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DiabloViejo
05-13-2012, 10:47 PM
<span style="color: #3333FF">I wish we still had conservatives like Barry Goldwater; sane conservatives who were willing to compromise for the greater good, and who actually supported individual liberties. Unlike the theocrats and hypocrites who now call themselves conservatives.</span>

Barry Goldwater’s War Against The Religious Right
May 13, 2012
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.
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Known as ‘Mr. Conservative,’ Barry Goldwater embodied conservative values throughout his service as a Senator from Arizona, but he would oppose much of what conservatives have been doing today. Present day conservatives take many of their marching orders from the Christian right, also known as social conservatives, but Barry Goldwater resoundingly rejected them as extremists who disgrace the word ‘conservatism.’ Like present day conservatives, Goldwater supported the free market, but as much as he supported business, he rejected those who pollute the environment. Many conservatives today claim Barry Goldwater as one of their own, so it may surprise them to know that he rejected many of their present day core values.

Barry Goldwater rose to prominence as a man of deep conservative convictions. Liberals called him an extremist (which he was in his time) and his often colorful and controversial rhetoric cost him the Presidency in 1964. But Goldwater, as controversial as he was back then, also had the guts to call out his own party. For example, ‘Mr. Conservative’ rejected the Christian right-wing element of the party. As a firm believer in personal liberty, he saw their views as a violation of personal privacy and individual liberties. In fact, he believed in this creed so much that he voted to uphold legalized abortion and supported gay rights. He also rejected the use of God in political discourse and refused to vote in Congress the way the religious right wanted him to. Here is a portion of what Goldwater had to say about the religious right.

“On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”
~Barry Goldwater

Goldwater refused to march lockstep with the Christian right as conservatives do today. The Republican Party of today has surrendered to the Christian right and ignored the real issues facing the country as a result. Goldwater knew how dangerous this would be.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
~Barry Goldwater

Goldwater was a strong supporter of separation of church and state and was a passionate advocate for religious freedom. He would not support the Christian right’s crusade against non-Christian religions.

“Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives.”
~Barry Goldwater

It might surprise you to know that Goldwater was a supporter of gay rights and rejected ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’ As a man devoted to personal liberty, Goldwater believed that consenting adults are free to marry whomever they please. And as a strong ally of those in the military, Goldwater would be smiling about the repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’

“Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.”
~Barry Goldwater

“It’s time America realized that there is no gay exemption in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence.”
~Barry Goldwater

“You don’t need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.”
~Barry Goldwater

Goldwater would be horrified by the current war against gay Americans being waged by the Republican Party and would have flatly denounced the conservative audience who booed the gay soldier and would have damned the Republican candidates who failed to jump to his defense during one of the GOP Debates. It should also be noted that Goldwater supported desegregation. As a Colonel he founded the Arizona Air National Guard, and he desegregated it two years before the rest of the US military. Goldwater was instrumental in pushing the Pentagon to support desegregation of the armed services. This would clearly make Goldwater enemy number one in the conservative south.

Conservatives today are expected to oppose abortion at any cost. In fact, Republicans have been passing anti-abortion laws for the last three years in an effort to curb women’s rights, personal privacy, and individual liberty., including over 90 anti-abortion bills that have been passed in 2012 alone. Barry Goldwater would be absolutely disgusted with this effort and would call conservatives a disgrace to the Constitution.

“Today’s so-called ‘conservatives’ don’t even know what the word means. They think I’ve turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right. It’s not a conservative issue at all.”
~Barry Goldwater

It’s clear that Goldwater supported Roe v. Wade. He consistently voted to uphold abortion rights. He made this decision because of his personal conviction that every woman has the right to privacy as protected by the Constitution. As an American, Goldwater put the Constitution before the Bible. That’s something that conservatives fail to do today.

There’s something else that conservatives support today that Barry Goldwater would flatly reject. Conservatives have an unshakable belief in the free market system, as did Goldwater. But conservatives believe that corporations should be allowed to pollute the environment as they wish, which is something Goldwater wouldn’t support at all. To put it bluntly, Goldwater would support the Koch brothers and their right to do business, but he would take them to the woodshed for willfully destroying the environment.

“While I am a great believer in the free enterprise system and all that it entails, I am an even stronger believer in the right of our people to live in a clean and pollution-free environment.”
~Barry Goldwater

Barry Goldwater was a huge environmental advocate. He sincerely believed that we needed to protect our world. Republicans in Congress have proposed a plan that would eliminate over 100 years of environmental regulations including allowing mining operations in the Grand Canyon. Barry Goldwater would be furious with this plan.

“Well, once you’ve been in the Canyon and once you’ve sort of fallen in love with it, it never ends…it’s always been a fascinating place to me, in fact I’ve often said that if I ever had a mistress it would be the Grand Canyon.”
~Barry Goldwater

Even Barry Goldwater’s religion was tied to the environment.

“My mother took us to services at the Episcopal church. Yet she always said that God was not just inside the four walls of a house of worship, but everywhere — in the rising sun over Camelback Mountain in Phoenix, a splash of water along the nearby Salt or Verde rivers, or clouds driving over the Estrella Mountains, south of downtown. I’ve always thought of God in those terms.”
~Barry Goldwater

Goldwater certainly had a passion for protecting the environment. He would support the Environmental Protection Agency and clean energy initiatives. He, more than any conservative today, understood that we only have one planet and that it is our duty to clean it up and protect it. And as much as Goldwater wanted to lower the tax rates, he never intended for the wealthiest among us to pay less than ordinary Americans. You have to remember that when Goldwater was fighting for lower taxes, the top tax rate in America was 91%. In the 1980s, Goldwater criticized Reagan’s “parade of millionaires.” He also supported American jobs and competition. He would be horrified to see how corporations have choked out competition in America and that those same corporations outsource millions of jobs overseas. Goldwater always stood by middle class Americans. Goldwater also opposed corporate money in politics which means he would certainly have rejected the Citizens United decision.

Clearly, Goldwater isn’t the pillar of conservatism the Republicans make him out to be. In fact, Goldwater was so distressed about the Christian right takeover of the Republican Party, that he began referring to himself as a liberal. In 1996, he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans: “We’re the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?”

Speaking of liberals, Goldwater believed they were a valuable part of the political system. Rather than vilify liberals like conservatives do on a daily basis today, Goldwater once wrote an article for the National Review “affirming that he [was] not against liberals, that liberals are needed as a counterweight to conservatism.” In other words, Goldwater would be completely against the present day conservative calls to destroy liberalism and the people who embody it. He would also be against conservative claims that liberals are socialists because he never would have stooped that low. Goldwater never supported the John Birch Society anti-communist obsession and he never once accused a fellow American of being a communist or socialist and would denounce Republicans for calling President Obama one. I strongly believe that Goldwater would have voted for President Obama had he been alive in 2008 like two of his granddaughters did.

We all know Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as Christian right-wing fanatics who have a stranglehold over the Republican Party. But Barry Goldwater never ever subscribed to their thirst to combine God and government. He considered such a movement an abomination and despised both Falwell and Robertson to the core. In a 1994 interview with the Washington Post the retired senator said,

“When you say “radical right” today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.” In response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell’s opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O’Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, “Every good Christian should be concerned”, Goldwater retorted: “Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.”

These two examples clearly show how much Goldwater disapproved of the growing influence of the Christian Right. Goldwater went even further than that, however. A few years before his death he went so far as to address the unprincipled establishment Republicans, “Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you’ve hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have.”

Barry Goldwater was a truer and more honorable conservative than the current crop of Republicans, who have allowed social conservative views, which he strongly opposed, to become the dominant and defining philosophy of the conservative movement. Conservatives never heeded Goldwater’s warning. They allowed the Christian right to take over the party and now they have become so powerful that even traditional conservatives do the bidding of the religious right on command. Barry Goldwater had the courage to stand up to these extremists and made his decisions in the Senate according to what he thought best for America as a whole. He defended religious freedom guaranteed by the Constitution and saw the Christian right as a major threat to that freedom.

It is time for conservatives to wake up and realize what the Christian right has done to the Republican Party and America. They must honor true conservatism and banish the religious right from their movement before their doctrine of hatred and division destroys the nation Goldwater loved. Goldwater’s views regarding the economy and Social Security are rather extreme but that’s why he believed in compromising. His willingness to stand against the extremists in his own party and his willingness to compromise makes him a better person and politician than any conservative today. His views were far tamer than those of present day conservatives. Goldwater had a mind of his own and he never allowed people to brainwash him or control him. It is a testament to the great character this man possessed. Barry Goldwater should be admired for his strength to reject extremists, his love of the American people, and his patriotism. But Republicans have moved so far to the right that even Barry Goldwater would be considered a hard-core liberal. Conservatives like Goldwater would be wise to follow his example and take back their party in his name before the extremists tear the fabric of America asunder.

Qtec
05-14-2012, 03:27 AM
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The Religious Right pick and choose which sins are worse than others. Right now, these Christians, followers of Jesus, are hot on gays. This despite the fact that jesus never said anything about gays.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stephen Colbert on Thursday was still “reeling” from President Obama’s announcement this week that “he is gay.”

“I have to assume that’s the reason he supports gay marriage,” Colbert said. But Colbert is a marriage “originalist” — he believes it’s a relationship between one man and that man’s rib. Colbert wanted to read viewers Jesus’ words on homosexuality, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>but he never said anything about it.</span>

“Evidently Jesus was so filled with rage that he was speechless,” Colbert said. “I am confident he condemned it all the time in private, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>when he was hanging out with those other 12 dudes at their elaborate dinner parties, where they all sat on the same side of the table, just living the bachelor life together, drinking wine and working on their washboard abs.</span>”

Watch the video: </div></div>

link (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/stephen-colbert-gay-marriage-obama-jesus.php)


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eg8r
05-14-2012, 07:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Religious Right pick and choose which sins are worse than others.</div></div>All humans do. As I understand the Bible are sins are the same except the ultimate sin which is to "know" God and then to walk away.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This despite the fact that jesus never said anything about gays.

</div></div>So the Old Testament should be nullified?

eg8r

Qtec
05-14-2012, 07:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the Old Testament should be nullified?

eg8r </div></div>


YES. It has nothing to do with the teachings of JC.


Do you know how far it is from Egypt to the promised land?

It says in the OT that the Jews wandered for 40 yrs or so?

When a large group of people wander around in circles for 40 yrs, there are signs.

To date, not one single piece of evidence have ever been found to support this Fairy Tale.

Strange. Its like it never happened.

Q

cushioncrawler
05-14-2012, 07:25 PM
Jewish slaves in egypt -- nope.
Exodus - nope.
Red Sea -- nope.
Wandering -- nope. 40yrs -- nope.
Moses -- nope.
12 Tribes -- nope.
Commandments -- nope.
Cecil B DeMille -- yes.
mac.

But a small band of jews did travel from egypt -- and they did start the story.
mac.

Qtec
05-14-2012, 07:28 PM
Heretic. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


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cushioncrawler
05-14-2012, 10:10 PM
In 1996, he told Bob Dole, whose own presidential campaign received lukewarm support from conservative Republicans: "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?"[63] In that same year, with Senator Dennis DeConcini, Goldwater endorsed an Arizona initiative to legalize medical marijuana against the countervailing opinion of social conservatives.[64]

Gayle in MD
05-14-2012, 10:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jewish slaves in egypt -- nope.
Exodus - nope.
Red Sea -- nope.
Wandering -- nope. 40yrs -- nope.
Moses -- nope.
12 Tribes -- nope.
Commandments -- nope.
Cecil B DeMille -- yes.
mac.


<span style="color: #990000">LOL </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

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But a small band of jews did travel from egypt -- and they did start the story.
mac.
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<span style="color: #990000"> </span> That's funny. The same thing happened on Wall St., and that was a BS story, too. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

hondo
05-14-2012, 10:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

</div></div>So the Old Testament should be nullified?

eg8r [/quote]

The Pharisees and the Sadducees were strict keepers of the LAW.
We know how Jesus felt about them. Think, eggie, think.
Almost everything Jesus said and did they found to be in violation of OT Law. This is why they had him crucified.
Also, have you ever heard of the New Covenant? No, probably not.

Note to Larry Wilson. No need to adopt your nasty little pseudo-Christian spewer of hate persona. That was just one post that I couldn't resist. Somebody needs to try and educate eggie from time to time.( Certainly, your persona johnny knows nothing about the teachings of our Savior.) I'm not really back.
One more note to Larry Wilson. Have you never been in a bar and had somebody either in anger or in jest tell you to bite them or suck their wanger or kiss their azz? Larry, it doesn't mean that they want to have sex with you. Really, it doesn't. You and your alter ego are either incredibly stupid or real closet cases.
Grow up. You fool no one except possibly eggie and steve.
I'm sure even yugo and sev think you're being ignorant.

DiabloViejo
05-15-2012, 12:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Religious Right pick and choose which sins are worse than others.</div></div>All humans do. As I understand the Bible are sins are the same except the ultimate sin which is to "know" God and then to walk away.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This despite the fact that jesus never said anything about gays.

</div></div>So the Old Testament should be nullified?

eg8r </div></div>

Do some reading on the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant.

Christians are to rely on the Holy Spirit for direction and not the Mosaic Law.

Mosaic Covenant New Covenant
Old covenant II Cor. 3:14 New covenant II Cor. 3:6
First covenant Heb. 8:7, 9:1 Second covenant Heb. 8:7, 10:1-9
Came by Moses John 1:17 Came by Christ Heb. 8:6, 9:15
Law of Moses Acts 13:38-39 Law of Christ Gal. 6:2
Law of sin Rom. 7:5-6 Law of righteousness Rom. 9:30-31
Law of the flesh Rom. 7:5-6 Law of the Spirit Rom. 8:2
Not of faith Gal. 3:2 Law of faith Rom. 3:27
Yoke of bondage Gal. 5:1 Law of liberty Jam. 1:25
Ended by Christ Rom. 10:4 Established by Christ Heb. 8:6, 10:9
Law of death II Cor. 3:7 Law of life Gal. 3:11, 6:8
Entangles Gal. 5:1 Makes free John 8:32, 36
A shadow Col. 2:14-17 The reality Heb. 10:1-18
Fulfilled Mat. 5:17-18 Now in force Heb. 8:6, 10:9
Leaves imperfect Heb. 7:19 Makes perfect Heb. 7:19
Glorious II Cor. 3:7 More glorious II Cor. 3:8-10
Powerless to save Heb. 9:9, 10:4 Saves to uttermost Heb. 7:25
Many sacrifices Heb. 9:12-13 One sacrifice for sin Heb. 10:12
Temporary priest Heb. 7:23 Eternal priest Heb. 7:17
Remembers sins Heb. 10:3 Forgets sins Heb. 8:12, 10:17
Yearly atonement Heb. 10:3 Eternal atonement Heb. 10:14
Priests have sin Heb. 5:1-4 Sinless priest Heb. 7:26
Aaronic priesthood &gt;Heb. 7:11 Melchisedec priesthood Heb. 5:5-10, 7:21
Out of Levi Heb 7:11 Out of Judah Heb. 7:14
Animal sacrifices Heb. 9:12 Human sacrifice Heb. 9:14-28
Earthly tabernacle Heb. 9:2 Heavenly tabernacle Heb. 8:2
Imperfect mediator Gal. 3:19 Sinless mediator I Tim. 2:5
No inheritance Rom. 4:13 Eternal inheritance Heb. 9:15
Instituted upon animal blood Heb. 9:16-22 Instituted upon blood of Christ Mat. 26-28
Law of works Rom. 3:27 Law of grace and faith John 1:17
Works wrath Rom. 4:15 Saves from wrath Rom. 5:9
Non-redeeming Heb. 10:4 Redeems Gal. 3:13, Heb. 9:12-15
Non-pleasing Ps. 40:6 Pleasing to God Heb 10:5-18
Abolishment predicted Is. 51:6 Establishment predicted Heb. 8:7
Circumcision Ex. 12:48 No circumcision Rom. 4:9-12
Made to change Heb. 7:12, Gal. 3:25 Made eternal Heb. 13:20
Faulty Heb. 8:7 Perfect James 1:25
Weak Heb. 7:18 Strong Heb. 7:25
Unprofitable Heb. 7:18 Profitable Heb. 7:19,25
Natural program Heb. 9:10-14 Spiritual program II Cor. 3:6, 18
Daily program Heb. 7:27 Finished program Heb. 10:10-18
Infirm high priests Heb. 5:2, 7:28 Perfect high priest Heb. 7:26
Made priests by law Heb. 7:12, 28 Made priests by an oath Heb. 7:21, 28
No salvation Heb. 10:2-4 Eternal salvation Heb. 5:9, 10:10
Perfected nothing Heb. 7:19 Perfects believers Heb. 7:19, 10:14
Earthly priests Heb. 5:1-4 Heavenly priest Heb. 9:24, 10:12
Repeated inability Heb. 10:11 Glorious success Heb. 10:10-18
Many offerings Heb. 9:7 One offering Heb. 10:10-14
Good promises Dt. 28:1-14 Better promises Heb. 8:6
A good covenant Rom 7:12 A better covenant Heb. 7:22, 8:6
Many high priests Heb. 7:23 One high priest Heb. 7:24-28
Typical tabernacle Heb. 9 True tabernacle Heb. 8:2, 9:11
No mercy Heb. 10:28 Complete mercy Heb. 8:12
Handmade things Heb. 9:1-5, 24 Not handmade Heb. 9:23-24
An old way Heb. 8:13 New and living way Heb. 10:19-20
Unavailing ministers Heb. 7:18 Able ministers II Cor. 3:6
Carnal ministry Heb. 9:9-10 Spiritual ministry II Cor. 3:6
Ministration of condemnation II Cor. 3:9 Ministration of righteousness II Cor. 3:9
Glory covered II Cor. 3:13 Glory uncovered II Cor. 3:18
Brings bondage Gal. 4:24-25 Brings liberty II Cor. 3:17
Cannot justify Gal. 2:16 Does justify Acts 13:38-39
Brings a curse Gal. 3:10 Redeems from the curse Gal. 3:13
Live by works Gal 3:10 Live by faith Gal. 3:11
Cannot give life Gal. 3:21 Does give life John 6:63-68
Exposes sin Gal 3:19 Covers sin Rom. 4:1-8
Under law Rom 6:14-15 Under grace Gal. 3:22-25
Done away II Cor. 3:7-14 Not done away II Cor. 3:11
Abolished II Cor. 3:13 Continues glorious II Cor. 3:11
Ministry of death II Cor. 3:7 Reconciliation ministry II Cor. 5:18
For Israel only Dt. 4:7-8, 5:3 For all men Luke 22:20, Mark 14:24

eg8r
05-17-2012, 09:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES. It has nothing to do with the teachings of JC.

</div></div>The teachings of Jesus are not the only teachings a Christian follows. So I ask again, should the Old Testament be nullified?

eg8r

hondo
05-17-2012, 10:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES. It has nothing to do with the teachings of JC.

</div></div>The teachings of Jesus are not the only teachings a Christian follows. So I ask again, should the Old Testament be nullified?

eg8r </div></div>

May be your all time stupidest post and that is really saying something.
johnny d., this is your cue. You claim to be this devout Christian. Can you explain Judaism, Christianity, and their relationship to each other to poor old eggie?
So far, every post you have made has been a childish direct attack on me. Here is your chance to prove that you really are a Christian and educate poor, clueless eggie. If you simply fire back with more insults to me and refuse to testify for Christ we will all know that you are a phony and have no knowledge of the teachings of Jesus.

eggie, if he is unable to explain the concept of Christianity to you, which I suspect will be the case, I will be back on this evening to help you.

hondo
05-17-2012, 11:01 AM
My guess is that larry wilson will intervene and explain to eggie what Christianity means.
It is possible that his johnny d. persona does not know the answer.
I have heard that in some cases of schizophrenia one personality will be privy to information that another of his personalities does not possess.
Fats, I know you could answer eggie's dilemma but this is an opportunity for johnny d. to step up. May we give him his chance?

DiabloViejo
05-17-2012, 11:14 AM
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cushioncrawler
05-17-2012, 04:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jewish slaves in egypt -- nope.
Exodus - nope.
Red Sea -- nope.
Wandering -- nope. 40yrs -- nope.
Moses -- nope.
12 Tribes -- nope.
Commandments -- nope.
Cecil B DeMille -- yes.
mac. <span style="color: #990000">LOL </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif</div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But a small band of jews did travel from egypt -- and they did start the story. mac.</div></div><span style="color: #990000"> </span> That's funny. The same thing happened on Wall St., and that was a BS story, too. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif</div></div>OR MIGHTBE IT WOZ A SMALL JEW IN A BANDhttp://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/ArugulaZ/band_hero_2.png

hondo
05-17-2012, 05:43 PM
The silence from johnny d. is deafening. BLASPHEMER! Crawl back in the snake pit you emerged from and NEVER take the Lord's name in vain again. You have been exposed!
You have no answer for eggie, do you, you pathetic hypocrite?

eggie, I will explain why your answer was so off base at 10 o'clock. Right after Person of Interest. Okay?

hondo
05-17-2012, 09:57 PM
No johnny? No surprise. LOL!
Here it is , eggie.
The Old Testament is a collection of books detailing the history of the Jewish people as they came to worship one God- I AM, also known as Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim. In the OT it is predicted that a savior of the Jewish people will eventually come - The Messiah.

The New Testament is a collection of writings which claim that this Messiah came in the form of Jesus Christ. He was far different from what the Jews were expecting.

They were expecting a Conan or Hercules type. A warrior God who would destroy their enemies. Jesus was far different from that and appeared to say many things that contradiced OT Law.

When Christ arose from the dead he told his disciples to go out and spread The Good News. Paul, a former persecutor of Jesus's followers explained what we were to believe.

Jesus was the Son of God here to live as a man and die for our sins, thus creating a New Covenant. A message not just for Jews but for all who believe. These followers were called Christians and the faith was called Christianity. Thus all of Christianity is either the direct words of Jesus or his teachings as expounded by Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Thus to say that Christianity has a lot more sources than Christ?
Perhaps Romney and the Mormons might believe that but no true Christian would.

eg8r
05-18-2012, 01:04 AM
It is a shame that people have the Bible and refuse to read it. Oh well, at least the fool isn't teaching any more.

eg8r

Qtec
05-18-2012, 03:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a shame that people have the Bible and refuse to read it. </div></div>

The problem is people have read it and pointed out the inconsistencies and the total lack of proof for many of its claims.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him." - Genesis 2:18[1]
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So God made a mistake?????????

Q

Qtec
05-18-2012, 03:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Fall of Man
Main article: Fall of Man

The Serpent, "slyer than every beast of the field," tempts the woman to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, telling her that it will make her more like God, and that it will not lead to death. After some thought, the woman decides to take from the tree and eat it. She then gives the fruit to the man, who eats also, "and the eyes of the two of them were opened." Aware now of their nakedness, they make coverings of fig leaves, and hide from the sight of God. God asks them what they have done, and man and woman defer responsibility. The man blames the woman for giving him the fruit, but implies a sentiment that God is also at fault for making the woman in the first place </div></div>

Now we know why there is a war on women from the RRW, they deserve it.

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Gayle in MD
05-18-2012, 06:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Fall of Man
Main article: Fall of Man

The Serpent, "slyer than every beast of the field," tempts the woman to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, telling her that it will make her more like God, and that it will not lead to death. After some thought, the woman decides to take from the tree and eat it. She then gives the fruit to the man, who eats also, "and the eyes of the two of them were opened." Aware now of their nakedness, they make coverings of fig leaves, and hide from the sight of God. God asks them what they have done, and man and woman defer responsibility. The man blames the woman for giving him the fruit, but implies a sentiment that God is also at fault for making the woman in the first place </div></div>

Now we know why there is a war on women from the RRW, they deserve it.

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<span style="color: #CC0000"> The link between misogyny and hate, radical religiosity and insanity is undeniable.</span>

hondo
05-18-2012, 05:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a shame that people have the Bible and refuse to read it. Oh well, at least the fool isn't teaching any more.

eg8r </div></div>

Well, I see that was a waste of time.Some folks are just too stupid to learn. eggie, don't you feel kind've dirty after you make your ignorant replies? Like maybe you need a shower?
I wasted quite a bit of time trying to educate you last night but you're just too stupid to make an intelligent reply.
You and larry wilson/ johnny d. make a nice pair.
I'll not waste any more time on you. Crawl back in your snakepit with your fellow pseudo " Christians." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

hondo
05-18-2012, 05:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a shame that I refuse to try and understand the concept of Christianity. Oh well, at least Hondo won't try to teach a fool like me any more.

eg8r </div></div>

Fixed that for you. I'm sure that's what you really meant.
Surely a real Christian like you wouldn't be calling someone a fool just because they tried to explain it to you? Right?
You're not that petty and close-minded? Right? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

eg8r
05-21-2012, 02:14 AM
So now you want to include the Old Testament? Make your mind up qtip, either you want to stick to only Jesus' statements or not. Again, ignore honduh, his view of the Bible is the most whacked out thing I have ever seen.

You mentioned something about what Jesus said, and I asked if the Old Testament is nullified. The WV hillbilly jumped in because he has no one else to talk to and yet again proved why it is best that he quit teaching. I asked again about the Old Testament and now you are quoting it. So, is it relevant only when you want to use it and especially only when you want to chop out what it actually says?

To answer your question directly, no God did not make a mistake. As you point out he made a partner for Adam, a woman and called her Eve NOT Steve.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-21-2012, 12:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES. It has nothing to do with the teachings of JC.

</div></div>The teachings of Jesus are not the only teachings a Christian follows. So I ask again, should the Old Testament be nullified?

eg8r </div></div>

May be your all time stupidest post and that is really saying something.
johnny d., this is your cue. You claim to be this devout Christian. Can you explain Judaism, Christianity, and their relationship to each other to poor old eggie?
So far, every post you have made has been a childish direct attack on me. Here is your chance to prove that you really are a Christian and educate poor, clueless eggie. If you simply fire back with more insults to me and refuse to testify for Christ we will all know that you are a phony and have no knowledge of the teachings of Jesus.

eggie, if he is unable to explain the concept of Christianity to you, which I suspect will be the case, I will be back on this evening to help you. </div></div>




<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May be your all time stupidest post and that is really saying something.
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<span style="color: #990000">LOL, maybe you should take another look at this one before you decide, lol. </span>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you feel like a big boy now that you get to use those "grown up words"? It looks juvenile. Besides that, customers do not create, that is the reason why they are called consumers. I am well aware of the role each group plays in the economy but the fact is customers do not create anything other than demand and demand cannot be there if the product was not there in the first place, which it cannot be there unless someone with some money fronted a business and hired people to perform the job to create that good or service to be sold.

eg8r

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hondo
05-21-2012, 01:57 PM
Q, please don't reply to that post. eggie is obviously incapable of understanding even the simplest of concepts.
I explain the correlation of NT and OT and why he has to be careful connecting the dots and all he responds with is his dumb hillbilly shtict ( sp?) again.
The best part of little eggie ran down his old man's leg.
And, no, eggie, you wouldn't have had me for class. I never taught special ed and even with NCLB you still would have been too far behind to have me for English lit.
How about quieting down and let the adults talk?

eg8r
05-22-2012, 12:57 AM
LOL, sorry buddy but your attempt failed miserably. The fact is those kids are better off you quit.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 06:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, sorry buddy but your attempt failed miserably. The fact is those kids are better off you quit.

eg8r </div></div>

Another personal attack.

G.

hondo
05-22-2012, 06:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, sorry buddy but your attempt failed miserably. The fact is those kids are better off you quit.

eg8r </div></div>

Another personal attack.

G. </div></div>

Gayle, was he always this bad? I remember being able to have a civil conversation with him mostly until his time of the month came and he would briefly turn on everyone.
Now, it appears that he will only listen to the klan on here.
He's turned into a bitter, anal-retentive pawn for dub's klan.

I spent a lot of time trying to explain the transition from the OT to the NT ansd why it was an error to take anything out of context in the OT.
Instead of reading it and making an attempt at comprehension, he parrots the lww/johnnt d. character and whines about my teaching skills.

He reminds me of some of my slower students who used to whine that it was a dumb book that I had assigned them because they couldn't understand the big words in it.
It's easier for eggie to call me a bad teacher than to try and comprehend what I was telling him.
What a sad state on his ( lack of) intellect.

Oh, well, I tried. I'll pretty much ignore him. Even his insults are petty and sophomoric.

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 06:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, sorry buddy but your attempt failed miserably. The fact is those kids are better off you quit.

eg8r </div></div>

Another personal attack.

G. </div></div>

Gayle, was he always this bad? I remember being able to have a civil conversation with him mostly until his time of the month came and he would briefly turn on everyone.
Now, it appears that he will only listen to the klan on here.
He's turned into a bitter, anal-retentive pawn for dub's klan.

I spent a lot of time trying to explain the transition from the OT to the NT ansd why it was an error to take anything out of context in the OT.
Instead of reading it and making an attempt at comprehension, he parrots the lww/johnnt d. character and whines about my teaching skills.

He reminds me of some of my slower students who used to whine that it was a dumb book that I had assigned them because they couldn't understand the big words in it.
It's easier for eggie to call me a bad teacher than to try and comprehend what I was telling him.
What a sad state on his ( lack of) intellect.

Oh, well, I tried. I'll pretty much ignore him. Even his insults are petty and sophomoric. </div></div>

He loves to irritate others. That's what makes him happy. When he is proven wrong, he attacks.

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eg8r
05-22-2012, 07:58 AM
LOL, honduh loves a good copycat.


eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 01:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, honduh loves a good copycat.


eg8r </div></div>

More personal attacks. You never tire of attacking others.

G.

eg8r
05-23-2012, 02:39 AM
More copycat. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r