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Sev
05-29-2012, 05:13 PM
Some day the they will learn that imposing hardship through a punitive tax structure is counter productive.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/escape-n...idents-10-years (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/escape-new-york-high-taxing-empire-state-loses-34-million-residents-10-years)

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Escape From New York? High-Taxing Empire State Loses 3.4 Million Residents in 10 Years </span>

(CNSNews.com) – New York State accounted for the biggest migration exodus of any state in the nation between 2000 and 2010, with 3.4 million residents leaving over that period, according to the Tax Foundation.

Over that decade the state gained 2.1 million, so net migration amounted to 1.3 million, representing a loss of $45.6 billion in income.

Where are they escaping to? The Tax Foundation found that more than 600,000 New York residents moved to Florida over the decade – opting perhaps for the Sunshine State’s more lenient tax system – taking nearly $20 billion in adjusted growth income with them.

Over that same time period, 208,794 Pennsylvanians moved to Florida, taking $8 billion in income.

“Many of these New York and Pennsylvania residents no doubt moved to Florida for the warm weather,” says the foundation, a nonpartisan research group. “[B]ut many more may have moved there because the state does not have an individual income tax, an estate tax, nor an inheritance tax.”

The Tax Foundation has created a “migration calculator” based on data from the Internal Revenue Service, tabulating the number of individuals moving between states each year, and income affected by the shifts.

The calculator shows that 612,520 people renounced their citizenship in New York State and moved to Florida in the 10-year period, taking with them $19.7 billion in adjusted growth income.

Between 2009 and 2010 alone, 40,195 New York residents moved to Florida, taking $1.3 billion in income.

According to the group, New York ranked second among the states for the highest state and local tax burden in 2009. The Empire State was ranked highest for tax burden every year from 1977 until 2006, except in 1984 when it was ranked second.

New York State has a progressive personal income tax rate ranging from 6.45 percent to 8.82 percent for those earning over $2 million. Sales varies by county, and is between seven and eight percent. In Manhattan, the sales tax is 8.875 percent.

According to the Retirement Living Center, which examines tax burdens by state for those nearing retirement, New York also levies a gasoline tax at 49.0 cents per gallon and a cigarette tax of $4.35 per pack, along with an additional $1.50 per pack in New York City.

New York is also one of 17 states plus the District of Columbia that collects an estate tax, with a $1 million exemption and a progressive rate from 0.8 percent to 16 percent.

In 2007, New York State collected $1.1 billion from its estate and gift taxes, the highest of any of the states, according to the Tax Foundation.

California is also known for more onerous taxes and regulations, and the foundation shows similar trends of migration from there to other states like Texas and Arizona.

The Tax Foundation ranked the Golden State sixth highest in the nation for state and local tax burden in 2009.

Between 2000 and 2010, the most recent data available, 551,914 people left California for Texas, taking $14.3 billion in income. Texas has no state income tax or estate tax.

A total of 48,877 people moved to Texas from California between 2009 and 2010 alone, totaling $1.2 billion in income. Another 28,088 from California relocated to Nevada and 30,663 to Arizona, a loss of $699.1 million and $707.8 million in income respectively.

Overall, California had the most departures between 2009 and 2010 – 406,883 people, representing a loss of $10.6 billion in income. Over that year 365,763 people moved there, representing a net loss of 41,120 residents.

Since 2000 1.2 million more people have left California than have moved there, the second biggest net loss, after New York.

Florida, meanwhile, had a negative net migration of 966,934 between 2000 and 2010 – meaning nearly a million more people moved to the state than left. Texas also has a negative net migration – 807,552 – during the same time period.

Florida and Texas rank the two lowest in net migration over the decade, followed by North Carolina, Arizona and Georgia, each of which has a negative rate.

The Tax Foundation acknowledges that taxes are not the only reason to flee a state. “Taxes are one of hundreds of factors that go into a person's decision to move,” it says on its website. “Others include age, technology, job prospects and the quality/quantity of government services provided.”

The foundation also points out that the migration calculator is not definitive. “A true study that sought to quantify the importance of taxes for locational decisions would need to account for as many other factors as possible, in addition to possible serial correlation issues between variables, especially taxes.”

eg8r
05-29-2012, 05:22 PM
Only idiot lefties think raising taxes happen without fallout. LOL, they throw their CBO numbers around about the windfall of money flowing in if the taxes were increased yet they forget about the intuition of those making that kind of money. They are not going to just give it away. Take a look at Warren Buffet. The idiot lefties like to point to him as a lefty that is willing to pay more taxes yet they completely forgive him for doing everything he can to reduce his taxable income.

eg8r

Sev
05-29-2012, 05:49 PM
I notice Buffet seems to have dropped from the Obama spotlight.

cushioncrawler
05-29-2012, 07:56 PM
I am jealous. I wish that most ozzies would go to Florida.
Silly bunch of prix. They would feel at home.
mac.

Sev
05-30-2012, 05:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am jealous. I wish that most ozzies would go to Florida.
Silly bunch of prix. They would feel at home.
mac. </div></div>

Start building galleys.

Soflasnapper
05-30-2012, 10:27 AM
According to the Retirement Living Center, which examines tax burdens by state for those nearing retirement...

Duh! People have been moving to warmer climates to retire forever.

And 2.1 million MOVED TO NY in this same period of time???? How is that possible, with all those taxes and cold weather, etc.?

Phony headline number, phony pretend analysis, which they themselves take back in the text (although sporting the scare headline, which doesn't reflect the NET migration, for added oomph in the scare?).

Wow.

If you want to see REAL HIGH TAXATION, that would be New York City itself, which puts on even greater taxation with a city sales tax and a city income tax ON TOP OF the state's versions of those. I've lived there a couple of years in the early '80s, and those were heavy burdens, without a doubt.

Why didn't they mention the numbers fleeing NYC, per se? Shouldn't that be so much higher, and really prove the point?

Maybe it doesn't, at all, and so, would RUIN their point if they mentioned those numbers?

This is a hand-waving article that doesn't begin to show evidence for what it implies, besides explicitly taking it back.

Here in Florida, millions have left this state as well. Luckily, the retiring groups elsewhere come here in larger numbers than those who leave. Why do people leave here? For the reason they came, often, which was jobs. They find out they do better paying higher taxes if they get a commensurate higher wage, and Florida is a notoriously low-wage, non-union, right to work state. As soon as there is a glimmer of chance at a job back where they came from, people skedaddle right back up to the NE. Since Florida's largest employer was likely the housing industry, which has been on its ass and will be for quite a while longer, if you come here it's to work in a low paying service job.

Sev
05-30-2012, 12:33 PM
People have been fleeing NYC for cheaper areas of the state. It was shrinking prior to 9-11 and has seen an increased exodus since. Its over all population as shrunk quite a bit.
Amtrak is very busy shuttling people back and forth from upstate NY every day.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 01:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People have been fleeing NYC for cheaper areas of the state. It was shrinking prior to 9-11 and has seen an increased exodus since. Its over all population as shrunk quite a bit.
Amtrak is very busy shuttling people back and forth from upstate NY every day. </div></div>

LMAO!

And YOU believe that these statistics of people leaving NYC, are all due to taxes?

BWA HA HA HA HA!

Good one.

G.

Sev
05-30-2012, 01:59 PM
Seems to me I never said they were all leaving do to taxes.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 02:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems to me I never said they were all leaving do to taxes. </div></div>

Really!

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Sev
05-30-2012, 02:23 PM
I do however know I left NY due to its burdensome system of taxes, fees and regulations.
I also know quite few individuals that have left and are seeking to leave for that very same reason.

Soflasnapper
05-30-2012, 02:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">New York [City]'s population reached all-time highs in the 2000 Census and then again in the 2010 Census. </div></div>-- Wiki

So the EXTREMELY high level of taxation and all the various other problems with living in NYC did NOT seen a decline in either of the two last censuses.

Rather puts a crimp in the supposed but walked back claims of this article.

As is well known, the economies of upstate-- Buffalo, Albany, and that part of the Rust Belt-- have been bad for a very long time. Apparently, this decline in population, not occurring in the Big Apple, comes from the rest of the population area, and a combination of retirement and looking for work in highly depressed work markets accounts for a major share of the population decline.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 02:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do however know I left NY due to its burdensome system of taxes, fees and regulations.
I also know quite few individuals that have left and are seeking to leave for that very same reason. </div></div>

OIC, well, if it's true for you and quite a few of your personal friends, then that settles it!

LOL....

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Sev
05-30-2012, 03:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do however know I left NY due to its burdensome system of taxes, fees and regulations.
I also know quite few individuals that have left and are seeking to leave for that very same reason. </div></div>

OIC, well, if it's true for you and quite a few of your personal friends, the that settles it!

LOL....

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Did I say they were personal friends?

cushioncrawler
05-30-2012, 04:24 PM
<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Escape From Florida?
Low-Taxing State Loses 3.4 Million Residents Dieing 10 Years</span>
mac.

Gayle in MD
05-30-2012, 04:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do however know I left NY due to its burdensome system of taxes, fees and regulations.
I also know quite few individuals that have left and are seeking to leave for that very same reason. </div></div>

OIC, well, if it's true for you and quite a few of your personal friends, the that settles it!

LOL....

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Did I say they were personal friends? </div></div>

Oh, well then,.... do forgive me. I suppose your use of the word, "Flee" indicated to me that you knoew them personally, since most people would have used the words, "Left NY," instead.

Then do tell, how many of your acquaintances have you polled to date?

G.

eg8r
05-30-2012, 05:39 PM
Sev, how dare you burden gaylio with personal experience?

eg8r

hondo
05-30-2012, 05:52 PM
So, have you been banned from AZ? Has someone offended you?
Do you feel unappreciated? Your adoring minions are in deep speculation.
One says you've been sick. One says it's planting season.
One says you've been busy copulating.One says you've become bored with AZ and like BD better.
Inquiring minds want to know.

Sev
05-30-2012, 06:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do however know I left NY due to its burdensome system of taxes, fees and regulations.
I also know quite few individuals that have left and are seeking to leave for that very same reason. </div></div>

OIC, well, if it's true for you and quite a few of your personal friends, the that settles it!

LOL....

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Did I say they were personal friends? </div></div>

Oh, well then,.... do forgive me. I suppose your use of the word, "Flee" indicated to me that you knoew them personally, since most people would have used the words, "Left NY," instead.

Then do tell, how many of your acquaintances have you polled to date?

G. </div></div>

Hard to say over the course of years. I never kept count. If I had to guess with all the people I have talked to over the years. Probably close to a thousand. That would include individuals that told me of people that they knew had already or were in the process of moving.
NC always seemed be a favorite destination. FL of course as well as TX and NV.
Right now where I used to live there are for sale signs on every corner.
Properties are not selling and people are leaving anyway. I've got a city lot I cant give away.
Unfortunately the bloods and crips as well as others are now thriving up there. Its really pretty sad.

Sev
05-30-2012, 06:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, have you been banned from AZ? Has someone offended you?
Do you feel unappreciated? Your adoring minions are in deep speculation.
One says you've been sick. One says it's planting season.
One says you've been busy copulating.One says you've become bored with AZ and like BD better.
Inquiring minds want to know. </div></div>

Well I could barely walk for the better part of a week. Apparently my lower back muscles had an issue with the header I had to uninstall and move.
A hazard of working alone.

I have been planting a really nice garden. I've got Chives, basil, cilantro, parsley, Acorn squash, red, white and yukon potato's, Cherokee, Hillbilly, Mr Stripy, Yellow boy, yellow cherry and red cherry tomato's, beens, snap peas, pumpkins, 2 types of cucumbers, water melon, musk melon, broccoli, Spanish onion, yellow onions, bell peppers and carrots. I may have forgotten a couple things. Still adding more.

hondo
05-30-2012, 06:54 PM
I understand. That's why I post on BD and not AZ. It's easier on my back. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Sev
05-31-2012, 05:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand. That's why I post on BD and not AZ. It's easier on my back. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

Good one. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sev
06-02-2012, 06:19 PM
Just talked to a lady today.
Says 45 of her friends and family plus herself have moved south from NY.