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Soflasnapper
05-09-2012, 02:46 PM
I'm quoting the headline of this article, as written (see below). Despite the provocative wording, the article presents events of the recent week or so that are of grave importance to the world, and deserve attention. Certainly, they are getting close attention in Israel. Link, (http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/has-israel-s-leadership-come-down-with-mad-jew-disease-1.427302) although the entire article is below.

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Published 14:07 30.04.12
Latest update 14:07 30.04.12

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Has Israel’s leadership come down with mad-Jew disease?</span>
Why waste money on hasbara when our own experts tell the world that Israeli leaders are warmongering rejectionists?

By Chemi Shalev Tags: Shin Bet Benjamin Netanyahu. Ehud Barak Iran Likud IDF

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This is what’s been going down in the last few days alone:

1. The Prime Minister says that sanctions against Iran aren’t working and the Defense Minister claims that Iran is irrational and then the Prime Minister stipulates that the Iranians want to make a bomb and then the IDF Chief of Staff flatly contradicts them and says that Iran is rational, sanctions are working and the Iranians won’t really make a bomb after all. And the Prime Minister and the Defense Minister go on saying what they were saying before, as if nothing’s happened.

2. The next day, a former chief of the Shin Bet, who spent his life in what Israeli leftists like to call “the apparatus of darkness,” opens his mouth for the first time since retirement and sounds like a turbo-charged Peter Beinart: the Israeli leadership suffers from a messiah complex, they are morally unfit to govern, they can’t wage war and they sure as hell don’t want to make peace.

3. Less than 48 hours later, an up and rising Likud minister and a fabled former head of the Mossad nearly come to blows in front of hundreds of people in New York. The Mossadnik calls the minister a liar and compares a proposed Knesset law to Nazi legislation, while the minister accuses the man who until recently was hailed as a cross between Indiana Jones, George Smiley and Bar Kochba as “harming the state security,” a crime punishable by law. “How did he ever get such a high position?” asks the minister of the man who was an IDF general before serving for eight years as head of the Mossad, where he was widely considered to be one of the best ever.

Even for cynical Israelis who think they’ve seen it all, this is crazy talk. Even for people who like to boast of the rough and tumble atmosphere of political discourse in Israel, this is way over the top. Even for those who are devout see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil Israel-lovers on most days of the year, there are enough grounds now to suspect that something is rotten, or at least seriously unhinged, in the State of Israel.

Look at it from the point of view of hasbara, just as an example: Israel spends tons of millions of dollars setting up government ministries and NGOs, conducting in depth polls and focus groups, enlisting Jewish organizations worldwide and employing the best public relations that money can buy, while Diaspora Jews spend sleepless nights agonizing over yesterday’s editorial in the Duluth Daily that could be construed as implying that the Palestinians may also have a point and then get up in the middle of the night to write a letter to their Congressman complaining of delegitimization.

And what do the three outgoing heads of the revered security services, hitherto the most widely-respected experts on these matters in the international arena, have to say about all this? That Israel is being run by a couple of morally-lapsed loony-tune leaders who hear voices in their heads while laughing themselves silly mouthing the words “two-state solution” and who pore over the maps of bombing runs over Iran while quoting General “Buck” Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove to each other: “I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.”

And many Israelis immediately undergo a miraculous metamorphosis: On one side of the political map are those who previously regarded officers and officials like Meir Dagan, Yuval Diskin and former IDF chief Gabi Ashkenazi as cold-blooded suppressors of the Palestinians and immoral representatives of the military-settler complex - who suddenly discover that they were peace-loving, war-resisting, truth-telling freedom fighters all along. And on the other side are those who used to collect Independence Day posters of Dagan, Diskin, Ashkenazi and others of their ilk and dream of their heroes with knives in their mouths and dead terrorists in their hands and who had no doubt that these super-patriots could run the country better than any politician, if only we could do away with irksome democracy-shemocracy. Suddenly they realize that these bogus lionhearts were closet lefties with political ambitions who were just waiting for the right moment to stick a knife in the nation’s back.

But most Israelis, and most Diaspora Jews – those who haven’t been turning their eyes away – are probably looking on this sudden-onset collective dementia with complete bewilderment and growing concern. After all, if half of what the generals are saying about the politicians is true, it’s terrible. If half of what the politicians are hurling back at the generals is valid, it’s horrendous. Someone should explain what bug has entered our system that can turn all of these good people who have truly devoted their lives to the country’s well being – on both sides of the divide – into such stark, rabid rivals. And someone should put a stop to this maniacal melee before it turns into a tragedy of our own device.

If they weren’t otherwise engaged with their own meshugas, the Arabs at this point would be bringing out the salads and the lamb and the baklava and organizing a khafla – a Middle Eastern feast – to celebrate their good fortune and to give thanks to Allah who has made the Jews majnun (loco). In Tehran, no doubt, the ayatollahs are hi-fiving each other, feasting on rice and kebob and shouting “Tabrik migoyam,” which means mazal tov in Farsi.

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Sev
05-09-2012, 04:24 PM
Yup. There is a bit of political turmoil at the moment. It will sort itself out in good time. It always does.

cushioncrawler
05-09-2012, 04:41 PM
The jews need a messiah.
mac.

Soflasnapper
05-09-2012, 06:47 PM
POLITICAL turmoil?

From the INTEL chiefs, the SECURITY services, and the IDF commander?

That's a bit more than political. Those guys do not do politics, and never have.

Gayle in MD
05-10-2012, 12:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">POLITICAL turmoil?

From the INTEL chiefs, the SECURITY services, and the IDF commander?

That's a bit more than political. Those guys do not do politics, and never have. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And someone should put a stop to this maniacal melee before it turns into a tragedy of our own device.

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That someone is going to have to be us, through our own foreign policies.

It's long past time that we as a country, begin to address the truth about Israel, publically, and show them that they do not flip the bird, to the United States Of America, and if they continue, they can do without the millions of dollars we send them every year. We should stop sending them money, anyway, now that they have committed war crimes, IMO.

G.

nAz
05-10-2012, 03:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">POLITICAL turmoil?

From the INTEL chiefs, the SECURITY services, and the IDF commander?

That's a bit more than political. Those guys do not do politics, and never have. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And someone should put a stop to this maniacal melee before it turns into a tragedy of our own device.

</div></div>

That someone is going to have to be us, through our own foreign policies.

It's long past time that we as a country, begin to address the truth about Israel, publically, and show them that they do not flip the bird, to the United States Of America, and if they continue, they can do without the millions of dollars we send them every year. We should stop sending them money, anyway, now that they have committed war crimes, IMO.

G. </div></div>

This thread smacks of anti antisemitism, There i said it before anyone else thinks it.

Gayle the moneys will never stop flowing into Israel they have way too much influence over our Government and the religious right (or is it wrong).
they are like fortune 200 companies, they pretty much get what they want eventually.

Gayle in MD
05-10-2012, 04:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nAz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">POLITICAL turmoil?

From the INTEL chiefs, the SECURITY services, and the IDF commander?

That's a bit more than political. Those guys do not do politics, and never have. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And someone should put a stop to this maniacal melee before it turns into a tragedy of our own device.

</div></div>

That someone is going to have to be us, through our own foreign policies.

It's long past time that we as a country, begin to address the truth about Israel, publically, and show them that they do not flip the bird, to the United States Of America, and if they continue, they can do without the millions of dollars we send them every year. We should stop sending them money, anyway, now that they have committed war crimes, IMO.

G. </div></div>

This thread smacks of anti antisemitism, There i said it before anyone else thinks it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Gayle the moneys will never stop flowing into Israel they have way too much influence over our Government and the religious right (or is it wrong).
they are like fortune 200 companies, they pretty much get what they want eventually.




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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This thread smacks of anti antisemitism, There i said it before anyone else thinks it. </div></div> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

I believe in change. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif :)I'm saying what should be, not what is currently, but change is always possible.

Now, did you ever think you would see a President stand up for full Gay rights, including the right to marry?

I never say never. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Here is what I think will eventually happen though.

Israel is like George Bush, always shooting off their mouths and war mongering. We have foreign policy experts here, who have spoken out against Israel's radicals, and that alone is a rather new breakthrough.

European countries are on and off outraged over Israels's inhumane actions. They are building more and more enemies.

Other nations are also speaking out against Israel's terrorist radicals, the right-wing in their government, which even Zbigniew Brzezinski calls a terrorist group.

But I think there will be a tremendous public outcry, when they try to drag us into another Middle East War, with Iran, and that is exactly what they're pushing for.

They can spread around weapons propaganda until hell freezes over, but too many of us remember how Bush did the same thing to push us into war, and they won't get away with pulling us into their "problems" with Iran, unless there is a neocon President in the White House.

That is one more reason why Mitsey would be a disaster! His entire inside circle, would be administration, is the same bunch of American Enterprise Institute's (aka Jewish-American Military industrial corporate cabal)jutnob neocons that helped Bush push us into Iraq!

Mitsey is hiding them for now, but eventally all will know where this is heading, and Americans aren't having any!

Eventually, Israel is going to flip us the bird, once too many, IMO, and demanding that we get involved in another war, because they can't get along with any other countries around them, and refuse to compromise for the sake of peace, may just be that last straw.

JMHO. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

G.

Soflasnapper
05-10-2012, 01:02 PM
A recent Director of Military Intelligence for Israel stated that if this situation had been put into the control of the DMI, it would have resulted in a peace deal many years back already.

Albert Schweitzer, both a doctor of medicine and of divinity, wrote a book titled 'In Search of the Historical Jesus.' His argument was not from a Christian perspective, and he said Jesus had tried to force God's hand and the divine timeline to establish the prophesied Kingdom of God on earth, through a deliberate fulfillment of prophecy. Leading to his profound despair on the cross, when the Bible reports he said there, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' (Lord, Lord, why have you forsaken me?)

It almost appears that by the accusation that Bibi and Ehud Barak are 'messianic,' the former Shin Bet head is alleging THEY are attempting to force God's hand and the divine timeline to Armageddon, by getting it all started.

I doubt it will work, whatever John Hagee and Jack Van Impe (or Bib and Barak) may believe.