula you propose will shift over a trillion dollars in costs from the Medicare system directly to the elderly population that is substantially unable to work."

That something goes up does not mean it is adequate to the human need in question. Ryan has already shown himself a past master of this dodge.

LWW
05-16-2012, 03:30 PM
You are aware that the Ryan plan is quite generous compared to how Obamacare treats Medicare?

llotter
05-16-2012, 04:20 PM
Don't ya just hate it when politicians are 'generous' with your money?

Soflasnapper
05-16-2012, 05:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are aware that the Ryan plan is quite generous compared to how Obamacare treats Medicare? </div></div>

No, and I rather doubt that is true.

In what respect?

LWW
05-17-2012, 04:03 AM
Obamacare cuts Medicare immediately.

Anything else I can help you with?

Qtec
05-17-2012, 04:05 AM
No it doesn't. Anything else I can help you with?

Q

eg8r
05-17-2012, 10:23 AM
This has nothing to do with religion. Minimum wage is BS.

eg8r