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Gayle in MD
05-10-2012, 10:57 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/m...OKFU_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. — Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber’s look, Friedemann recalled.


A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them — Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal — spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be named. The men have differing political affiliations, although they mostly lean Democratic. Buford volunteered for Barack Obama’s campaign in 2008. Seed, a registered independent, has served as a Republican county chairman in Michigan. All of them said that politics in no way colored their recollections.

“It happened very quickly, and to this day it troubles me,” said Buford, the school’s wrestling champion, who said he joined Romney in restraining Lauber. Buford subsequently apologized to Lauber, who was “terrified,” he said. “What a senseless, stupid, idiotic thing to do.”

“It was a hack job,” recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. “It was vicious.”

“He was just easy pickins,” said Friedemann, then the student prefect, or student authority leader of Stevens Hall, expressing remorse about his failure to stop it.

The incident transpired in a flash, and Friedemann said Romney then led his cheering schoolmates back to his bay-windowed room in Stevens Hall.

Friedemann, guilt ridden, made a point of not talking about it with his friend and waited to see what form of discipline would befall Romney at the famously strict institution. Nothing happened.

Romney is now the presumed Republican presidential nominee. In a radio interview Thursday morning, Romney said he didn’t remember the incident but apologized for pranks he helped orchestrate that he said “might have gone too far.”

Campaign officials denied a request for an interview with Romney. They also declined to comment further about his years at Cranbrook.

After the incident, Lauber seemed to disappear. He returned days later with his shortened hair back to its natural brown. He finished the year, but ultimately left the school before graduation — thrown out for smoking a cigarette.

Sometime in the mid-1990s, David Seed noticed a familiar face at the end of a bar at Chicago O’Hare International Airport.

“Hey, you’re John Lauber,” Seed recalled saying at the start of a brief conversation. Seed, also among those who witnessed the Romney-led incident, had gone on to a career as a teacher and principal. Now he had something to get off his chest.

“I’m sorry that I didn’t do more to help in the situation,” he said.

Lauber paused, then responded, “It was horrible.” He went on to explain how frightened he was during the incident, and acknowledged to Seed, “It’s something I have thought about a lot since then.”

Lauber died in 2004, according to his three sisters.







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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But Friedemann and several people closest to Romney in those formative years say there was a sharp edge to him. In an English class, Gary Hummel, who was a closeted gay student at the time, recalled that his efforts to speak out in class were punctuated with Romney shouting, “Atta girl!” In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.

Saul, Romney’s campaign spokeswoman, said the candidate has no recollection of the incident.

Teachers were also the butt of Romney’s brand of humor.

One venerable English teacher, Carl G. Wonnberger, nicknamed “the Bat” for his diminished eyesight, was known to walk into the trophy case and apologize, step into wastepaper baskets and stare blindly as students slipped out the back of the room to smoke by the open windows. Once, several students remembered the time pranksters propped up the back axle of Wonnberger’s Volkswagen Beetle with two-by-fours and watched, laughing from the windows, as the unwitting teacher slammed the gas pedal with his wheels spinning in the air.

As an underclassman, Romney accompanied Wonnberger and Pierce Getsinger, another student, from the second floor of the main academic building to the library to retrieve a book the two boys needed. According to Getsinger, Romney opened a first set of doors for Wonnberger, but then at the next set, with other students around, he swept his hand forward, bidding the teacher into a closed door. Wonnberger walked right into it and Getsinger said Romney giggled hysterically as the teacher shrugged it off as another of life’s indignities.

“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and has long been bothered by the Lauber incident. “But I was not the brunt of any of his pranks.”





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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Forty years on, Mitt Romney accepted the school’s 2005 Distinguished Alumni Award.

A year earlier, John Joseph Lauber died at a Seattle hospital.

The boy few at Cranbrook knew or remember was born in Chicago, grew up in South Bend, Ind., and had a hard time fitting in. He liked to wander and “had a glorious sense of the absurd,” according to his sister Betsy. When the chance to get out of Indiana presented itself, he jumped at it, and enrolled at Cranbrook. He never uttered a word about Mitt Romney or the haircut incident to his sisters. After Cranbrook asked him to leave, he finished high school, attended the University of the Seven Seas for two semesters, then graduated in 1970 from Vanderbilt, where he majored in English.

He came out as gay to his family and close friends and led a vagabond life, taking dressage lessons in England and touring with the Royal Lipizzaner Stallion riders. After an extreme fit of temper in front of his mother and sister at home in South Bend, he checked into the Menninger Clinic psychiatric hospital in Topeka, Kan. Later he received his embalmer’s license, worked as a chef aboard big freighters and fishing trawlers, and cooked for civilian contractors during the war in Bosnia and then, a decade later, in Iraq. His hair thinned as he aged, and in the winter of 2004 he returned to Seattle, the closest thing he had to a base. He died there of liver cancer that December.

He kept his hair blond until he died, said his sister Chris. “He never stopped bleaching it.”
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/m...OKFU_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story.html)

eg8r
05-10-2012, 11:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In an English class, Gary Hummel, who was a closeted gay student at the time, recalled that his efforts to speak out in class were punctuated with Romney shouting, “Atta girl!” In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.

</div></div>So the author here is telling us that Romney was acting pretty normal as far as other students and teachers were concerned. Times are different nowadays and the expectation is that Romney probably would have "evolved" like Obama if in this situation again.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-10-2012, 12:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In an English class, Gary Hummel, who was a closeted gay student at the time, recalled that his efforts to speak out in class were punctuated with Romney shouting, “Atta girl!” In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.

</div></div>So the author here is telling us that Romney was acting pretty normal as far as other students and teachers were concerned. Times are different nowadays and the expectation is that Romney probably would have "evolved" like Obama if in this situation again.

eg8r </div></div>

So you think it's normal to bully others?


There were Gays among our friends when we were growing up, but I never heard of any bullying. Our group of friends wouldn't have behaved that way.

I can assure you, President Obama would never have behaved the way Romney did, any more than he would put a sick dog in a cage on the roof of a vehicle, and drive hours in the freezing cold, and think it was a joke, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>as Romney and his wife just laughed their asses off recalling that sicko moves, just a week ago! They aren't kids now.</span>


Apparently, Romney thinks a lot of his piggish, bullying and indecent behavior is funny, as does his wife.

G.

eg8r
05-10-2012, 01:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you think it's normal to bully others?
</div></div>Wow, your comprehension really sucks. Let's see if I can dumb it down for you...Your author told us it was normal. Ask Romney if the way he acted then was right or wrong. If he says it was wrong then will you accept that his opinion has "evolved"?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-10-2012, 01:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you think it's normal to bully others?
</div></div>Wow, your comprehension really sucks. Let's see if I can dumb it down for you...Your author told us it was normal. Ask Romney if the way he acted then was right or wrong. If he says it was wrong then will you accept that his opinion has "evolved"?

eg8r </div></div>

No, the author did not say it was NORMAL. He said "some' of Romney's 'pranks' were normal, but not all of the behavior reported by his peers, was normal. he calls it bullying behavior.

Just like what those two pigs, Romney and his wife, did to that dog, wasn't normal.

Romney will never make a true apology, no more than Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rove, Libby, Wolfowitz, Feith or any of the neocons have made a genuine apology for what they did to our troops, and to this country.

Republicans don't make genuine apologies, or haven't you noticed?

Republicans only make up more lies and excuses for their horrendous behavior, or blame anyone they can think of other then themselves for their own repulsive behavior.

What is evident about Romney, is that his treatment of the family dog, decades after his bullying and physical attacks upon others, is proof that he has not evolved at all, he's just as much a sicko, heartless bastard right now as he has been all of his life, which they both proved a week or so ago, laughing together about what they did to that dog!

So no, he's just another lying republican pig. That's all they have left in the Republican Party.

G.

eg8r
05-10-2012, 02:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gayle forgetting what she read</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, the author did not say it was NORMAL. He said "some' of Romney's 'pranks' were normal, but not all of the behavior reported by his peers, was normal. he calls it bullying behavior.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: What the author actually said</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In an English class, Gary Hummel, who was a closeted gay student at the time, recalled that his efforts to speak out in class were punctuated with Romney shouting, “Atta girl!” In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language. </div></div>Now I know, you wished that part was never there and that it was not normal for these actions to happen but the fact of the matter is that your author said they did happen and they were normal.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
05-10-2012, 06:17 PM
Exactly. Some people are so sensitive. Lighten up.

Who among us wouldn't trick a blind person into walking face first into a door he thought you'd opened for him? Loads of laughs.

Did he mention his trick with the crutches for the cripple? Hilarious. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

eg8r
05-10-2012, 07:43 PM
Well your sarcasm might have made sense if you had started off stating that "In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm" but then again you really aren't interested in being honest about what was said.

I am not making this up, it was gaylio's own author that said it, or quoted it. If they wanted to prove the point gaylio is hoping gets across then that part would have been left out.

eg8r

LWW
05-11-2012, 02:59 AM
Two things that come through loud and clear in this discussion:

1 - We have a bully complaining about someone being a bully.

2 - That same person is more than willing to ignore Obama's HS history of violence against females.

Gayle in MD
05-11-2012, 05:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two things that come through loud and clear in this discussion:

1 - We have a bully complaining about someone being a bully.

2 - That same person is more than willing to ignore Obama's HS history of violence against females. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 26pt'> Gayle and LWW, we all now completely understand that you two don't like each other. No real need to keep belaboring the point.

My suggestion now is to ignore each other.

Any posts from either of you pointing at the other one will result in an immediate (and very long) ban.

Admin
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Gayle in MD
05-11-2012, 05:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Exactly. Some people are so sensitive. Lighten up.

Who among us wouldn't trick a blind person into walking face first into a door he thought you'd opened for him? Loads of laughs.

Did he mention his trick with the crutches for the cripple? Hilarious. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

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Eg. does this all the time. He is obviously taking one reference of one situation, and using it to cover all of the examples of Romney's bullying behavior.

One comment, taken out of context, to skew the entire crux of the story about Romney's vicious acts and bullying behavior.

Some of the other adjectives used in the story about Romney's behavior; vicious, stupid, evil....Eg. reduces all of it down to one word, 'normal' which isn't at all what the story suggested. If the behavior had been normal, no one would have written a story about Romney's Bullying Behavior, in the first place, obviously.

Obviously this is a story about Romney's very disturbing actions, which Eg. has skewed, reduced down to one word, "normal' /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif D

Doesn't even like Romney himself, but so what, just more of his irrelevent spin, overall distraction of the crux of yet another thread, followed by hhis usual personal insults.


Try to tell him, ah no, the author isn't saying in the article that Romney's behavior overall was normal, but he isn't having any of that, oh no, not Eg, so then he does what he loves most, right back to the personal insults.


Pathetic!

G.

eg8r
05-11-2012, 08:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, the author did not say it was NORMAL. He said "some' of Romney's 'pranks' were normal,</div></div>Not in the quote I have provided a couple times. The quote specifically calls out the language he was using. Do you know or understand the difference between language and pranks? Let me know and I will attempt to dumb it down for you.

Again, if you asked him now and he said he would change the way he acted back then would you accept that his views have "evolved"?

eg8r

eg8r
05-11-2012, 08:24 AM
Why don't you ignore his post then? Why are you going against the Admin? Are you trying to get kicked off again?

Since you decided to read his post why not address bullet number 2? This is something I was not aware so I am interested in the responses.

eg8r

llotter
05-11-2012, 08:53 AM
Making homos less than welcome is a reasonable method of minimizing their numbers and helping to insure that the traditional family, the linchpin of a free and civil society, continues to prosper.

Gayle in MD
05-11-2012, 09:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, the author did not say it was NORMAL. He said "some' of Romney's 'pranks' were normal,</div></div>Not in the quote I have provided a couple times. The quote specifically calls out the language he was using. Do you know or understand the difference between language and pranks? Let me know and I will attempt to dumb it down for you.

Again, if you asked him now and he said he would change the way he acted back then would you accept that his views have "evolved"?

eg8r </div></div>

As I have already stated, there will be no genuine apology from Romney. Just denial.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney pushed back against a report that he had bullied a closeted gay classmate in prep school by insisting that the student's sexuality wasn't a factor because Romney couldn't have known or suspected it.

"First of all, I had no idea what that individual's sexual orientation might be," Romney told Fox News' Neil Cavuto Thursday afternoon, in response to a Washington Post story about his prankster days at the prestigious Cranbrook School. "Going back to the 1960s, that wasn't something we all discussed or considered. So that's simply just not accurate."


<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> A lie, according to his classmates, who were there, and some of them involved in the vicious attack, a physical assault.</span> </span>

The former Massachusetts governor had used the same defense during an interview Thursday morning. He was trying to stress that the particular act of bullying wasn't discriminatory in nature.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Again, he refuses to own up. </span>

"That was the furthest thing from my mind back in the 1960s," he said of the student's sexual orientation, during a sit-down on Fox host Brian Kilmeade's radio show.


<span style="color: #CC0000">Again, completely at odds with his classmates statements. </span>

Homosexuality was discussed less openly a half-century ago. Certainly it didn't engender the type of political debate it would in later decades. But the idea that it wasn't on people's minds in the 60s isn't true. The Huffington Post conducted a rudimentary search of newspaper archives from the era and came away with thousands of results, a sampling of which are below.

A March 14, 1961, letter to Ann Landers from a Detroit resident, asserting that he had stopped being gay with psychiatric treatment:

At 16 I realized something was "wrong" with me. Our family doctor, a wonderfully understanding man, persuaded my parents that I should have intensive psychiatric treatment. Today I am happily married and content. I was never the effeminate type so I was able to discuss the subject freely with other males. I learned that the men whose condemnation is most violent, the ones who are least tolerant of homosexuals, are not quite sure of their own masculinity.





An Oct. 19, 1964, column by Drew Pearson on homosexuality being something that afflicted Republicans and Democrats alike:

The story of homosexuality in Washington is a tragic one and has hit both Democratic and Republican administrations. It's a disease which is completely bipartisan and has no respect for people in high places.


Mitt Romney Says Homosexuality Wasn't Discussed In 1960s; History Tells A Different Story
Posted: 05/10/2012 7:20 pm Updated: 05/10/2012 8:49 pm

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Gayle in MD
05-11-2012, 09:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Making homos less than welcome is a reasonable method of minimizing their numbers and helping to insure that the traditional family, the linchpin of a free and civil society, continues to prosper. </div></div>

The linchpin of a free and civil society is the absence of hate and discrimination.

They aren't Homos. They are Homosexuals. Additionally, your statements above are incredibly offensive and Homophobic.

FYI, the number of homosexuals as a part of any population, remains roughly the same, through history, regardless of region or any social intervention, and also, in the animal world, interestingly enough.

If one believes in God, then one must understand, that God created everything, including homosexual people and animals. Who are you to decide that God's creation is undeserving to exist?

Homosexual families are even more successful than heterosexual families, both in the parenting skills, the health, success and happiness of the children they adopt, or create through Invetro, and the success of their marriages, since they actually have far less divorce, than heterosexuals.

Additionally, they are usual the ones in our society, who adopt children with special needs, such as babies born with AIDS, born with disabililties, and many other medical illnesses.

Huge numbers of artists, writers, actors, geniuses in their fields, are Homosexuals, including some of the world's greatest authors, sculptore, journalists, interior designers, famous slothing designers, any and every field of artistic endeavor, is generously endowed with Homosexuals, to the point that the world would be a far less beautiful world, without them.

Those who live their lives with hearts full of hate, and discrimination, seldom see the beauty around them, or appreciate its source.

G.

Soflasnapper
05-11-2012, 09:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well your sarcasm might have made sense if you had started off stating that "In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm" but then again you really aren't interested in being honest about what was said.

I am not making this up, it was gaylio's own author that said it, or quoted it. If they wanted to prove the point gaylio is hoping gets across then that part would have been left out.

eg8r </div></div>

Yes, homophobic COMMENTARY was rampant in those days. If that was all he did, it would be within the norms of the time. And I would give a pass to that. Marine drill instructors may still address those in their charge as 'ladies,' and that is mild and expected, even though it's also insulting and homophobic in character.

Physical assault of those thought gay was, unfortunately, probably somewhat common as well, but I see no reason to give assault any pass at all, different eras or not. If we go there, then assaults on blacks for racial reasons are equally excused, and that cannot be right.

Cruel pranks on blind people? A blind instructor? I do not buy that such acts were commonplace or any part of mainstream youth culture. I don't think that whole generation or a big part of it were early Jackass prototypes.

In these cases of assault on a gay student, and pranking the blind guy, Mitt Rmoney showed the monstrous side of the extremely entitled dehumanizing others of lesser status. Which is a useful insight into this man and explains a lot.

eg8r
05-11-2012, 10:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As I have already stated, there will be no genuine apology from Romney. Just denial.
</div></div>Why are you changing the subject? I did not ask you if he would apologize.

eg8r

eg8r
05-11-2012, 10:02 AM
Do you have anything info to offer in respect to the second bullet that lww posted about? I had not heard that before.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-11-2012, 10:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well your sarcasm might have made sense if you had started off stating that "In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm" but then again you really aren't interested in being honest about what was said.

I am not making this up, it was gaylio's own author that said it, or quoted it. If they wanted to prove the point gaylio is hoping gets across then that part would have been left out.

eg8r </div></div>

Yes, homophobic COMMENTARY was rampant in those days. If that was all he did, it would be within the norms of the time. And I would give a pass to that. Marine drill instructors may still address those in their charge as 'ladies,' and that is mild and expected, even though it's also insulting and homophobic in character.

Physical assault of those thought gay was, unfortunately, probably somewhat common as well, but I see no reason to give assault any pass at all, different eras or not. If we go there, then assaults on blacks for racial reasons are equally excused, and that cannot be right.

Cruel pranks on blind people? A blind instructor? I do not buy that such acts were commonplace or any part of mainstream youth culture. I don't think that whole generation or a big part of it were early Jackass prototypes.

In these cases of assault on a gay student, and pranking the blind guy, Mitt Rmoney showed the monstrous side of the extremely entitled dehumanizing others of lesser status. Which is a useful insight into this man and explains a lot. </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000"><span style='font-size: 11pt'>Sofla,

And excellent post.

You express my thoughts exactly</span>.</span>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see no reason to give assault any pass at all, different eras or not. If we go there, then assaults on blacks for racial reasons are equally excused, and that cannot be right.

Cruel pranks on blind people? A blind instructor? I do not buy that such acts were commonplace or any part of mainstream youth culture. I don't think that whole generation or a big part of it were early Jackass prototypes.

In these cases of assault on a gay student, and pranking the blind guy, Mitt Rmoney showed the monstrous side of the extremely entitled dehumanizing others of lesser status. Which is a useful insight into this man and explains a lot. </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'> Even worse, Romney's responses to documentation of his assault on another student, who was Gay, and other documented stories in the article about his bahavior, not as not a child, but of an age to know exactly what he was doing, have shown even more of his very ugly personality right now, as a grown man.

Not one statement yet, by him, which shows any true regret, empathy, or genuine shame over what he did to his victims.

He is still that same entitled, spoiled bully right now, refusing to take responsibility for what he does, and thinks himself above reproach, as he has throughout this campaign.

G.</span> </span>

LWW
05-12-2012, 05:35 AM
If this story is true ... and there is no real evidence hat it is ... at least his violence didn't involve pushing women or eating dogs.

Gayle in MD
05-12-2012, 11:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As I have already stated, there will be no genuine apology from Romney. Just denial.
</div></div>Why are you changing the subject? I did not ask you if he would apologize.

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now I know, you wished that part was never there and that it was not normal for these actions to happen but the fact of the matter is that your author said they did happen and they were normal.

eg8r
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Wrong! The author did not say they were ALL normal, at all. I do wish you could learn to READ!

He clearly stated that some were pranks, but also clearly, others which were proven, by a number of his classmates who were there at the time, and have spoken out, some of Romney's pranks, were actually assaults, psysical assaults. This is the reason why he doesn't deny that he did these things, because he knows that his former classmates would come forward far more remarkably, and expose his lies, and probably reveal even more about his obvious psycholigical, emotional problems.

When you learn how to ask a relevant question, or even just answer a relevant question, perhaps people might consider taking you more seriously. As it is, you only endeavor to confuses the crux of any discussion, with pathetic attempts to muddy up the waters, taking things out od context, and changing the entire discussion over to something unrecognizable, or patently irrelevant!

G.

eg8r
05-14-2012, 07:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong! The author did not say they were ALL normal, at all. I do wish you could learn to READ!

</div></div>LOL, that is pretty funny, you the one with piss poor comprehension mentioning my ability to read. Give me a break. Anyways, for probably the third time, here is what the author said...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.
</div></div>OK, so now to dumb it down a bit for you, I would suggest you focus first on the part that says, "In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm". What the author is saying is that during that time this was quite normal and oh by the way even some of the teachers did the same.

Clearly you refuse to read and comprehend what is there and decide to muddy the waters with your ridiculous fantasy of what you wish it was like.

eg8r

eg8r
05-14-2012, 07:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, homophobic COMMENTARY was rampant in those days.</div></div>Thanks, it is like pulling teeth to get this sort of common sense response from gayle.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 08:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong! The author did not say they were ALL normal, at all. I do wish you could learn to READ!

</div></div>LOL, that is pretty funny, you the one with piss poor comprehension mentioning my ability to read. Give me a break. Anyways, for probably the third time, here is what the author said...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.
</div></div>OK, so now to dumb it down a bit for you, I would suggest you focus first on the part that says, "In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm". What the author is saying is that during that time this was quite normal and oh by the way even some of the teachers did the same.

Clearly you refuse to read and comprehend what is there and decide to muddy the waters with your ridiculous fantasy of what you wish it was like.

eg8r </div></div>



<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>using similar<span style='font-size: 26pt'> language. </span> </span> </span>



<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'> More of your usual style of posting, Ignore the main points, take an irrelevant part out of context, and then throw out more personal insults.

The article states that some of Mitt Romney'
s pranks, were more than just pranks. That is the main theme of the article.

You can make up all the BS you want, but that doesn't change the FACT, that Mitt Romney's behavior indicates that he took part in psyical assault, against not only Gays, but anyone who was vulnerable, even a nearly blind older man, who was a teacher.

Wow. Dense, REALLY dense!

G.</span> </span>

eg8r
05-14-2012, 08:40 AM
Nothing was taken out of context, you just did not read what you quoted. Maybe next time you will take the time to read before you click the submit button.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 08:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, homophobic COMMENTARY was rampant in those days.</div></div>Thanks, it is like pulling teeth to get this sort of common sense response from gayle.

eg8r </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>LMAO! Now, having attempted to skew the meaning of the article, you're cherry picking Sofla's post, and skewing the main thrust of what he was tying to get across to your thick skull.

Why do you think he capitalized the word,'COMENTARY'? Now just show us again, EH8tr, how you skew every post, twist the meaning, and then use it to irritate others with your incessant distortions, while telling everyone else, THEY can't READ!

G. </span> </span>

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 08:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing was taken out of context, you just did not read what you quoted. Maybe next time you will take the time to read before you click the submit button.

eg8r </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'> Not just taken out of context, but a distortion of the entire article, as usual.

You are a complete waste of time.

G. </span> </span>

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong! The author did not say they were ALL normal, at all. I do wish you could learn to READ!

</div></div>LOL, that is pretty funny, you the one with piss poor comprehension mentioning my ability to read. Give me a break. Anyways, for probably the third time, here is what the author said...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.
</div></div>OK, so now to dumb it down a bit for you, I would suggest you focus first on the part that says, "In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm". What the author is saying is that during that time this was quite normal and oh by the way even some of the teachers did the same.

Clearly you refuse to read and comprehend what is there and decide to muddy the waters with your ridiculous fantasy of what you wish it was like.

eg8r </div></div>



<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"Mitt Romney’s prep school classmates recall pranks, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>but also troubling incidents."

Troubling incidents are not considered NORMAL!</span> </span> </span>

<span style="color: #990000"> As is in the <span style='font-size: 26pt'>title</span>, the thrust of the article was NOT about Romney acting in an acceptable or normal way, so just more proof, you are wrong. But then, you never read the links.

WE all know you'll never admit it, but that doesn't change the FACTS! Outright assault of weaker people, is not NORMAL. IT IS BULLY BEHAVIOR! </span>

eg8r
05-14-2012, 10:07 AM
LOL, ok well then I guess you won't bother to read and comprehend. Your choice.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 10:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, ok well then I guess you won't bother to read and comprehend. Your choice.

eg8r </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>
"Mitt Romney’s prep school classmates recall pranks, but also <span style='font-size: 26pt'>troubling incidents</span>."

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Troubling incidents are not considered NORMAL! </span>As is in the title, the thrust of the article was NOT about Romney acting in an acceptable or normal way, so just more Troubling incidents are not considered NORMAL!

proof, you are wrong. But then, you never read the links.

</span> </span> </div></div>