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Sev
05-27-2012, 07:01 AM
These expenses should be charged directly to any an all sitting representatives, candidates and their family members that disrupt local business and use local police forces for their security.
It should not come from any tax payer funds or campaign donations, but rather from their personal accounts with no allowance as an expense for a tax write off.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/05/25/city-of-newport-beach-sends-obama-campaign-a-bill-for-35k/

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>City Of Newport Beach Sends Obama Campaign A Bill For $35K</span>

NEWPORT BEACH (CBS) — The City of Newport Beach has decided a recent presidential trip really fit the bill.

Literally.

Newport Beach’s revenue division is charging the Obama campaign — specifically Obama For America — $35,043.04 for extra police officers, reserve officers and overtime pay to cover a recent fundraising visit.

The fundraiser was held in a Newport Beach home, causing traffic closures and security issues in the neighborhood.

Scott Mason has lived for 20 years on the street where the fundraiser was held.

“I don’t care what the political party is…I am not in the President’s party…if you are using the public sector to support fund-raising..you have to pay for that,” Mason said.

Several other Newport Beach residents agree with Mason.

“It’s kind of ridiculous. Yeah, kind of ridiculous,” said resident Kristen O’Brien.

“He should pay it back. He should pit back to the police force. He should pay it back to the administration. He should pay it back to the city and the people of California,” said Sam Porter, who also lives in the affluent community.

The city wants to be reimbursed for the officers used for the event – both the daily cost and the overtime hours racked by four members of law enforcement.

The city also wants the money back for the dedicated dispatcher and communications officers used for the event.

Newport Beach City Manager Dave Kiff made the decision to charge the President’s campaign.

“It is appropriate to treat it like a private event. We would bill the event sponsor,” Kiff said in a statement.

“Our country is broke…you have to pay for that,” Mason added.

President Obama raised $8 million dollars in fundraisers held across California in February, including the one held in Newport Beach.

For a link to the complete bill, click here. http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/obama-invoice.pdf

Soflasnapper
05-27-2012, 01:10 PM
Glendower:
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur:
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?

Shakespeare
Henry The Fourth, Part I Act 3, scene 1, 5254

Billed them? Yes. Collect from them? Probably not.

This is similar to King Canute ordering back the tides. Of course, he could issue the order.

eg8r
05-27-2012, 06:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Billed them? Yes. Collect from them? Probably not.

</div></div>So the Obama campaign treats their bills the same way they treat their taxes...they only pay if they are forced.

eg8r

Sev
05-27-2012, 06:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Glendower:
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur:
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?

Shakespeare
Henry The Fourth, Part I Act 3, scene 1, 52–54

Billed them? Yes. Collect from them? Probably not.

This is similar to King Canute ordering back the tides. Of course, he could issue the order. </div></div>

And then the legal process begins with suits from across the US being filed. Something to which would not be able to be ignored.

Soflasnapper
05-28-2012, 12:34 PM
The collection process cannot be pursued without spending far more than this $35,000 bill. If there are no chances of collection, it would be wasted money. I have no idea what their chances would be, however, presidents always do these kinds of events when campaigning, and perhaps in hundreds of localities over time.

Are you aware of ANY OTHER locality achieving such reimbursement, when clearly, hundreds have been impacted?

(Dem or GOP Convention cities might be an exception, as the extra police cost would be huge for them-- millions, likely.)

If it has never been done before, what is the justification now, and if it is done now, and sets a precedent that everyone joins in, will the next GOP president honor this precedent? Or would he (or she) get a pass, because they are the REAL president or something?

Soflasnapper
05-29-2012, 09:43 AM
It should not come from any tax payer funds or campaign donations, but rather from their personal accounts with no allowance as an expense for a tax write off.

This part of your response shows it is simply a mean-spirited personal attack on one person, and not an intended general rule to apply to everyone in similar future circumstances.

Even should the expenses be paid, of COURSE, it would be paid by campaign donations as a campaign expense. Under what theory (other than personal punishment) is that not true?

Sev
05-29-2012, 04:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It should not come from any tax payer funds or campaign donations, but rather from their personal accounts with no allowance as an expense for a tax write off.

This part of your response shows it is simply a mean-spirited personal attack on one person, and not an intended general rule to apply to everyone in similar future circumstances.

Even should the expenses be paid, of COURSE, it would be paid by campaign donations as a campaign expense. Under what theory (other than personal punishment) is that not true? </div></div>

No it should apply to all elected officials and their support staff.
The more it costs them personally the less gallivanting around they will do and perhaps actually earn the living we pay them.

Sev
05-29-2012, 04:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Are you aware of ANY OTHER locality achieving such reimbursement, when clearly, hundreds have been impacted?

(Dem or GOP Convention cities might be an exception, as the extra police cost would be huge for them-- millions, likely.)

If it has never been done before, what is the justification now, and if it is done now, and sets a precedent that everyone joins in, will the next GOP president honor this precedent? Or would he (or she) get a pass, because they are the REAL president or something? </div></div>

Its an idea who's time has come.

Gayle in MD
05-29-2012, 05:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These expenses should be charged directly to any an all sitting representatives, candidates and their family members that disrupt local business and use local police forces for their security.
It should not come from any tax payer funds or campaign donations, but rather from their personal accounts with no allowance as an expense for a tax write off.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/05/25/city-of-newport-beach-sends-obama-campaign-a-bill-for-35k/

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>City Of Newport Beach Sends Obama Campaign A Bill For $35K</span>

NEWPORT BEACH (CBS) — The City of Newport Beach has decided a recent presidential trip really fit the bill.

Literally.

Newport Beach’s revenue division is charging the Obama campaign — specifically Obama For America — $35,043.04 for extra police officers, reserve officers and overtime pay to cover a recent fundraising visit.

The fundraiser was held in a Newport Beach home, causing traffic closures and security issues in the neighborhood.

Scott Mason has lived for 20 years on the street where the fundraiser was held.

“I don’t care what the political party is…I am not in the President’s party…if you are using the public sector to support fund-raising..you have to pay for that,” Mason said.

Several other Newport Beach residents agree with Mason.

“It’s kind of ridiculous. Yeah, kind of ridiculous,” said resident Kristen O’Brien.

“He should pay it back. He should pit back to the police force. He should pay it back to the administration. He should pay it back to the city and the people of California,” said Sam Porter, who also lives in the affluent community.

The city wants to be reimbursed for the officers used for the event – both the daily cost and the overtime hours racked by four members of law enforcement.

The city also wants the money back for the dedicated dispatcher and communications officers used for the event.

Newport Beach City Manager Dave Kiff made the decision to charge the President’s campaign.

“It is appropriate to treat it like a private event. We would bill the event sponsor,” Kiff said in a statement.

“Our country is broke…you have to pay for that,” Mason added.

President Obama raised $8 million dollars in fundraisers held across California in February, including the one held in Newport Beach.

For a link to the complete bill, click here. http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/obama-invoice.pdf </div></div>


<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>So what? </span> </span>

Soflasnapper
05-30-2012, 10:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It should not come from any tax payer funds or campaign donations, but rather from their personal accounts with no allowance as an expense for a tax write off.

This part of your response shows it is simply a mean-spirited personal attack on one person, and not an intended general rule to apply to everyone in similar future circumstances.

Even should the expenses be paid, of COURSE, it would be paid by campaign donations as a campaign expense. Under what theory (other than personal punishment) is that not true? </div></div>

No it should apply to all elected officials and their support staff.
The more it costs them personally the less gallivanting around they will do and perhaps actually earn the living we pay them. </div></div>

How about House members' town hall meetings? Same thing?

Sev
05-30-2012, 12:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It should not come from any tax payer funds or campaign donations, but rather from their personal accounts with no allowance as an expense for a tax write off.

This part of your response shows it is simply a mean-spirited personal attack on one person, and not an intended general rule to apply to everyone in similar future circumstances.

Even should the expenses be paid, of COURSE, it would be paid by campaign donations as a campaign expense. Under what theory (other than personal punishment) is that not true? </div></div>

No it should apply to all elected officials and their support staff.
The more it costs them personally the less gallivanting around they will do and perhaps actually earn the living we pay them. </div></div>

How about House members' town hall meetings? Same thing? </div></div>

Only those that are elected or appointed at the federal level. The individual states, counties, cities, towns and municipalities can decide how to deal with there local representative.
Though those representatives tend not have the security deployed that those at the federal level have so it may not even be an issue.