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DiabloViejo
05-21-2012, 11:08 PM
Limbaugh’s Ratings Plummet After ‘Slut’ Rant
May 21, 2012
By Kimberley Johnson
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It’s no surprise that Liar Limbaugh continues to mislead the public by claiming his ratings are still surging after calling Sandra Fluke a “slut” and “prostitute.” Many of his loyal listeners, who want so much to believe their fearful leader, tweet and post the regurgitated lie about how the show is doing better than ever.

The Truth: Politico reported on Monday that Abritron’s key demographic ratings between March 29 and April 25 showed Limbaugh’s show had fallen 27 percent in New York City, 31 percent in Houston, 35 percent in Jacksonville and 40 percent in the Seattle-Tacoma market.

Initially, Limbaugh boasted an increase in overall ratings, anywhere between 10 – 60%. He explained that one station may have gone up 12% and another up 33% but that all combined resulted in a ratings bonanza for the misogynist. One radio insider told Dylan Byers of Politico, “The most likely reason for these shifts is that Limbaugh talked about Sandra Fluke at the beginning of March, so it brought in a lot of non-regular listeners. Now that the issue has more or less passed, those people aren’t listening anymore.” Kind of like a zoo that acquires a new baboon. It attracts some new visitors but once they’ve seen the primate, they move on to another attraction. This is what happened to Limbaugh’s radio program. Eventually the numbers decreased because the freak show was over.

One listener commented, “Clearly Sandra Fluke isn’t the only one who didn’t like Rush calling her a ‘slut’ given how many viewers that comment incinerated.”

In a desperate attempt to prove that he’s still in the game, Limbaugh set up a Facebook page titled Rush Babes For America to combat the “Slut” firestorm that emerged quickly after the Fluke attack. It’s curious that in two of the eleven posts, how to like the page is described in detail…for those who have not yet figured it out yet. Says a lot about what he thinks of his listeners.

If you recall, roughly about this time last year the loveable Glenn Beck experienced an ad boycott that resulted in the demise of his television program. Beck called Obama a racist and that was a huge part of why he’s no longer on the air.

These conservative talk show hosts are going too far with their dishonest hate speech and the public is proof-positive that even though we still have the right to free speech, hate speech and lies are not a winning strategy. In fact, they eventually result in a backlash against the show.

Rush, your ratings have decreased. Numbers don’t lie but you do, and more and more people are realizing that your days are numbered.

Kimberley A. Johnson is an author and The Spokeswoman for Rock The Slut Vote, an organization standing up and fighting the war on women. Find her on Facebook, Twitter and “like” the Rock The Slut Vote Facebook page

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 06:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Limbaugh’s Ratings Plummet After ‘Slut’ Rant
May 21, 2012
By Kimberley Johnson
Addicting Info (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/21/limbaughs-ratings-plummet/)

http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/90524032-rush-limbaugh-300x236.jpg


It’s no surprise that Liar Limbaugh continues to mislead the public by claiming his ratings are still surging after calling Sandra Fluke a “slut” and “prostitute.” Many of his loyal listeners, who want so much to believe their fearful leader, tweet and post the regurgitated lie about how the show is doing better than ever.

The Truth: Politico reported on Monday that Abritron’s key demographic ratings between March 29 and April 25 showed Limbaugh’s show had fallen 27 percent in New York City, 31 percent in Houston, 35 percent in Jacksonville and 40 percent in the Seattle-Tacoma market.

Initially, Limbaugh boasted an increase in overall ratings, anywhere between 10 – 60%. He explained that one station may have gone up 12% and another up 33% but that all combined resulted in a ratings bonanza for the misogynist. One radio insider told Dylan Byers of Politico, “The most likely reason for these shifts is that Limbaugh talked about Sandra Fluke at the beginning of March, so it brought in a lot of non-regular listeners. Now that the issue has more or less passed, those people aren’t listening anymore.” Kind of like a zoo that acquires a new baboon. It attracts some new visitors but once they’ve seen the primate, they move on to another attraction. This is what happened to Limbaugh’s radio program. Eventually the numbers decreased because the freak show was over.

One listener commented, “Clearly Sandra Fluke isn’t the only one who didn’t like Rush calling her a ‘slut’ given how many viewers that comment incinerated.”

In a desperate attempt to prove that he’s still in the game, Limbaugh set up a Facebook page titled Rush Babes For America to combat the “Slut” firestorm that emerged quickly after the Fluke attack. It’s curious that in two of the eleven posts, how to like the page is described in detail…for those who have not yet figured it out yet. Says a lot about what he thinks of his listeners.

If you recall, roughly about this time last year the loveable Glenn Beck experienced an ad boycott that resulted in the demise of his television program. Beck called Obama a racist and that was a huge part of why he’s no longer on the air.

These conservative talk show hosts are going too far with their dishonest hate speech and the public is proof-positive that even though we still have the right to free speech, hate speech and lies are not a winning strategy. In fact, they eventually result in a backlash against the show.

Rush, your ratings have decreased. Numbers don’t lie but you do, and more and more people are realizing that your days are numbered.

Kimberley A. Johnson is an author and The Spokeswoman for Rock The Slut Vote, an organization standing up and fighting the war on women. Find her on Facebook, Twitter and “like” the Rock The Slut Vote Facebook page </div></div>

I'm thrilled over the barrage against Limpballs.

In fact, I'm thrilled over how thoroughly Republicans have displayed their misogynistic, racist, sexist and Homophobic attitudes and policies.

Romney is still over twenty points behind the president in the women's vote.

Rush has never been anything but a deviant and a con artist, who figured out that the way to riches for him was to exploit the angry, maladjusted ignorant right, simply by providing plenty of hate for the demented religious right, aka the radical anachronistic Republican Party, to suck up and savor.

Knuckle Dragging Neanderthals! Perfect description of Republiicans.


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Qtec
05-22-2012, 07:31 AM
What I want to know from the RW on the board is why we should listen to a single word from the pill-popping, Viagra slicking , prostitute frequenter , race baiting, fat tub of lard has to say on any subject!

Q

eg8r
05-22-2012, 09:32 AM
The beauty of capitalism. Let it work and it always works.

eg8r

Sid_Vicious
05-22-2012, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The beauty of capitalism. Let it work and it always works.

eg8r </div></div>

Where was that "beauty of capatalism" when the Dixie Chicks gave Bush a shot? I guess it makes sense that you follow Rush, selectively. You are something else Ed. sid

eg8r
05-22-2012, 09:56 AM
Once again that was the beauty of capitalism. If you speak out and the masses do not like what you say they respond by not buying your product. That is the beauty of capitalism. The problem is that you only like it when it suits you and I on the other hand acknowledge it whether it suits me or not.

It is quite obvious that the shot you took to your head that funny day at the bar has impacted your ability to think. In praising capitalism I am showing happiness that the public is making an impact. They did not like what Rush said and the ratings are plummeting. I would have thought that even an idiot like yourself could figure that one out.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 11:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again that was the beauty of capitalism. If you speak out and the masses do not like what you say they respond by not buying your product. That is the beauty of capitalism. The problem is that you only like it when it suits you and I on the other hand acknowledge it whether it suits me or not.

It is quite obvious that the shot you took to your head that funny day at the bar has impacted your ability to think. In praising capitalism I am showing happiness that the public is making an impact. They did not like what Rush said and the ratings are plummeting. I would have thought that even an idiot like yourself could figure that one out.

eg8r </div></div>

Again you prove yourself unable to write a post without personal insults.

G.

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 11:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know from the RW on the board is why we should listen to a single word from the pill-popping, Viagra slicking , prostitute frequenter , race baiting, fat tub of lard has to say on any subject!

Q </div></div>

What I'd like to know is why they are drawn to such a freaking POS!

Takes all kinds, I guess.

G.

Gayle in MD
05-22-2012, 12:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The beauty of capitalism. Let it work and it always works.

eg8r </div></div>

Where was that "beauty of capatalism" when the Dixie Chicks gave Bush a shot? I guess it makes sense that you follow Rush, selectively. You are something else Ed. sid </div></div>

Hey Sid, it comforts me knowing that the Dixie Chicks are doing just fine, making money, traveling where ever they like, very much approval since their original statements and attitudes about Bush, proved to be reasonable and on target, while George Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, are all so hated and disrespected all over the world, for their lies, murders, war crimes, and overall corruption, they can't even leave the country, or they risk being arrested for War Crimes.

Love it!

G.

Soflasnapper
05-22-2012, 02:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again that was the beauty of capitalism. If you speak out and the masses do not like what you say they respond by not buying your product. That is the beauty of capitalism. The problem is that you only like it when it suits you and I on the other hand acknowledge it whether it suits me or not.

It is quite obvious that the shot you took to your head that funny day at the bar has impacted your ability to think. In praising capitalism I am showing happiness that the public is making an impact. They did not like what Rush said and the ratings are plummeting. I would have thought that even an idiot like yourself could figure that one out.

eg8r </div></div>

This has nothing to do with capitalism at all. I don't know in what respect you think it does.

Clearly enough, it could also happen in a socialist country of any description, or a communist country, if they used money as they all have.

eg8r
05-23-2012, 02:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This has nothing to do with capitalism at all. I don't know in what respect you think it does.

</div></div>It absolutely does. If people are not listening then the advertisers are not paying for time slots. If the advertisers are not buying up slots then the radio station is not making any money. If the station is not profiting then they are going to drop the talent. How on earth you don't understand such a simple concept is beyond me.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
05-23-2012, 09:43 AM
It's a market response, yes, but that is not enough to differentiate capitalism from other economic systems.

It could have been the same thing in the Soviet Union, or in Sweden or any socialist system in between or further, as long as there are consumers with the ability to buy this and not buy that. Nearly all economic systems extant today have markets working in them, and that includes the communist Peoples' Republic of China. You're confused on this subject of markets equal capitalism.

Here's a hint for the future: if you are confused as to why I would say something, or think I don't understand something, yes, you are confused. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

eg8r
05-23-2012, 10:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're confused on this subject of markets equal capitalism.
</div></div>LOL, you wish. This is capitalism. We are in America, and this privately held company is making economic decisions in our capitalist society based on supply and demand. Definition for capitalism...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.</div></div>That fits this specific example to a T.

As far as me being confused you are darn right. You seemed to be one of the few that had the smarts and common sense but on this subject you really are proving the old wives tale that you have book smarts but your real world smarts are leaving you hanging.

eg8r

LWW
05-23-2012, 12:12 PM
The amazing thing is how easily the cabal is pimped on all things Limbaugh.

Had they followed the data back to the source they would know that:

1 - Ratings were up in the month following the incident.

2 - The month after that month ratings were down from the previous month, but still up over what they were before the incident.

3 - The OP's "SOURCE" hand selected markets where the show was down, while ignoring that in other major markets ratings were up almost 80%.

But, in fairness, it was the lie they wanted to hear ... so repeating it with blind obedience is, sadly, expected.

DiabloViejo
05-23-2012, 01:21 PM
[quote=LWW]The amazing thing is how easily the cabal is pimped on all things Limbaugh.

Had they followed the data back to the source they would know that:

1 - Ratings were up in the month following the incident.

<span style="color: #000099">Guess you missed this:

"Initially, Limbaugh boasted an increase in overall ratings, anywhere between 10 – 60%. He explained that one station may have gone up 12% and another up 33% but that all combined resulted in a ratings bonanza for the misogynist. One radio insider told Dylan Byers of Politico, “The most likely reason for these shifts is that Limbaugh talked about Sandra Fluke at the beginning of March, so it brought in a lot of non-regular listeners. Now that the issue has more or less passed, those people aren’t listening anymore.” Kind of like a zoo that acquires a new baboon. It attracts some new visitors but once they’ve seen the primate, they move on to another attraction. This is what happened to Limbaugh’s radio program. Eventually the numbers decreased because the freak show was ove</span>r."

2 - The month after that month ratings were down from the previous month, but still up over what they were before the incident.

<span style="color: #000099">Link?</span>

3 - The OP's "SOURCE" hand selected markets where the show was down, while ignoring that in other major markets ratings were up almost 80%.

<span style="color: #000099">Here’s how Limbaugh’s numbers shook out in other major markets in the 12-plus demo:
Los Angeles: No change in March; no change in April.
Chicago: 6 percent increase in March; 8 percent decline in April.
Dallas: 16 percent increase in March; 2 percent increase in April.
Houston: 3 percent increase in March; 16 percent decline in April.
Miami: 21 percent increase in March; 19 percent decline in Apr</span>il.

But, in fairness, it was the lie they wanted to hear ... so repeating it with blind obedience is, sadly, expected.

<span style="color: #000099">More </span><span style="color: #000099">BS</span>.

<span style="color: #000099">Rush still does well in the older right wing curmudgeon demographic (55+ years old, but among 25 to 54 year old listeners he has experienced a sharp decline. (The 24 to 54 demographic is much more attractive to advertisers than the older demographic.</span>

<span style="color: #000099">Anyway you slice it, it's not good news for Rush.</span>

Sev
05-23-2012, 01:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know from the RW on the board is why we should listen to a single word from the pill-popping, Viagra slicking , prostitute frequenter , race baiting, fat tub of lard has to say on any subject!

Q </div></div>

What I'd like to know is why they are drawn to such a freaking POS!

Takes all kinds, I guess.

G. </div></div>

I seem to recall somebody voting for an admitted drug abuser who is doing a pretty fair job at killing and getting people killed across the globe.
How anybody could be attracted to that POS is beyond me.

Gayle in MD
05-24-2012, 04:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know from the RW on the board is why we should listen to a single word from the pill-popping, Viagra slicking , prostitute frequenter , race baiting, fat tub of lard has to say on any subject!

Q </div></div>

What I'd like to know is why they are drawn to such a freaking POS!

Takes all kinds, I guess.

G. </div></div>

I seem to recall somebody voting for an admitted drug abuser who is doing a pretty fair job at killing and getting people killed across the globe.
How anybody could be attracted to that POS is beyond me. </div></div>

LMAO!

So you're comparing a brilliant, polished, graceful man, who is a Havard Law School Graduate, and had the misfortune of having to bring this economy out of the Bush pit, having inheriting George Bush's unprecedented borrowing, growing the government, creating a collapsed economy, two unfinished, unpaid for wars, trillions charged on the national credit cars in unpaid for entitlemennts, and left behind him an impending Depression, trillions in borrowed debt, and losing over 800,000 jobs a month, unprecedented REpublican Obstructionism, annd yet he has turned the corner, jobs are coming back, the market is great, Iraq is finally over with, Obama got bin Laden, has negotiated a withdrawel date from Afghanistan, and has stood up for equal rights, and creating a fair econmy that doesn't redistribute all of the wealth, to the crooks at the top, yet yuou compare this man, to a Fat, loud, ugly, drug abusing, prostitute buying, nasty, repulsive, offensive mound of wasted humanity like Rush Limpballs?

That's quite a statement as regards your values.

G.

Sev
05-24-2012, 07:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know from the RW on the board is why we should listen to a single word from the pill-popping, Viagra slicking , prostitute frequenter , race baiting, fat tub of lard has to say on any subject!

Q </div></div>

What I'd like to know is why they are drawn to such a freaking POS!

Takes all kinds, I guess.

G. </div></div>

I seem to recall somebody voting for an admitted drug abuser who is doing a pretty fair job at killing and getting people killed across the globe.
How anybody could be attracted to that POS is beyond me. </div></div>

LMAO!

So you're comparing a brilliant, polished, graceful man, who is a Havard Law School Graduate, and had the misfortune of having to bring this economy out of the Bush pit, having inheriting George Bush's unprecedented borrowing, growing the government, creating a collapsed economy, two unfinished, unpaid for wars, trillions charged on the national credit cars in unpaid for entitlemennts, and left behind him an impending Depression, trillions in borrowed debt, and losing over 800,000 jobs a month, unprecedented REpublican Obstructionism, annd yet he has turned the corner, jobs are coming back, the market is great, Iraq is finally over with, Obama got bin Laden, has negotiated a withdrawel date from Afghanistan, and has stood up for equal rights, and creating a fair econmy that doesn't redistribute all of the wealth, to the crooks at the top, yet yuou compare this man, to a Fat, loud, ugly, drug abusing, prostitute buying, nasty, repulsive, offensive mound of wasted humanity like Rush Limpballs?

That's quite a statement as regards your values.

G.

</div></div>

Unfortunately Obama is neither polished or brilliant. Harvard is not all that. The fact of the matter is that if Obama had been arrested, processed and convicted for his use of cocaine and pot he would not have been eligible to be president. He would have been just another brown skinned statistic in the system.

Obama seems to be doing a pretty fair job of following the Bush Doctrine. Which I find pretty amusing. I guess that over 60% of US soldier deaths happening in Afghanistan under Obama is acceptable. Not a peep about that.

I would not be looking at the market as an leading indicator. For the most part it is following its own path. Greece is going to default and Spain and France may be right behind them. The reaction of the market to that is not known.

We are tucking tail and running out of Afghanistan due to missteps by members of the military and administration. However we will have boots on the ground till 2024. Afghanistan is destined to fall into anarchy.

Then there is the assassination of US citizens over seas. If Bush had given that order the left would have went wild about due process. However when Obama orders it it is acceptable to kill citizens that oppose the government. Not that I don't personally think US Jihadists operating in foreign lands don't have it coming. Its about the principle though.

Then there is the rising use of drones within the US. Including military grade and the concerns of the right to privacy. You would think Obama would be on the side of the ACLU on this being he on the left. Its only a matter of time when they start using armed drones.
Obama did however re-approve the Patriot act so his true feeling on the right to privacy and freedom is pretty clear.

Jobs are not coming back. Mass layoffs are still occurring and rose by almost 12% in April. HP is laying off 27,000 workers.
Florida just had 70 mass layoffs in April. Colorado had 12. IL had a 30% surge in unemployment claims.
First time unemployment claims are still running at around 370,000 a week and about 342,00 dropped out of the work force in April. Thats and additional 85,500 individuals a week that are not even talked about.
Only 115,000 jobs were created in April which does not even keep up with population growth.
The worker participation is the lowest in US history and shows no signs of reversing. It is that number that allows the false claim of 8.1% unemployment rate.
Actual unemployment U-6 unemployment number is 14.5%. Unemployment for the youth is at a whopping 24%.
The CBO is warning of a fiscal cliff approaching and a possible return to negative growth and another recession depending on how the Bush tax cuts and sequester are handled.
The housing market is still dead.
GDP is projected to be 1.7% for the year now.

Home prices bumped up .6% last month however the amount of borrowers that have homes underwater increased to 31.4%
Areas such as Vegas have 71% of borrowers underwater and values down by 62%.
The government numbers on housing starts have a margin of error of 14.8%. The government reported a 2.6% increase in April. However with the margin of error it could have been as high as 17.4% or a decline of 12.2%.
In March the margin of error was 15.9%, February was 15.6% and January was 16.8%
More false numbers to be juggled.
The poverty level under Obama has risen to 15.1% and stands at 46.2 million Americans with minorities being hit the hardest when you scale the numbers.
The spending on food stamps has more than doubled in the last 4 years.
Over 46 million people are now on food stamps. That's 15% of the US population. Which is up 5% from last year.
The situation with the healthcare law is another debacle. The mandate may actually be in trouble because of a law that Schummer and Kennedy had a hand in years ago. The administration is being sued using that law as its basis.
More and more doctors are not accepting Medicaid due to decreases in reimbursement and there is an increasing trend of companies dropping healthcare completely.
Meanwhile healthcare costs continue to increase.
Due to the unknowns in the healthcare law amongst other things, companies are still not investing in equipment and are not hiring.
The US debt now stands at over 15,742,000,000,000 and shows no sign of slowing in the rate of increase. Generational debt has been assured by the actions of the US government. The possibility of a monetary and economic collapse is still very real.

No. The country is not in good shape and shows little sign of actually recovering.

Obama has had 4 years to work his magic.
Its his economy now. Continuing to blame Bush is nothing more than an excuse to deflect from this administrations failures.

Stretch
05-24-2012, 08:19 AM
You are correct with one thing. It would have taken a magician to wave his magic wand and make everything just peachy within 4 years with the amount of obstructionism that passes for government.

Where is Merlin when you need him? These mortals suck at enacting sweeping change. St.

Sev
05-24-2012, 12:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are correct with one thing. It would have taken a magician to wave his magic wand and make everything just peachy within 4 years with the amount of obstructionism that passes for government.

Where is Merlin when you need him? These mortals suck at enacting sweeping change. St. </div></div>

I am correct with just more than 1 thing.

Obama made substantial claims in such things as cutting the deficit in half and shovel ready jobs.
He made promises and has failed to produce.
He has been ill prepared and ill equipped to successfully deal with what has occurred.
Spin it however you want. However Obama has failed to meet the expectations that were raised by all the hype.
Its only 5 months till the election. Chances of any significant positive change in the economy between now and then is doubtful.
Uncertainty in the EU and the prospects of defaults as well as Greece going back to the Drachma may have negative economic impacts in the the US by the time the election rolls around. Chinas manufacturing sector has shrank for the 7 straight month in May. The continued drop in export demand is weakening China's economy. The world bank projecting that economic growth will shrink to 8.2% from 9.2%
The East Asia growth is expected to shrink in its entirety from 8.2% to 7.6%. Overall that is down from 10% in 2010.

As the experts are often surprised its quite possible that the economic contraction will be greater than they are currently predicting.

Soflasnapper
05-24-2012, 03:17 PM
He has been ill prepared and ill equipped to successfully deal with what has occurred.

Nobody is well prepared or well equipped to be the president, let alone deal with a nearly unprecedented situation, except a president who has been there and doing it. Or a vice president in the same circumstances, I guess.

So, unless we could find a 2nd or 3rd term FDR available, there is no one better experienced and prepared and equipped to do this job than Obama.

One might be tempted to say 'Reagan proved deficits don't matter' Cheney, but he did not have the experience of dealing with this level of economic distress (even if he did help create it).

Don't make me laugh at the suggestion that Romney is that person.

The 47th 'best' job creation record for his state when he was governor? The ability to 'save' the Olympics by getting large government subsidies? Or the great job experience of making a ton of money by borrowing a ton of money to incumber his victim companies, sucking out their assets and credit, to leave them bankrupt along side the road and cost the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars to cover their pensions?

Romney's record is to personally profit, and profit his business partners, by using unsound borrowing. Is that really what we need?

Sev
05-24-2012, 06:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He has been ill prepared and ill equipped to successfully deal with what has occurred.

Nobody is well prepared or well equipped to be the president, let alone deal with a nearly unprecedented situation, except a president who has been there and doing it. Or a vice president in the same circumstances, I guess.

So, unless we could find a 2nd or 3rd term FDR available, there is no one better experienced and prepared and equipped to do this job than Obama.

One might be tempted to say 'Reagan proved deficits don't matter' Cheney, but he did not have the experience of dealing with this level of economic distress (even if he did help create it).

Don't make me laugh at the suggestion that Romney is that person.

The 47th 'best' job creation record for his state when he was governor? The ability to 'save' the Olympics by getting large government subsidies? Or the great job experience of making a ton of money by borrowing a ton of money to incumber his victim companies, sucking out their assets and credit, to leave them bankrupt along side the road and cost the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars to cover their pensions?

Romney's record is to personally profit, and profit his business partners, by using unsound borrowing. Is that really what we need? </div></div>

Please point out where I brought Romney up. Who I have never once suggested or stated that I am supporting.

You epic deflection is duly noted.

eg8r
05-25-2012, 03:22 AM
He mentioned Romney because he is referring to "moving forward" and who has more experience in dealing with this economy then Obama. Well to be honest every politician that was in place when Obama took over have the same experience as Obama. They might not all be in on every meeting Obama has but he does not live in a bubble and all that information is passed around and legislation does not happen because of Obama.

As far as Romney fixing the problem, I don't know that he can but seeing the miserable failure Obama has become I don't see why a very successful business man could do much worse. I have stated that I will not be voting for Romney but that doesn't mean he could not do a better job financially than Obama.

eg8r

Sev
05-25-2012, 06:17 AM
The only solution that will work is to re-industrialize and become the premier manufacturer in the world again.
Manufacturing and exportation grows GDP.

To do that it will be needful to put much of the power the federal government has accumulated in the grave.

Qtec
05-25-2012, 06:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as Romney fixing the problem, I don't know that he can but seeing <span style='font-size: 20pt'>the miserable failure Obama has become </span>I don't see why a very successful business man could do much worse. I have stated that I will not be voting for Romney but that doesn't mean he could not do a better job financially than Obama.

eg8r </div></div>

That's a lie by any means.

Remember that stimulus spending that YOU were so against and claimed it was a failure?

Your guy likes to quote the CBO. Here they are.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>CBO: Stimulus added up to 3.3M jobs
</span>
The economy would have been in<span style='font-size: 17pt'> much worse shape without the 2009 stimulus </span>— which increased employment in the third quarter of this year by as many as 3.3 million full-time jobs, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.

Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates have blasted the $800 billion pumped into the economy through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act <span style='font-size: 17pt'>as a waste of taxpayer dollars that failed to put people back to work.</span>

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68965.html#ixzz1vspoeWNd
</div></div>

Who do you believe now?



<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Eric Cantor, Rush Limbaugh, the CBO or your own non factual based illusions?</span>

Q.......

Qtec
05-25-2012, 06:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He mentioned Romney because he is referring to "moving forward" and who has more experience in dealing with this economy then Obama. Well to be honest every politician that was in place when Obama took over have the same experience as Obama. They might not all be in on every meeting Obama has but he does not live in a bubble and all that information is passed around and legislation does not happen because of Obama.

As far as Romney fixing the problem, I don't know that he can but seeing the miserable failure Obama has become I don't see why a very successful business man could do much worse. I have stated that I will not be voting for Romney but that doesn't mean he could not do a better job financially than Obama.

eg8r </div></div>

let me give you one fact at a time. See if you can handle it.


Ready?



GW Bush TRIPLED the Nat Debt.

Got that?

Q

Gayle in MD
05-25-2012, 07:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I want to know from the RW on the board is why we should listen to a single word from the pill-popping, Viagra slicking , prostitute frequenter , race baiting, fat tub of lard has to say on any subject!

Q </div></div>

What I'd like to know is why they are drawn to such a freaking POS!

Takes all kinds, I guess.

G. </div></div>

I seem to recall somebody voting for an admitted drug abuser who is doing a pretty fair job at killing and getting people killed across the globe.
How anybody could be attracted to that POS is beyond me. </div></div>

LMAO!

So you're comparing a brilliant, polished, graceful man, who is a Havard Law School Graduate, and had the misfortune of having to bring this economy out of the Bush pit, having inheriting George Bush's unprecedented borrowing, growing the government, creating a collapsed economy, two unfinished, unpaid for wars, trillions charged on the national credit cars in unpaid for entitlemennts, and left behind him an impending Depression, trillions in borrowed debt, and losing over 800,000 jobs a month, unprecedented REpublican Obstructionism, annd yet he has turned the corner, jobs are coming back, the market is great, Iraq is finally over with, Obama got bin Laden, has negotiated a withdrawel date from Afghanistan, and has stood up for equal rights, and creating a fair econmy that doesn't redistribute all of the wealth, to the crooks at the top, yet yuou compare this man, to a Fat, loud, ugly, drug abusing, prostitute buying, nasty, repulsive, offensive mound of wasted humanity like Rush Limpballs?

That's quite a statement as regards your values.

G.

</div></div>

Unfortunately Obama is neither polished or brilliant.
<span style="color: #CC0000"> That's your opinion, but his performance in college and Law School, proves you completely WRONG.</span>


Harvard is not all that.

<span style="color: #CC0000">That depends on which student you are speaking of, one who was only known for drugging, drinking and Cheerleading, or ojne who was known or being a snob, and for assaulting others, who were an easy mark for his attitude of entitlemennt, or, OTOH, one who distinguished himself, throughout college and Law School, with brilliant performance, and was the President of the Harvard Law Review. BIG DIFFERENCE! </span>


The fact of the matter is that if Obama had been arrested, processed and convicted for his use of cocaine and pot he would not have been eligible to be president.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> The fact of the matter is that if Romney had been prosecuted for his assaults against others, he wouldn't have ever been in politics, in the first place.

And if George Bush, had been arrested for his providing money for an illegal abortion, for using cocaine, for drinking his ass off for forty years, this country woulodn't be in the mees it is in right now! </span>

He would have been just another brown skinned statistic in the system.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> More racism. </span>

Obama seems to be doing a pretty fair job of following the Bush Doctrine.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> No, not at all. We no longer torture people.

We no longer have a president who picks his nose in public.

We no long have to cringe over a man who can't say, N-U-C-L-E-R.

We do not have a president who launches war, on lies.


We no long have a president who refuses to kill our number one al Qaeda threat, because his their families are in business together.

We no long have a president who if so ignorant, it's embarrassing when he opens up his mouth.

We no longer have a President who is borrowing more money, than all previous administrations combined, and is so stupid that he thinks you can break Treaty Agreements, Lie the country into a war so you can fill the pockets of your corporate friends.

We no longer have a president who is against Gay rights.

We no longer have a president who will appoint radical fascists to the Supreme Court.

We no longer have a president who is against a woman's right to make equal pay for equal work.

We no longer have a president who outs covert CIA Secret NOC Agents, and then lies his way out of it.

We no longer have a president who is stupid enough to think that SS should be privatized.

We no longer have a president who can't open his mouth, without lying or using incorrect english.

We no longer have a president who jokes about not managing to get our number one threat, bin Laden, while our troops are dying on the battlefield.

We no longer have a president who doesn't bother to drive six blocks, and check up on how our veterans are living with roaches and rats.

We no longer have a president who removes clean air and clean water legislation, annd can't even respond to a natural disaster. </span>


Which I find pretty amusing. I guess that over 60% of US soldier deaths happening in Afghanistan under Obama is acceptable. Not a peep about that.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> He didn't start that war, and thenn ignore it for tenn years.

If George Bush hadn't tured his back on the War in Afghanistan, bin Laden would have been dead years ago, and al Qaeda would never have franchised by using his torture to their advantage, and thousands of troops and Iraqi's would be alive right now.

This president did not launch any wars. He inherited two mishadled wars, which Bush totally screwed up!</span>

I would not be looking at the market as an leading indicator.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> LOL, you mean the market that crashed while Bush was in office? The Unregulated Market, that Bush and Republicans sent out a message of steal all you want from the country? </span>
For the most part it is following its own path. Greece is going to default and Spain and France may be right behind them. The reaction of the market to that is not known.


<span style="color: #CC0000">They are failing because they adopted the Republican ideology of using severe austerity, instead of investing in a strong job recovery, which is what Republicans have blocked here in our country. </span>

We are tucking tail and running out of Afghanistan due to missteps by members of the military and administration. However we will have boots on the ground till 2024. Afghanistan is destined to fall into anarchy.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> Both Afghanistan, and Iraq, will be a mess for decades, but president Obama didn't make the mess, that was your boy GEROGE! This president is managing to get us out with some dignity. Not an easy thing to do when you're following a total idiot! </span>

Then there is the assassination of US citizens over seas. If Bush had given that order the left would have went wild about due process.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> That person had relinquished his citizenshhip when he declared himself an enemy of the state, and joined a terrorist organization. Bush did far worse, far, far worse, and hence, BUSH is wanted for War Crimes.

</span>

However when Obama orders it it is acceptable to kill citizens that oppose the government. Not that I don't personally think US Jihadists operating in foreign lands don't have it coming. Its about the principle though.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> LMAO! NOw that's one of the best double think statements ever to be written here. </span>

Then there is the rising use of drones within the US.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Name one death from drones in the U.S. </span>

Including military grade and the concerns of the right to privacy.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Privacy? LMAO! The right is the party which is tryng to get between the sheets in our bedrooms, and get into our doctors offices, and dictate to everyone what they may and may not do! Not Obama, and NOT the left.

George Bush broke every law on the books, when it comes to protecting Americans from invasion of Privacy! Broke the FISA laws, Spied illegally even on journalists! </span>

You would think Obama would be on the side of the ACLU on this being he on the left. Its only a matter of time when they start using armed drones.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> Typical Fear Mongering, RW, Dog Whistle, conspiracy theory absurdity. </span>
Obama did however re-approve the Patriot act so his true feeling on the right to privacy and freedom is pretty clear.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Unlike Bush, he hasn't abused it, according to Richard Clarke, a man with unlimited respect, who has told the truth about everything for decades, annd was our top counter terrorist czar. </span>

Jobs are not coming back. Mass layoffs are still occurring and rose by almost 12% in April. HP is laying off 27,000 workers.
Florida just had 70 mass layoffs in April. Colorado had 12. IL had a 30% surge in unemployment claims.
First time unemployment claims are still running at around 370,000 a week and about 342,00 dropped out of the work force in April. Thats and additional 85,500 individuals a week that are not even talked about.



<span style="color: #CC0000">I don't eve have to look this stuff up to know that you are quoting RW numbers. They have never been on target, according to the CBO.

Additionally, the one thing Bush and Paulson were right about after Bush crashed the economy, was that we would suffer a very long job recovery.

The president's job creation, is above Bush's and Romney's!

You aren't standing in a soup line, where you were heading when Bush left. </span>


Only 115,000 jobs were created in April which does not even keep up with population growh.
The worker participation is the lowest in US history and shows no signs of reversing.
<span style="color: #CC0000"> That is not true.

Additionally, We were losing far more jobs before Bush left, over 800,000 a month.

Additionally...

Your figures are false. </span>


It is that number that allows the false claim of 8.1% unemployment rate.
Actual unemployment U-6 unemployment number is 14.5%. Unemployment for the youth is at a whopping 24%.



<span style="color: #990000"> Obama saved us from Bush's thirty percent unemployment. </span>


The CBO is warning of a fiscal cliff approaching and a possible return to negative growth and another recession depending on how the Bush tax cuts and sequester are handled.


<span style="color: #CC0000"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>All experts agree, The Bush Tax Cuts were what got us into this mess, during his and the Republican's spending, growing governmennt, unprecedented borrowing, warring while cutting taxes....and they all agree the insane Bush Tax cuts should end, including Simpson Bowles AND Alan Greenspan.

Republican obstructionism, has slowed the recovery. Grover Norquist is an idiot.</span> </span>
The housing market is still dead.


<span style="color: #CC0000">Wrong again. The new homes annd used homes number are up. They have been going up over the last six months. </span>
GDP is projected to be 1.7% for the year now.

Home prices bumped up .6% last month however the amount of borrowers that have homes underwater increased to 31.4%
Areas such as Vegas have 71% of borrowers underwater and values down by 62%.
The government numbers on housing starts have a margin of error of 14.8%. The government reported a 2.6% increase in April. However with the margin of error it could have been as high as 17.4% or a decline of 12.2%.
In March the margin of error was 15.9%, February was 15.6% and January was 16.8%
More false numbers to be juggled.
The poverty level under Obama has risen to 15.1% and stands at 46.2 million Americans with minorities being hit the hardest when you scale the numbers.
The spending on food stamps has more than doubled in the last 4 years.
Over 46 million people are now on food stamps. That's 15% of the US population. Which is up 5% from last year.
The situation with the healthcare law is another debacle. The mandate may actually be in trouble because of a law that Schummer and Kennedy had a hand in years ago.
<span style="color: #CC0000">Obama's plann cuts costs, and the deficit, Romney's plan raises the deficit. </span>


The administration is being sued using that law as its basis.



More and more doctors are not accepting Medicaid due to decreases in reimbursement and there is an increasing trend of companies dropping healthcare completely.



<span style="color: #CC0000"> Companies dropping health care coverage was going on for decades before President Obama was in office. That is part of what caused the foreclosures, People were aorking harder, and their wages were being driven down, by greedy CEO's, and by Repiglican policies, Corporate CEO's in the Health Insurance Industry, dropping people when they became ill, and predatory lenders, who Bush Protected from laws to end their thhievery!, </span>
Meanwhile healthcare costs continue to increase.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> They had been predicted to raise far faster, before the AHCA. </span>


Due to the unknowns in the healthcare law amongst other things, companies are still not investing in equipment and are not hiring.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> things are far better than they were in 2008! </span>
The US debt now stands at over 15,742,000,000,000 and shows no sign of slowing in the rate of increase. Generational debt has been assured by the actions of the US government. The possibility of a monetary and economic collapse is still very real.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> The vast majority of our debt, was created by George W. Bush, and the Republican Spend/borrow Congress.</span>

No. The country is not in good shape and shows little sign of actually recovering.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> Republican created disastrous consequence, are never easy to reverse. </span>

Obama has had 4 years to work his magic.

<span style="color: #CC0000">And Bush had eight years to destroy the country, and this President is doing a fine job, when one considers the FUBAR he inherited from Bush and the Republicans. </span>
Its his economy now.
<span style="color: #CC0000"> Again, a slow job recovery had been predicted by nearly every economist, including PAULSON, and thhings would have improved faster, without the unprecedented Republican Obstructionism, ad had America have had the good fortune to never have had George Bush in the White House.

We are seeing that an unregulated Laissez Faire market, is corrupting, and that Trickle Down Economics, always fail.

Republican policies destroyed the economy.

This President has done a MAAAAHVELOUS job of preventing the Bush Near Depression, with unprecedented REpublican Obstructionism! </span>


Continuing to blame Bush is nothing more than an excuse to deflect from this administrations failures.




</div></div>

Sev
05-25-2012, 08:46 AM
Lots of excuses and deflection.

Soflasnapper
05-25-2012, 04:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Please point out where I brought Romney up. Who I have never once suggested or stated that I am supporting.

You epic deflection is duly noted.

</div></div>

It's not a deflection, it's the choice facing this country, for anyone who isn't throwing away a vote on a third party candidate with no chances of winning.

And the first part was exactly on point. NO ONE HAS THE REQUIRED EXPERIENCE, except (possibly) Obama, through what he's gained in that experience over 3-1/2 years.

Even should a Lee Iacoca present himself as a turnaround artist (Rmoney is not one), he could not use business methods, because the fix would be political, by passing things through Congress. No businessman has that level of political knowledge, or has dealt with people inside the boat drilling holes where he's trying to plug them up, out of partisan spite.

Sev
05-26-2012, 07:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Please point out where I brought Romney up. Who I have never once suggested or stated that I am supporting.

You epic deflection is duly noted.

</div></div>

It's not a deflection, it's the choice facing this country, for anyone who isn't throwing away a vote on a third party candidate with no chances of winning.

And the first part was exactly on point. NO ONE HAS THE REQUIRED EXPERIENCE, except (possibly) Obama, through what he's gained in that experience over 3-1/2 years.

Even should a Lee Iacoca present himself as a turnaround artist (Rmoney is not one), he could not use business methods, because the fix would be political, by passing things through Congress. No businessman has that level of political knowledge, or has dealt with people inside the boat drilling holes where he's trying to plug them up, out of partisan spite. </div></div>

However there are levels of inexperience.
Obama had no business or economic experience what so ever. What makes anybody believe that a law degree gives anybody the knowledge understand basic economics much less the complexities free market capitalism I will never understand.
I have no doubt that I could have done at the very least an equivalent job to what Obama has done. And I believe he has performed to the detriment of the nation.

The only thing I see happening is more government growth, more regulation, more spending, more debt and most importantly the continual loss of our freedoms.

The country was founded on small limited government. The large behemoth we are dealing with now is the cause of all the economic problems this country is facing.
The only answers that come out of Washington are tax, spend and regulate.
It does not matter which party is in power. Almost all of them are lawyers and that makes them all singularly unqualified to be in the positions that they are elected to.

Based on you analysis they should be putting Carter back up for another run as he has more experience in these matters than Obama.

eg8r
05-27-2012, 06:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a lie by any means.

Remember that stimulus spending that YOU were so against and claimed it was a failure?
</div></div>Absolutely a was a failure. As far as the CBO you will see in my posts to sofla in the past what I think about the CBO. Their estimations are always incorrect and that we never see a lefty post to adjustments.

eg8r

eg8r
05-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Bush is not Obama idiot. Get with the program.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-29-2012, 05:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Please point out where I brought Romney up. Who I have never once suggested or stated that I am supporting.

You epic deflection is duly noted.

</div></div>

It's not a deflection, it's the choice facing this country, for anyone who isn't throwing away a vote on a third party candidate with no chances of winning.

And the first part was exactly on point. NO ONE HAS THE REQUIRED EXPERIENCE, except (possibly) Obama, through what he's gained in that experience over 3-1/2 years.

Even should a Lee Iacoca present himself as a turnaround artist (Rmoney is not one), he could not use business methods, because the fix would be political, by passing things through Congress. No businessman has that level of political knowledge, or has dealt with people inside the boat drilling holes where he's trying to plug them up, out of partisan spite. </div></div>

However there are levels of inexperience.
Obama had no business or economic experience what so ever. What makes anybody believe that a law degree gives anybody the knowledge understand basic economics much less the complexities free market capitalism I will never understand.
I have no doubt that I could have done at the very least an equivalent job to what Obama has done. And I believe he has performed to the detriment of the nation.

The only thing I see happening is more government growth, more regulation, more spending, more debt and most importantly the continual loss of our freedoms.

The country was founded on small limited government. The large behemoth we are dealing with now is the cause of all the economic problems this country is facing.
The only answers that come out of Washington are tax, spend and regulate.
It does not matter which party is in power.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>
BWA HA HA HA HA!

The right never fails to use that old and tired tactic.

Every siingle time that their Republican President, and their Republican majority, grows the government, grows the deficit, and ruins the economy, then it's time to say they all do it!

Ot
s very simple, really.

STOP VOTING FOR REPIGLICANS&gt;&gt;&gt;AND YOU WILL NO LOINGER HAVE A HUGE GOVERNMENT, AND HUGE DEFICITS! </span> </span>


Almost all of them are lawyers and that makes them all singularly unqualified to be in the positions that they are elected to.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>NO THEY ARE NOT! </span> </span>

Based on you analysis they should be putting Carter back up for another run as he has more experience in these matters than Obama. </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Carter was decades ahead of Reagan in his thinking and in his intellectual capacity.

Had we listened to Carter, we'd have never wasted trillions of dollars killing people in the Middle East.

G. </span> </span>

Sev
05-29-2012, 05:55 PM
Where did I say the the republicans have not grown the size of government???

The government and its denizens are the problem. Not the solution.

Stop voting or Democrats and republicans and start voting for Libertarians and you will see the government shrivel.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 01:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did I say the the republicans have not grown the size of government???

The government and its denizens are the problem. Not the solution.

Stop voting or Democrats and republicans and start voting for Libertarians and you will see the government shrivel. </div></div>


I don't recall you complaining when Repiglicans were spending us into a debt ditch, warring while cutting taxes, spending and failing to pay for their spending, and borrowing from communists to pay for thheir spsending. Bush didn't even put his war spending on the budget!

If you can't see that Repiglicans made this mess, I doubt you'd have sense ennough to run anything, let alone this country.


Libertarians are among the dumbest of all.

Irrational and unrealistic.

Nobody could run anything if they had their way.

We have a bunch of Americans who don't appreciate all of the good things that our government can do, when Repiglicans are out of power, that is.

The Repiglicans put our country into this mess, then they blocked everything that would help us recover, and filibustered everything that could prevent any of it from happening again.

Repiglicans are for the CROOKS. Always have been, always will be.

Romney?

A big greedy crook. Backed by a boatload of other big greedy crooks.

The Supreme Court? Corrupted by three Repiglican Presidents, who have been fascists their whole lives, Reagan, Bush and Bush.

G.

Sev
05-30-2012, 01:09 PM
We have a large and growing group of Americans who appreciate how dangerous the government is to their personal freedom and liberty.

It would seem some people prefer to be on bended knee and exist with an illusion of freedom and liberty.

You fear not having a large all encompassing security blanket.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 01:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have a large and growing group of Americans who appreciate how dangerous the government is to their personal freedom and liberty.

It would seem some people prefer to be on bended knee and exist with an illusion of freedom and liberty.

You fear not having a large all encompassing security blanket.
</div></div>

I fear that nitwits won't be taken care of, who obviously are so stupid that they could be taken in twice by two con artists and crooks like George Bush and Dick Cheney, and people like Sara Palin, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, and Donald Trump.

As for personal freedom, the Repiglican Party iw the Party which is currently trying to take away personal freedom, in every area of our lives, including inside our bodies and our bedrooms.

As for me, I am quite able to take care of myself, thank you, and I also happen to love my country, and think that it has the potential to be always, and ever, the best country, AND GOVERNMENT in the world, EXCEPT when Repiglicans are in power which has been the main demise of our Constitution, and our country, since Ronald Reagan darkened the steps of the White House, and began to push this country into a ffascist nation.

Hisk and the Bush's Supreme Court Justices, finished the job for them, with their Citizens United Ruling, but this election is being fixed anyway, as Repiglicans are working in every swing state, to disenfranchise voters, AGAIN!

Repiglicans are crooks, that is our overriding basic problem in our country. Repiglicans are crooks and liars. Libertarians are naive, unrealistic and incompetent, since they are totally out of touch with reality and the complexities of running a country.

G.

Sev
05-30-2012, 02:10 PM
Actually Gayle if the food supplies were interrupted and the utilities went down for an extended period of time I rather think you would succumb to either starvation or the elements rather quickly.

I doubt very much you have any hunting and gathering, trapping, farming or herbal skills. I also doubt you have any knowledge of what common plants are perfectly eatable and nutritious.

No. The only environment you might be able to take care of yourself in is the one your familiar with. If that collapsed along with its support system you would expire rather quickly.

LWW
05-30-2012, 02:14 PM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style="color: #3333FF">WHAT YOU SAY SIMPLY CANNOT BE TRUE!</span>

<span style="color: #FF6666">ALL OF THOSE WHO AGREE WITH DEAR LEADER ALSO HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, SO YOU MUST BE WRONG!</span>

<span style="color: #993300">WHEN THE EEEVILLL BOOOOSH WAS PRESIDENT WE HAD WORKERS CHAINED TO MACHINES AND EATING DOG FOOD!</span>

<span style="color: #000066">AFTER A FEW SHORT YEARS DEAR LEADER HAS DELIVERED UNTO US A UTOPIAN STATE!</span>

YOU REICH WINGNUT FASCIST RETHUGLICAN JACK BOOTED MISOGYNYSTC, RACIST, SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIC, XENOPHOBIC, SUICIDAL, HOMICIDAL, GENOCIDAL, DANCE RECITAL KNUCKLE DRAGGING MOUTH BRETHING NEANDERTHAL BUBBAS DON'T EVEN KNOW ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR YOUR OWN EST INTERESTS! HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CLAIM THAT DEAR LEADER IS FAALLIBLE AFTER HE HATH SAVED US FROM THE APOCALYPSE!</span>

Sev
05-30-2012, 02:19 PM
Well when you put it that way... .

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 02:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually Gayle if the food supplies were interrupted and the utilities went down for an extended period of time I rather think you would succumb to either starvation or the elements rather quickly.

I doubt very much you have any hunting and gathering, trapping, farming or herbal skills. I also doubt you have any knowledge of what common plants are perfectly eatable and nutritious.

No. The only environment you might be able to take care of yourself in is the one your familiar with. If that collapsed along with its support system you would expire rather quickly. </div></div>

Actually Sev, if any such disastrous circumstances were to occur, I will outlive you by far, since I live in the midst of hundreds of acres of a nature preserve, bordering the Chesapeake Bay, chock full of every trotting and flying animal and tributary fish you could imagine...

We have probably caught, killed and cooked more animals and fish than you have eaten in your lifetime.

I have dressed and cooked just about every east coast wild animal you could imagine.

Additionally, I have been a gardener my entire life, AND I own a greenhouse, chock full of everything I would need, including herbs, seeds, compost nearby, and everything I would need to carry on indefinitely, not to mention, a husband known for his amazing marksmanship, and my own access to solar energy.

I'd say I am set up for just about anything, and everything, you could conjure, in your fearful, bothered mind, including floods, and energy failures.

I am completely self sufficient, not just perfectly well enough for my husband and myself, but for my other family members, as well.

G.

LWW
05-30-2012, 02:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well when you put it that way... . </div></div>

I remember when some members considered talking about hunting to be terrorist acts.

Sev
05-30-2012, 03:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually Gayle if the food supplies were interrupted and the utilities went down for an extended period of time I rather think you would succumb to either starvation or the elements rather quickly.

I doubt very much you have any hunting and gathering, trapping, farming or herbal skills. I also doubt you have any knowledge of what common plants are perfectly eatable and nutritious.

No. The only environment you might be able to take care of yourself in is the one your familiar with. If that collapsed along with its support system you would expire rather quickly. </div></div>

Actually Sev, if any such disastrous circumstances were to occur, I will outlive you by far, since I live in the midst of hundreds of acres of a nature preserve, bordering the Chesapeake Bay, chock full of every trotting and flying animal and tributary fish you could imagine...

We have probably caught, killed and cooked more animals and fish than you have eaten in your lifetime.

I have dressed and cooked just about every east coast wild animal you could imagine.

Additionally, I have been a gardener my entire life, AND I own a greenhouse, chock full of everything I would need, including herbs, seeds, compost nearby, and everything I would need to carry on not to mention, a husband known for his amazing marksmanship, and solar energy.

I'd say I am set up for just about anything, and everything, you could conjure, in your fearful, bothered mind, including floods, and energy failures.

I am completely self sufficient, not just perfectly well enough for my husband and myself, but for my other family members, as well.

G.


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Well then I stand corrected.
I am impressed Gayle. I think its excellent that you have these skills and have had the foresight to prepare.
Who would have thought you're a prepper.
We'll get you to join a militia yet.

As far as who would survive longer that is debatable. Hunting, trapping, fishing and farming are all part of my skill set. I was taught canning and pickling skills.
Food storage is an important consideration. You may never use it. However it pays to be prepared.

As far as being fearful and having a bothered mind nothing could be further from the truth.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 04:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually Gayle if the food supplies were interrupted and the utilities went down for an extended period of time I rather think you would succumb to either starvation or the elements rather quickly.

I doubt very much you have any hunting and gathering, trapping, farming or herbal skills. I also doubt you have any knowledge of what common plants are perfectly eatable and nutritious.

No. The only environment you might be able to take care of yourself in is the one your familiar with. If that collapsed along with its support system you would expire rather quickly. </div></div>

Actually Sev, if any such disastrous circumstances were to occur, I will outlive you by far, since I live in the midst of hundreds of acres of a nature preserve, bordering the Chesapeake Bay, chock full of every trotting and flying animal and tributary fish you could imagine...

We have probably caught, killed and cooked more animals and fish than you have eaten in your lifetime.

I have dressed and cooked just about every east coast wild animal you could imagine.

Additionally, I have been a gardener my entire life, AND I own a greenhouse, chock full of everything I would need, including herbs, seeds, compost nearby, and everything I would need to carry on not to mention, a husband known for his amazing marksmanship, and solar energy.

I'd say I am set up for just about anything, and everything, you could conjure, in your fearful, bothered mind, including floods, and energy failures.

I am completely self sufficient, not just perfectly well enough for my husband and myself, but for my other family members, as well.

G.


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Well then I stand corrected.
I am impressed Gayle. I think its excellent that you have these skills and have had the foresight to prepare.
Who would have thought you're a prepper.
We'll get you to join a militia yet.

As far as who would survive longer that is debatable. Hunting, trapping, fishing and farming are all part of my skill set.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> Then I would assume you are aware how easy it is to be successful in those skills, and that most people, in fact, would have no problem performing them, in a pinch, as long as they had the correct equipment. </span>
I was taught canning and pickling skills.
Food storage is an important consideration. You may never use it. However it pays to be prepared.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> I have three refridgerators, and a freezer, and my jars and cans are wrapped in the same checkered Gingham decorative ribbons, displayed beautifully on the shelves of my very large pantry.

Do you wrap yours in decorative ribbons, by any chance?</span>

As far as being fearful and having a bothered mind nothing could be further from the truth. </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000">Well I a very happy for you, in that case, just wondering why you seem so obsessed with disaster and conspiracy theories, given you are so content, that is.

G. </span>

Sev
05-30-2012, 05:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually Gayle if the food supplies were interrupted and the utilities went down for an extended period of time I rather think you would succumb to either starvation or the elements rather quickly.

I doubt very much you have any hunting and gathering, trapping, farming or herbal skills. I also doubt you have any knowledge of what common plants are perfectly eatable and nutritious.

No. The only environment you might be able to take care of yourself in is the one your familiar with. If that collapsed along with its support system you would expire rather quickly. </div></div>

Actually Sev, if any such disastrous circumstances were to occur, I will outlive you by far, since I live in the midst of hundreds of acres of a nature preserve, bordering the Chesapeake Bay, chock full of every trotting and flying animal and tributary fish you could imagine...

We have probably caught, killed and cooked more animals and fish than you have eaten in your lifetime.

I have dressed and cooked just about every east coast wild animal you could imagine.

Additionally, I have been a gardener my entire life, AND I own a greenhouse, chock full of everything I would need, including herbs, seeds, compost nearby, and everything I would need to carry on not to mention, a husband known for his amazing marksmanship, and solar energy.

I'd say I am set up for just about anything, and everything, you could conjure, in your fearful, bothered mind, including floods, and energy failures.

I am completely self sufficient, not just perfectly well enough for my husband and myself, but for my other family members, as well.

G.


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Well then I stand corrected.
I am impressed Gayle. I think its excellent that you have these skills and have had the foresight to prepare.
Who would have thought you're a prepper.
We'll get you to join a militia yet.

As far as who would survive longer that is debatable. Hunting, trapping, fishing and farming are all part of my skill set.


<span style="color: #CC0000"> Then I would assume you are aware how easy it is to be successful in those skills, and that most people, in fact, would have no problem performing them, in a pinch, as long as they had the correct equipment. </span>
I was taught canning and pickling skills.
Food storage is an important consideration. You may never use it. However it pays to be prepared.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> I have three refridgerators, and a freezer, and my jars and cans are wrapped in the same checkered Gingham decorative ribbons, displayed beautifully on the shelves of my very large pantry.

Do you wrap yours in decorative ribbons, by any chance?</span>

As far as being fearful and having a bothered mind nothing could be further from the truth. </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000">Well I a very happy for you, in that case, just wondering why you seem so obsessed with disaster and conspiracy theories, given you are so content, that is.

G. </span> </div></div>

Being and accomplished trapper and hunter are not necessarily easy skills. Still Hunting, stalking and tracking are an art form. Descenting your traps and leaving little to none of your own scent behind also is a skill that takes time to learn. As well as properly fleshing out the animal skins.
Snaring rabbits and such less so of course.
Herbology is not something you learn over night. I'm always learning something new and started late in this area.
Nor is being an accomplished gardener or farmer. Most people do are not aware of companion planting the get the most out of there gardens.
Canning and pickling is fairly easy. Of course if you never have cooked it can be a mystery.
Many of these things we learn at an early age and appear to be simple for the fact that they are activities that have been engaged in for a long period of time. To the uninitiated it may not seem so simple.

We learn these things over time. Some times beginning at a young age.

Gayle I'm a guy. Ribbons. Seriously. Mason jars. Plain and naked. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

I have not tackled Jams and preserves yet though. I have all the information but have yet to break ground in that area.

I am looking to bring in a backhoe this year and dig into the side of the hill and build block root cellar and run power to it. Its crossed my mind to split it into and under ground cooler and freezer. Pretty simple to do.

Not a conspiracy theorist. As far as disasters go. Historically they happen on a fairly regular basis. You dont have to be paranoid, fearful or neurotic to know this to be true. As you stated your well prepared. Therefore you believe that there is a possibility of something going awry. You probably see it as a prudent precaution along with the fact you enjoy the effort.
The world is a chaotic place with instances of tranquility. Disaster can strike between heart beats. Nature has a way of surprising us and what our fellow humans are going to do between one second and the next is always a mystery.

No you dont have to be angry or paranoid to understand that statistically it is only a matter of time before the clock runs out on the next major disaster.

However that should never come in the way of enjoying your day to day life. You can prepare and enjoy yourself without being consumed by something that may never occur in your lifetime.

Sev
05-31-2012, 07:20 AM
By the way Gayle.
Since you enjoy cooking I have simple year real tasty chicken recipe you can try if your interested.

Gayle in MD
05-31-2012, 07:27 AM
I think you should call Rush Limpballs and inform him of how to create more personal happiness, through the rewarding, Zen experience of happiness whic is so readily available from efforts which produce satisfying feelings of acheivement feedback, through the joys of gardening.

I must say, your radical, angry little RW cat, could use some gardening experiences, as well. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif I'm surpirsed someone like yourself, so fulfilled throught the Zen of gardening, would choose such an ugly, obviously insane, little killer to represent yourself. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif


I have been gardening since the first day I ever walked with my mother through a greenhouse.

In fact, the highlight of our day, (my wonderful husband, and myself) is sitting together on the porch, sharing a glass of wine, in the early evening, and enjoying the sight of our amazing gardens.

As for worrying about shortages, it is a shame that at a time when our water, air, and the very earth from which we must grow our collective sustenence, is being contaminated and threatened by greedy pigs, people like the Koch Brothers, for example, and other fosile fuel billionaires, who buy our representatives, in order to get their bought representatives to destroy environmental protections.

Repiglicans continue to provide a wide path for them to pollute to their heart's content, not only our growing opportunities, but to endanger species which play a role in the balance of the beautiful earth.

Idiots like the Catholic church, forbidding birth control, when the world is overpopulated, and the oceans are being fished out, it is a disaster in the making that people don't care about the disclosures of those polluters who are protected by Repiglicans, destroying the health of the planet.

Those who cherish the planet, the animals and plants which grow on it, and the environmental disasters that are being created against their children and gradn children, and against the earth, in general, should certainly stop voting for the Repuglicans, who are KNOWN for voting against environmental protections, and for removing regulations which protect our environment.

George W. Bush, for example, recieved one of the lowest ratings ever recorded for protecting the environment, and I would think by now, any well informed American is aware of the Halliburton Loophole, compliments of Dick Cheney?

Yet, we actually see people criticizing President Obama, for holding back until more studies are completed, before approving of oil pipe threats, to our main aquifers.

It is good to know that people such as yourself, value the experiences available to all of us, which are available for all of us through careful stewardship of our formerly pristine planet.

G.



G.

Sev
05-31-2012, 08:09 AM
If you like the cat. You'd really like the avatar I use. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

There are means to be proper stewards of our environment without it becoming oppressive to the citizens.
Unfortunately the continual addition of laws and regulation has lead to the criminalization of America.

I agree. Toxicity of our environment is very real. However some of it is approved the the government and FDA. For instance. Genetically modified foods that offer little nutritional value. The addition of hormones, steroids and antibiotics livestock.
The continual prescription of drugs to address physiological problems that are arising because of the lack of nutrition found in modern foods and all of the chemicals that are found in them.
Then there is all the pesticides that are in our systems. As well as all the trace pharmaceuticals that are in our drinking water. Add to that all the heavy metals that are locked into out bodies that most people never attempt to flush out.

The medical industry by and large is focused on prescribing drugs to address these problems. Unfortunately the drugs prescribed often cause more serious issues to arise as our bodies try to deal with the added toxins that the doctors are prescribing.

Protecting the environment will do us little good when we voluntarily poison ourselves through the food we ingest and the chemicals doctors prescribe.

The medical industry needs to switch its focus to prevention and nutrition. Unfortunately that goes against big pharma and big agri.

The most recent book I am reading is "Bombshell" by Suzanne Somers.
Its very interesting.
Did you know she is the first woman in America to successfully regrow a breast, lost due to a mastectomy, though using her own stem cells?
What she is doing through nutrition, supplements and bio-identical hormone therapy is inspiring.

Gayle in MD
05-31-2012, 08:36 AM
You do realize that everything you listed, exists due to Republican Policies?

You do realize that Suzanne Sommers has been busted in lie after lie.

Bioidentical Hormones are linked to breast cancer. In fact, hormones in our food and water, are linked to breast cancer.

I have to spend nearly twice as much money too buy clean meat, because Republicans filibuster every singel effort to clean up our food, air and water.

More damage was done under George W.Bush, and Dick Cheney, to our environment, than any other President or Vice President in history.

Republicans have blocked every effort to clean up the environment, lying as they go, about everything, even science.

My own oncologist told me that Suzanne Sommers' theories have been discredited by every major cancer institute in this country.
She's a total con artist, out for the bucks. I have friends who followed her advice, and they all became very ill, every single one of them.

My own breast cancer was linked to hormones in my food, and insecticides. There is no history of breast cancer in my family.
Yet, my cancer cells had hormone receptors on them, requiring that I take hormone blockers for five years.

The farming community is killing all of us with insecticides and hormones in the animals we eat.


In fact, the breast cancer that Romney's wife had, which she has blown totally out of proportion, is considered stage zero, reluctantly even called breast cancer, Ductal Carcinoma In SITU, confined to the milk duct. Doesn't even require chemotherapy, and in fact, it isn't even recommennded that a woman have Chemo, for Ductal Carcinoma In SITU.

If Suzanne Sommers wrote that she grew another breast with hormones, she's lying.

Cancer is caused by a whole range of things, and women whho take hormone therapy, for the side affects of Menopause, need to have their heads examined. They are putting themselves at risk for breast cancer. I never took them.

We should all grow our own vegetables, and cut out meat. Even animals in the wild, are contaminated, because they eat in fields which are contaminated with chemicals.

Chemicals are killing all of us.

Republicans block every effort to switch to, and/or to spend money to research, annd produce more clean renewable fuels.

Why do you think they are called The Grand Oil Party? Whom do you think is buying Mitsey Romney's votes, and why?

If you care about the environment, don't vote for Repiglicans!





G.

Sev
05-31-2012, 04:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The farming community is killing all of us with insecticides and hormones in the animals we eat.

We should all grow our own vegetables, and cut out meat. Even animals in the wild, are contaminated, because they eat in fields which are contaminated with chemicals.

Chemicals are killing all of us.

G.
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I can agree with you on this much.