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Qtec
05-09-2012, 07:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- In his new book, former Secretary of State Colin Powell provides what may be the most authoritative confirmation yet that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>there was never a considered debate in the George W. Bush White House about whether going to war in Iraq was really a good idea.</span>

In a chapter discussing what he calls his “infamous” February 2003 speech to the United Nations where he authoritatively presented what was later exposed as gross misinformation about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Powell notes that by that time, war “was approaching.”

“By then, the President did not think war could be avoided,” Powell writes. “He had crossed the line in his own mind, even though the NSC [National Security Council] had never met -- and never would meet -- to discuss the decision.”

The National Security Council, which was at the time led by Condoleezza Rice, is the president’s foremost advisory body for national security and foreign policy.

The book, “It Worked For Me: In Life and Leadership,” which will be released May 22, is largely a series of leadership parables from Powell, who now spends a lot of time on the lecture circuit. The Huffington Post obtained an advance copy.

<u>Bush insisted in his own 2010 memoir, "Decision Points," that the invasion was something he came to support only reluctantly and after a long period of reflection. During his book tour, he even cast himself as “a dissenting voice” in the run-up to war. “I didn't wanna use force,” he said.</u>

But Powell supports the increasingly well-documented conclusion that there was actually no decision-making point -- or decision-making process -- during the events between the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with those attacks.

Former CIA Director George Tenet made an admission similar to Powell’s in his own 2007 memoir. <u>"There was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat," he wrote. Nor "was there ever a significant discussion" about the possibility of containing Iraq without an invasion.</u>

Indeed, history shows that Bush had long wanted to strike out at Saddam Hussein and was trying to link Iraq to 9/11 within a day of the terrorist attacks.

The first concrete evidence was the Downing Street Memos first published in 2005, which documented the conclusions of British officials after high-level talks in Washington in July 2002 that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“[m]ilitary action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.</span>”</span>

An analysis of the historical record by the National Security Archives in 2010 concluded that, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“In contrast to an extensive record of planning for actual military operations, there is no record that President George W. Bush ever made a considered decision for war. All of the numerous White House and Pentagon meetings concerned moving the project forward, not whether a march into conflict was a proper course for the United States and its allies. Deliberations were instrumental to furthering the war project, not considerations of the basic course.”</span> </div></div>

Amazing/


link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/colin-powell-book_n_1503592.html)

Q

Gayle in MD
05-10-2012, 02:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- In his new book, former Secretary of State Colin Powell provides what may be the most authoritative confirmation yet that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>there was never a considered debate in the George W. Bush White House about whether going to war in Iraq was really a good idea.</span>

In a chapter discussing what he calls his “infamous” February 2003 speech to the United Nations where he authoritatively presented what was later exposed as gross misinformation about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Powell notes that by that time, war “was approaching.”

“By then, the President did not think war could be avoided,” Powell writes. “He had crossed the line in his own mind, even though the NSC [National Security Council] had never met -- and never would meet -- to discuss the decision.”

The National Security Council, which was at the time led by Condoleezza Rice, is the president’s foremost advisory body for national security and foreign policy.

The book, “It Worked For Me: In Life and Leadership,” which will be released May 22, is largely a series of leadership parables from Powell, who now spends a lot of time on the lecture circuit. The Huffington Post obtained an advance copy.

<u>Bush insisted in his own 2010 memoir, "Decision Points," that the invasion was something he came to support only reluctantly and after a long period of reflection. During his book tour, he even cast himself as “a dissenting voice” in the run-up to war. “I didn't wanna use force,” he said.</u>

But Powell supports the increasingly well-documented conclusion that there was actually no decision-making point -- or decision-making process -- during the events between the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with those attacks.

Former CIA Director George Tenet made an admission similar to Powell’s in his own 2007 memoir. <u>"There was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat," he wrote. Nor "was there ever a significant discussion" about the possibility of containing Iraq without an invasion.</u>

Indeed, history shows that Bush had long wanted to strike out at Saddam Hussein and was trying to link Iraq to 9/11 within a day of the terrorist attacks.

The first concrete evidence was the Downing Street Memos first published in 2005, which documented the conclusions of British officials after high-level talks in Washington in July 2002 that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“[m]ilitary action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.</span>”</span>

An analysis of the historical record by the National Security Archives in 2010 concluded that, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“In contrast to an extensive record of planning for actual military operations, there is no record that President George W. Bush ever made a considered decision for war. All of the numerous White House and Pentagon meetings concerned moving the project forward, not whether a march into conflict was a proper course for the United States and its allies. Deliberations were instrumental to furthering the war project, not considerations of the basic course.”</span> </div></div>

Amazing/


link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/colin-powell-book_n_1503592.html)

Q </div></div>


But Halliburton and The Carlyle Group made such a fortune, surely it couldn't have been the wrong thing to do? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

That Neocon idiot who owned Blackwater, is on the Romney team! Watch out!

Cheney and Bush should be hung!

If lying our country into war, isn't treason, then what IS treason?

We can thank the radical, activist RW fascist Supreme Court for the miscarriage of justice which handed George Bush the White House.

And Scalia says about the S.C.'s decision to throw out the Florida Supreme Court's decision, "Get over it"!

Let him tell that to all of those who lost their loved ones in the FIASCO which should never have happened in Iraq.

Let him tell that to all those who have suffered immeasurably, lost their homes, their futures and even their health and their lives, due to multi-level corruption and deceit of George Bush, Dick cheney, and Condoleeza Rice.

Powell really NEEDS to make a public apology to all Americans, for his failure to speak out, tell the truth, and save the lives of our soldiers who died in vain. I have always liked Powell, but he has never fully owned up to his disgraceful failure of conscinece.

Our country has suffered immeasurably, from all of the damages of the Bush Administration.

G.

Soflasnapper
05-10-2012, 01:10 PM
True.

On a grave matter, a significant war, he neither consulted his SecState Powell or his SecDef Rumsfeld, nor his father.

Rather, he listened to the neo-con Vulcans in the transition, by which he became convinced of the 'cake walk' prediction, even stating to Pat Robertson that there would be no US casualties there, according to what God told him.

The armchair 'generals' of the neo-con faction devised a plan to use no more than 10,000 to 20,000 forces, claiming that more than adequate, plus cheap!, and so it wouldn't tie us down from pursuing the 4-7 OTHER INVASIONS they had on tap right afterwards.

Causing Gen. Tommy Franks to pronounce Doug Feith 'the f*cking stupidest person on earth.'

LWW
05-12-2012, 05:57 AM
What was there left to debate?

Gayle in MD
05-12-2012, 11:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">True.

On a grave matter, a significant war, he neither consulted his SecState Powell or his SecDef Rumsfeld, nor his father.

Rather, he listened to the neo-con Vulcans in the transition, by which he became convinced of the 'cake walk' prediction, even stating to Pat Robertson that there would be no US casualties there, according to what God told him.

The armchair 'generals' of the neo-con faction devised a plan to use no more than 10,000 to 20,000 forces, claiming that more than adequate, plus cheap!, and so it wouldn't tie us down from pursuing the 4-7 OTHER INVASIONS they had on tap right afterwards.

Causing Gen. Tommy Franks to pronounce Doug Feith 'the f*cking stupidest person on earth.' </div></div>

I remember that. And Wolfowitz, OMG, blatant proof that that idiot never knew what the hell he was doing.

then, as all good Republicans end up, he ends up caught banging another woman, and payng her off with other people's money!

What a bunch of colossal hypocrites.

Similar story of Joe Scarborough, the murderer, who got a bye on murdering his own aid, rumored to have been one of his "interests", suspiciously determined by a proven crook of a medical examiner, to have died in his office of a fall from a heart condition, only she didn't have a heart condition, and the bruises were not consistant with a fall in the first place.

The press blocked that story completely off the radar, but then, it did happen in Florida, and he did have ol' Jeb, right in his back pocket!

It still makes me mad that he got away with all of it, and then laughed and joked about having to kill former mistresses on the Imus show! Especially since it was also known that he was involved with another aid, and divorced his wife, to marry her, lied after being re-elected, annd said he wanted to spend more time with his family!

G.

G.

LWW
05-13-2012, 05:11 AM
What's astounding is that some people believe that Carlyle has Unduly profited these last 9 years.

One of te many risks of deeming Michael Morecheeseburgers to be a credible source.

Qtec
05-13-2012, 06:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was there left to debate? </div></div>

How about the cost and how to pay for it?

How did they actually pay for it?

Q