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Sev
05-30-2012, 01:57 PM
What an presumptuous arrogant putz.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obam...ent_646293.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-stressed-he-probably-knows-about-judaism-more-any-other-president_646293.html)
<span style='font-size: 23pt'>'Obama ... Stressed He Probably Knows About Judaism More than Any Other President'</span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"All his friends in Chicago were Jewish."
</span>

President Obama met yesterday with "about 20 Conservative Jewish community leaders, thanking them for the work they do to improve communities around the country and discussed their shared commitment to rebuilding the U.S. economy," Haaretz reports.
Obama in Cairo

In the meeting, Obama reportedly boasted about his knowledge of Judaism, telling the leaders that he thinks he knows more "about Judaism" than all past presidents. He said he gained this knowledge of Judaism from reading.

"Obama ... stressed he probably knows about Judaism more than any other president, because he read about it," Haaretz reports. "[He] wondered how come no one asks Speaker of the House of Representatives John Boehner or Senate minority leader Mitch McConnel [sic] about their support to Israel."

Similarly, he said to the group, "I [am] not going to tell you again how I even feel about Israel, but why [are] we still talking about it?"

He then suggested that he should not be questioned about his commitment to the Jewish state because "all his friends in Chicago were Jewish - and at the beginning of his political career he was accused of being a puppet of the Israel lobby," Haaretz reports.

According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry:

eg8r
05-30-2012, 05:29 PM
LOL, he is a buffoon.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-31-2012, 08:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G.

Soflasnapper
05-31-2012, 09:48 AM
Ok, you guys make up your mind.

Is Obama supposed to be an expert on everything, and when he fails at that, he is a miserable failure?

Or should he be more a generalist, leaving knowledge of details to a team of expert advisors?

Soflasnapper
05-31-2012, 10:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G. </div></div>

I of anyone on this forum probably best know what you are saying. However, it's far more complicated, in a way that reverses these implications.

As you know, PNAC signers included many who were not Jewish. Zionists, of course, but not Jewish. It's a world power structure thing.

This situation is the making of international financiers with no adherence to Judaism, in a long term geopolitical asset grab dating back more than 100 years. The Jewish people are the worst victims of these efforts, and are but a cats paw, used and abused. The history of such profound abuses is used to manipulate present day attitudes, and they are wholly understandable, if a deadly conceit for the safety of the world.

The properly nuanced view of this is critical, lest a misguided, however righteous, fury leads to another Holocaust.

eg8r
05-31-2012, 11:34 AM
I guess our real problem is trying to keep up with all the facades the lefties have thrown up as to the veracity of the President's cognitive abilities. Many times you guys tell us he is the smartest man on the planet only to turn around and remind us that yet again he was duped by a teleprompter.

eg8r

eg8r
05-31-2012, 11:36 AM
LOL, your view of gayle's vendetta is spot on. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Her attack on Jews will not be thwarted by you no matter how much more you know about this. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r &lt;~~~enjoys watching the two of them bicker /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

DiabloViejo
05-31-2012, 01:19 PM
Judiasm? Is that the inevitable result of a Jewish circle jerk?

eg8r
05-31-2012, 01:35 PM
Ask Obama he is the scholar, well at least that is what he tells them.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
05-31-2012, 02:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What an presumptuous arrogant putz. </div></div>

Of course, what he said is correct.

Held the first Passover seder in the White House. And then held the second and third Passover seders ever.

Picked Rahm Emmanuel for his chief of staff. Rahm served as a volunteer in the IDF, and his father had been a member of Irgun, a Zionist terror group. (For the clueless, Rahm is Jewish.) By rumor, Rahm was the Mossad asset code-named MEGA (I'm neutral on that claim).

His key political advisor, Axelrod, is Jewish. His Chicago crew was likewise so dominated.

Sev
05-31-2012, 03:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G. </div></div>

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Hitler, Stalin and about a billion Muslims salute you.

And you accuse me of be conspiracy advocate???

So let me get this straight.
The American Jews are the source of the countries economic woes.
The American Jews are by far over overwhelmingly democrat.
Therefore its the democrats and their Jewish associates that are destroying America economic wealth.

I guess it want George Bush's fault after all.

Sev
05-31-2012, 03:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What an presumptuous arrogant putz. </div></div>

Of course, what he said is correct.

Held the first Passover seder in the White House. And then held the second and third Passover seders ever.

Picked Rahm Emmanuel for his chief of staff. Rahm served as a volunteer in the IDF, and his father had been a member of Irgun, a Zionist terror group. (For the clueless, Rahm is Jewish.) By rumor, Rahm was the Mossad asset code-named MEGA (I'm neutral on that claim).

His key political advisor, Axelrod, is Jewish. His Chicago crew was likewise so dominated. </div></div>

Wow.

As Jew am I supposed to be impressed because he claims to have Jewish friends??? Or that he decided to hold Passover celebrations which were merely a political calculation.

What a disingenuous putz.

Axelrod? Give me a break. The Nazi's had Jewish cohorts as well.

Sev
05-31-2012, 03:39 PM
The end game is the extermination of the Jews.

However we may go quietly into the night long before they can succeed in the extermination. The Jewish population is shrinking about about 50,000 per year.
In the US 50% of the Jewish population are boomers. The Jewish population in the will be halved in the next few decades by natural attrition.

Soon the world will need to find another scapegoat.

Soflasnapper
05-31-2012, 03:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What an presumptuous arrogant putz. </div></div>

Of course, what he said is correct.

Held the first Passover seder in the White House. And then held the second and third Passover seders ever.

Picked Rahm Emmanuel for his chief of staff. Rahm served as a volunteer in the IDF, and his father had been a member of Irgun, a Zionist terror group. (For the clueless, Rahm is Jewish.) By rumor, Rahm was the Mossad asset code-named MEGA (I'm neutral on that claim).

His key political advisor, Axelrod, is Jewish. His Chicago crew was likewise so dominated. </div></div>

Wow.

As Jew am I supposed to be impressed because he claims to have Jewish friends??? Or that he decided to hold Passover celebrations which were merely a political calculation.

What a disingenuous putz.

Axelrod? Give me a break. The Nazi's had Jewish cohorts as well.
</div></div>

Claimed? His closest political advisor and his most important aide, the chief of staff, did not work for him? He did not chose them?

From a site that finds this troublesome:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Jews who Run Barack Obama

Rahm Emanuel(Jewish), 48, This Illinois Congressman and former Clinton White House adviser has been named White House Chief of Staff for President Elect Obama, bringing a wealth of experience with him. A dual citizen of Israel and lifelong Mossad operative, Emanuel has been a stalwart ally and liaison to the Jewish community. In Washington he is known to be hot-tempered, foul-mouthed, and extremely effective.

David Plouffe(Jewish), 41, Barack Obama’s somewhat reclusive campaign manager, Plouffe is the man who engineered the surprise victory in the Iowa caucuses and reigned over one of the most disciplined campaigns in modern history. When Mr Obama trailed John McCain in the national polls in early September, Plouffe was the man reminding everyone to remain calm. In the end, he was right. Asked whether he’d take a job in the new administration, Plouffe responded: “I’ve done my part.”

David Axelrod(Jewish), 52, The chief strategist behind Mr Obama’s historic win, David Axelrod is perhaps the country’s most successful political consultant who hasn’t moved to Washington. He engineered Mr Obama’s election to the US Senate in 2004 and stuck with him all the way to the White House. Axelrod’s hard-hitting style is largely responsible for the Obama campaign’s extremely aggressive approach to traditionally Republican strongholds. Whether or not he will move there now to join the administration in a Karl Rove-style role is the source of much speculation.

Penny Pritzker(Jewish), 49, The chair of Mr Obama’s national finance committee, Penny Pritzker is perhaps the most powerful woman in America and also one of the richest, as heiress to part of the Pritzker family fortune(believed in excess of $40 billion). Chosen by her late uncle to help oversee the family’s vast portfolio of investments that includes Hyatt hotels, real estate investments, and 40% of the Marmon Group. According to Bloomberg, Penny gets much of the credit for getting Obama elected and for “organizing the best-financed campaign in US history.”

John Podesta(Jewish), 59, Bill Clinton’s White House Chief of Staff from 1998 through to the end of his term, Podesta has been tapped to head President-elect Obama’s transition team. In his new role, he will help Mr Obama to identify Cabinet officials and key members of the incoming administration. Head of the liberal think-tank Centre for American Progress, Podesta stayed largely out of the Democratic primaries.

Pete Rouse(Jewish), 62, Obama’s chief of staff in the Senate, Rouse has been named Deputy White House Chief of Staff for President Elect Obama and appointed co-chairman of Obama’s transition team. Rouse helped prepare a memo, “The Strategic Plan,” for Obama’s first year in the Senate. Having worked on Capitol Hill for more than 30 years, Rouse has come to be known as “the 101st Senator” for his knowledge and skills.

Barack Obama’s Economic Appointments

Timothy Geithner(Jewish) – Secretary, U.S. Treasury Department
Lawrence Summers(Jewish) – Chairman, National Economic Council
Peter Orszag(Jewish) – Director, Office of Management and Budget
Paul Volcker(Jewish) – Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board
Christina Romer(Jewish husband) – Chair, Council of Economic Advisers</div></div>

It's so prevalent that some have called Obama the first Jewish president.

Sev
05-31-2012, 03:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DiabloViejo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Judiasm? Is that the inevitable result of a Jewish circle jerk? </div></div>

That's insightful.
While your at it why dont you inform us as to what a Niggerism is as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Judaism</span>

Judaism (from the Latin Iudaismus, derived from the Greek Ioudaïsmos, and ultimately from the Hebrew יהודה, Yehudah, "Judah";[1][2] in Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת, Yahadut, the distinctive characteristics of the Judean ethnos[3]) is the religion, philosophy, and way of life of the Jewish people.[4] A monotheistic religion originating in the Hebrew Bible (also known as the Tanakh) and explored in later texts such as the Talmud, Judaism is considered by religious Jews to be the expression of the covenantal relationship God developed with the Children of Israel.[5] Rabbinic Judaism holds that God revealed his laws and commandments to Moses on Mount Sinai in the form of both the Written and Oral Torah.[6] This assertion was historically challenged by the Karaites, a movement that flourished in the medieval period, which retains several thousand followers today and maintains that only the Written Torah was revealed.[7] In modern times, liberal movements such as Humanistic Judaism may be nontheistic.[8]

Judaism claims a historical continuity spanning more than 3,000 years. It is one of the oldest monotheistic religions,[9] and the oldest to survive into the present day.[10] The Hebrews / Israelites were already referred to as "Jews" in later books of the Tanakh such as the Book of Esther, with the term Jews replacing the title "Children of Israel".[11] Judaism's texts, traditions and values strongly influenced later Abrahamic religions, including Christianity, Islam and the Baha'i Faith.[12][13] Many aspects of Judaism have also directly or indirectly influenced secular Western ethics and civil law.[14]

Jews are an ethnoreligious group[15] and include those born Jewish and converts to Judaism. In 2010, the world Jewish population was estimated at 13.4 million, or roughly 0.2% of the total world population. About 42% of all Jews reside in Israel and about 42% reside in the United States and Canada, with most of the remainder living in Europe.[16] The largest Jewish religious movements are Orthodox Judaism (Hareidi Judaism and Modern Orthodox Judaism), Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism. A major source of difference between these groups is their approach to Jewish law.[17] Orthodox Judaism maintains that the Torah and Jewish law are divine in origin, eternal and unalterable, and that they should be strictly followed. Conservative and Reform Judaism are more liberal, with Conservative Judaism generally promoting a more "traditional" interpretation of Judaism's requirements than Reform Judaism. A typical Reform position is that Jewish law should be viewed as a set of general guidelines rather than as a set of restrictions and obligations whose observance is required of all Jews.[18][19] Historically, special courts enforced Jewish law; today, these courts still exist but the practice of Judaism is mostly voluntary.[20] Authority on theological and legal matters is not vested in any one person or organization, but in the sacred texts and rabbis and scholars who interpret them.[21]

Sev
05-31-2012, 03:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What an presumptuous arrogant putz. </div></div>

Of course, what he said is correct.

Held the first Passover seder in the White House. And then held the second and third Passover seders ever.

Picked Rahm Emmanuel for his chief of staff. Rahm served as a volunteer in the IDF, and his father had been a member of Irgun, a Zionist terror group. (For the clueless, Rahm is Jewish.) By rumor, Rahm was the Mossad asset code-named MEGA (I'm neutral on that claim).

His key political advisor, Axelrod, is Jewish. His Chicago crew was likewise so dominated. </div></div>

Wow.

As Jew am I supposed to be impressed because he claims to have Jewish friends??? Or that he decided to hold Passover celebrations which were merely a political calculation.

What a disingenuous putz.

Axelrod? Give me a break. The Nazi's had Jewish cohorts as well.
</div></div>

Claimed? His closest political advisor and his most important aide, the chief of staff, did not work for him? He did not chose them?

From a site that finds this troublesome:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Jews who Run Barack Obama

Rahm Emanuel(Jewish), 48, This Illinois Congressman and former Clinton White House adviser has been named White House Chief of Staff for President Elect Obama, bringing a wealth of experience with him. A dual citizen of Israel and lifelong Mossad operative, Emanuel has been a stalwart ally and liaison to the Jewish community. In Washington he is known to be hot-tempered, foul-mouthed, and extremely effective.

David Plouffe(Jewish), 41, Barack Obama’s somewhat reclusive campaign manager, Plouffe is the man who engineered the surprise victory in the Iowa caucuses and reigned over one of the most disciplined campaigns in modern history. When Mr Obama trailed John McCain in the national polls in early September, Plouffe was the man reminding everyone to remain calm. In the end, he was right. Asked whether he’d take a job in the new administration, Plouffe responded: “I’ve done my part.”

David Axelrod(Jewish), 52, The chief strategist behind Mr ObamaÂ’s historic win, David Axelrod is perhaps the countryÂ’s most successful political consultant who hasnÂ’t moved to Washington. He engineered Mr ObamaÂ’s election to the US Senate in 2004 and stuck with him all the way to the White House. AxelrodÂ’s hard-hitting style is largely responsible for the Obama campaignÂ’s extremely aggressive approach to traditionally Republican strongholds. Whether or not he will move there now to join the administration in a Karl Rove-style role is the source of much speculation.

Penny Pritzker(Jewish), 49, The chair of Mr Obama’s national finance committee, Penny Pritzker is perhaps the most powerful woman in America and also one of the richest, as heiress to part of the Pritzker family fortune(believed in excess of $40 billion). Chosen by her late uncle to help oversee the family’s vast portfolio of investments that includes Hyatt hotels, real estate investments, and 40% of the Marmon Group. According to Bloomberg, Penny gets much of the credit for getting Obama elected and for “organizing the best-financed campaign in US history.”

John Podesta(Jewish), 59, Bill ClintonÂ’s White House Chief of Staff from 1998 through to the end of his term, Podesta has been tapped to head President-elect ObamaÂ’s transition team. In his new role, he will help Mr Obama to identify Cabinet officials and key members of the incoming administration. Head of the liberal think-tank Centre for American Progress, Podesta stayed largely out of the Democratic primaries.

Pete Rouse(Jewish), 62, Obama’s chief of staff in the Senate, Rouse has been named Deputy White House Chief of Staff for President Elect Obama and appointed co-chairman of Obama’s transition team. Rouse helped prepare a memo, “The Strategic Plan,” for Obama’s first year in the Senate. Having worked on Capitol Hill for more than 30 years, Rouse has come to be known as “the 101st Senator” for his knowledge and skills.

Barack ObamaÂ’s Economic Appointments

Timothy Geithner(Jewish) – Secretary, U.S. Treasury Department
Lawrence Summers(Jewish) – Chairman, National Economic Council
Peter Orszag(Jewish) – Director, Office of Management and Budget
Paul Volcker(Jewish) – Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board
Christina Romer(Jewish husband) – Chair, Council of Economic Advisers</div></div>

It's so prevalent that some have called Obama the first Jewish president. </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>OMG!!!!</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>IT"S THE JEWS!!!!</span>

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>THOSE DIRTY FRIGGING MONEY LENDERS!!!!</span></span>

<span style="color: #000066"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>AND THEY ARE ALL DEMOCRATS!!!</span></span>

Soflasnapper
05-31-2012, 05:32 PM
Admittedly the joke you responded to was lame, but seriously? As if no one, or even he, doesn't know this?

The danger for Judaism isn't extermination, but assimilation, and the youth falling away from the religion, not practicing it or teaching it to their children, and marrying outside the faith.

The largest source of trouble for the Jewish people is the behavior of the Jewish state, Israel. As a supposed safe haven, it is the last place a Jew would go now to be safe. And the reactions to its neo-colonial expansionist policies create the gravest danger to non-Israeli Jews through fomenting anti-Semitism.

Which is a feature of that program, not a bug. That was its intent, and why the flag features something unrelated to the faith of Judaism.

Sev
05-31-2012, 06:15 PM
That appears to be a danger to most faiths in the USA and Europe.

The Muslims seem to be clinging pretty tightly to theirs though and their numbers are ever increasing.

And now you fall into the trap of scapegoating Israel.
If Israel were really a colonial expansionist they would have claim all the territories that could have been theirs as the spoils of the wars they won.
Quite possibly it would have been in their better interest to do so.

Soflasnapper
05-31-2012, 06:48 PM
They still hold the Golan Heights and the West Bank they seized in the '67 war. They only gave back the Sinai peninsula under duress and the bribes involved with the Camp David Accords, about 1979 or so. They spent 20 years occupying southern Lebanon, and only left under fire from Hizbollah.

Which lands do you claim they had as territories that they didn't keep, because they didn't want to keep them? The Gaza Strip? All their land returns were under duress, and they had clearly meant to keep them. Along with their joint invasion of Egypt with France and Britain to seize the Suez Canal, in Eisenhower's term in office. (Bless Ike, as he called up those countries' leaders and told them in drill instructor language what to do and when.)

Eretz Israel, Greater Israel, is their claimed birthright under Biblical promise, extending past the Levant to the Euphrates in Iraq, and all of Egypt as well. They refuse to demark their claimed boundaries to leave open their continuing territorial claims (one reason why we cannot be a formal ally-- we'd need to know where they claim they are to know if they been attacked in their country).

Sev
05-31-2012, 07:42 PM
They gave back what they won through war made on them under duress and cohesion.
Generally speaking the winners get the spoils of victory.
And yet the Israelis have continually given back and are always portrayed as the bad guys.

I dont believe everything is as we are led to believe by the powers that be.

Qtec
06-01-2012, 04:19 AM
Israel begins migrant deportation amid flaring violence (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18292716)

Q

Sev
06-01-2012, 05:25 AM
Good move on their part.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2012, 07:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G. </div></div>

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Hitler, Stalin and about a billion Muslims salute you.

And you accuse me of be conspiracy advocate???

So let me get this straight.
The American Jews are the source of the countries economic woes.
The American Jews are by far over overwhelmingly democrat.
Therefore its the democrats and their Jewish associates that are destroying America economic wealth.

I guess it want George Bush's fault after all.

</div></div>

I have said this before, and I will say it again.

Being critical of the inhumane activities of the Right wing terrorists in Israel, in no way proves anti-semitism.

Europe is turning against Israel, BECAUSE of their inhumane, WAR CRIMES.

The facts are as they are. Israel refuses to consistantly employ diplomacy, and work for peace. Do you believe that they have a right to kill and starve others, and continue to steal more and more of their land, all because they themselves were once victims of a horrible regime?

Sorry, that does not give them a bye to behave in a way that continues to make the world less safe, for eternity, and that is precisely what they have been doing for the last twenty years.

Additionally, if you don't realize that the powerful Jewish Lobby at the American Enterprise Institute, was behind the push for the illegal, immoral war in Iraq. then you shouldn't bother discussing it.

As for Wall St.?

No greed involved?

No Jewish bankers ior CEO of Financial Institutions involved?

My, had the CEO's at the top who stole the nations wealth, had all been black, or had they all been women, I wonder if someone so fair minded as you, would have even noticed!


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Gayle in MD
06-01-2012, 07:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, your view of gayle's vendetta is spot on. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Her attack on Jews will not be thwarted by you no matter how much more you know about this. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r &lt;~~~enjoys watching the two of them bicker /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Why don't you learn to read?

There is no bickering disagreement between Sofla and myself.

Sofla often adds very good information to whatever I post. I always appreciate his views.

So does Q., as well. I consider both of them my friends, FYI.

That doesn not equal an argument, hard as you work to twist our exchanges into disagreements.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The properly nuanced view of this is critical, lest a misguided, however righteous, fury leads to another Holocaust. </div></div>

Unlike you, I appreciate it when others share their knowledge with me. I do not find that offensive at all. Additionally, I did not detect any full thoated disagreement with the basic points of my post, although Sofla and I may not look at every aspect in exactly the same way.

It may be impossible for you to understand that neither of us is shooting down the other's opinion, as you would like to paint it, but then you are butting in, as usual, with no good intention, understanding for, or information of your own about the discussion, so, as usual, you just continue to stir the pot with more personal attacks.

Adults discuss, children throw mud balls.

G.

Sev
06-01-2012, 07:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G. </div></div>

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Hitler, Stalin and about a billion Muslims salute you.

And you accuse me of be conspiracy advocate???

So let me get this straight.
The American Jews are the source of the countries economic woes.
The American Jews are by far over overwhelmingly democrat.
Therefore its the democrats and their Jewish associates that are destroying America economic wealth.

I guess it want George Bush's fault after all.

</div></div>

I have said this before, and I will say it again.

Being critical of the inhumane activities of the Right wing terrorists in Israel, in no way proves anti-semitism.

Europe is turning against Israel, BECAUSE of their own inhumane, WAR CRIMES.

The facts are as they are. Israel refuses to consistantly employ diplomacy, and work for peace. Do you believe that they have a right to kill and starve others, ad steal more and more of their land, all because they themselves were once victims of a horrible regime?

Sorry, that does not give them a bye to behave in a way that contimues to make the world less safe, and that is precisely what they have been doing for thhe last thirty years.

Additionally, if you don't realize that the powerful Jewish Lobby was behind the push for the illegal, immoral war in Iraq. then you shouldn't bother discussing it.

As for Wall St.?

No greed involved?

No Jewish bankers involved?

My, had the CEO's at the top who stole the nations wealth, had all been black, or had they all been women, I wonder if someone so fair minded as you, would have even noticed!


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Its always the Jews Gayle. Always.

We control every aspect of what occurs in every country on the planet.
We control everything you see, hear and read.
We are the most powerful and oldest shadow government to have ever existed in the world.
Israel is merely stage dressing used to camouflage our true seat of power which to this day remains hidden.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2012, 07:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G. </div></div>

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/200px-Nazi_Swastikasvg.pnghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/200px-Nazi_Swastikasvg.pnghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/200px-Nazi_Swastikasvg.png

Hitler, Stalin and about a billion Muslims salute you.

And you accuse me of be conspiracy advocate???

So let me get this straight.
The American Jews are the source of the countries economic woes.
The American Jews are by far over overwhelmingly democrat.
Therefore its the democrats and their Jewish associates that are destroying America economic wealth.

I guess it want George Bush's fault after all.

</div></div>

I have said this before, and I will say it again.

Being critical of the inhumane activities of the Right wing terrorists in Israel, in no way proves anti-semitism.

Europe is turning against Israel, BECAUSE of their own inhumane, WAR CRIMES.

The facts are as they are. Israel refuses to consistantly employ diplomacy, and work for peace. Do you believe that they have a right to kill and starve others, ad steal more and more of their land, all because they themselves were once victims of a horrible regime?

Sorry, that does not give them a bye to behave in a way that contimues to make the world less safe, and that is precisely what they have been doing for thhe last thirty years.

Additionally, if you don't realize that the powerful Jewish Lobby was behind the push for the illegal, immoral war in Iraq. then you shouldn't bother discussing it.

As for Wall St.?

No greed involved?

No Jewish bankers involved?

My, had the CEO's at the top who stole the nations wealth, had all been black, or had they all been women, I wonder if someone so fair minded as you, would have even noticed!


/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

Its always the Jews Gayle. Always.

We control every aspect of what occurs in every country on the planet.
We control everything you see, hear and read.
We are the most powerful and oldest shadow government to have ever existed in the world.
Israel is merely stage dressing used to camouflage our true seat of power which to this day remains hidden. </div></div>

Gee, all this time I thought it was the Mormons! Or ah...maybe it was the Christians...or was that the Scientologists?
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Oh that's right, it's the Tea Party!
LMAO!

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Sev
06-01-2012, 07:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to Ynet's account of the meeting, President Obama insisted that the perception that he's not a friend of Israel is the work of Republican bigotry: </div></div>

True statement.

IMO, we should be arresting all of the JEWS on Wall St., who stole the country's wealth!

AND ending foreign aid to Israel, since they have committed war crimes, and have refused, over and over, to work for peace, or to behave like human beings, annd instead, they have been starving off their neighbors, depriving them, and their children of food and medicine, while they steal more and more of their land.

In fact, it was the Jewish cabal who pushed us into Iraq. Read the names of those in The American Enterprise Institute, those who originally wrote, The Project For The New American Century!

I know of no ethnic group which has more consistantly failed to assimilate after such a long time of living in America, nor any foreign ally, which has failed to meet our country's requests that they work for peace, more often, than Israel!

Imagine, if Italians across this nation, were forcing our government to allow them to dictate our foreign policy decisions?

Imagine if the British/American citizenry of the sixties and seventies, had organized a group like The American Enterprise Institute, with their main goal to push us into the war in Ireland?

American Jews need to become AMERICANS! They have no business whatsoever, dictating our foreign policies.

Israel is going to get us all blown up! Let them make their own bed, and lay in it! It is time, long past time, for our country to demand more from Israel, in negotiating peace, instead of allowing themm to jjust continue to flip us the bird, everytime we request they take an active rold in forming a peace agreement.

G. </div></div>

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/200px-Nazi_Swastikasvg.pnghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/200px-Nazi_Swastikasvg.pnghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/Sevelli/200px-Nazi_Swastikasvg.png

Hitler, Stalin and about a billion Muslims salute you.

And you accuse me of be conspiracy advocate???

So let me get this straight.
The American Jews are the source of the countries economic woes.
The American Jews are by far over overwhelmingly democrat.
Therefore its the democrats and their Jewish associates that are destroying America economic wealth.

I guess it want George Bush's fault after all.

</div></div>

I have said this before, and I will say it again.

Being critical of the inhumane activities of the Right wing terrorists in Israel, in no way proves anti-semitism.

Europe is turning against Israel, BECAUSE of their own inhumane, WAR CRIMES.

The facts are as they are. Israel refuses to consistantly employ diplomacy, and work for peace. Do you believe that they have a right to kill and starve others, ad steal more and more of their land, all because they themselves were once victims of a horrible regime?

Sorry, that does not give them a bye to behave in a way that contimues to make the world less safe, and that is precisely what they have been doing for thhe last thirty years.

Additionally, if you don't realize that the powerful Jewish Lobby was behind the push for the illegal, immoral war in Iraq. then you shouldn't bother discussing it.

As for Wall St.?

No greed involved?

No Jewish bankers involved?

My, had the CEO's at the top who stole the nations wealth, had all been black, or had they all been women, I wonder if someone so fair minded as you, would have even noticed!


/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

Its always the Jews Gayle. Always.

We control every aspect of what occurs in every country on the planet.
We control everything you see, hear and read.
We are the most powerful and oldest shadow government to have ever existed in the world.
Israel is merely stage dressing used to camouflage our true seat of power which to this day remains hidden. </div></div>

Gee, all this time I thhought it was the Mormons!

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

Its the Jews. Its the Jews.

Who do you think is secretly manning US nuclear bases and has full access to the launch codes.

The is a Jew lurking over the presidents shoulder cleverly disguised as a progressive. We have full access.

Sev
06-01-2012, 07:55 AM
Who do you think is writing all of the defense and intelligence software and leaving backdoor access???

Its the Jews Gayle. The Jews.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2012, 07:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who do you think is writing all of the defense and intelligence software and leaving backdoor access???

Its the Jews Gayle. The Jews. </div></div>

Thanks for the heads up!

G.

Sev
06-01-2012, 08:15 AM
We know where all of you live.

We have The Machine.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2012, 08:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We know where all of you live.

We have The Machine. </div></div>

Good, maybe you all can use it in Tron, where you all came from. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Sev
06-01-2012, 08:29 AM
We control the Fed, cash flow, weapons development and production.

The keys to the kingdom are ours and the rest of you are our serfs.

Soflasnapper
06-01-2012, 09:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They gave back what they won through war made on them under duress and cohesion.
Generally speaking the winners get the spoils of victory.
And yet the Israelis have continually given back and are always portrayed as the bad guys.

I dont believe everything is as we are led to believe by the powers that be. </div></div>

Israel was indeed attacked in the Yom Kippur War. To my knowledge, in the other instances, and in particular the 7-Day War of '67, they started the war(s). Who says that is true? The top military and civilian leadership in charge in '67, in later admissions in memoirs, public statements, etc. Are you unaware of what Begin, Mosche Dayan, Yitzhac Rabin, Yitzhac Shamir, etc., have stated on this matter in their own words?

As for countries keeping other areas they have conquered, that's not been true for some time. We went to war to reverse Iraq's occupation of Kuwait, and brought along a very large global contingent with us. We did not annex Japan or German into US territory after WW II.

Regardless of the general rule, AGGRESSIVE war which one party starts can never see them keep what they may conquer. This is a key rule of international law, and it applies to the Golan Heights and the West Bank, considering Israel started that war under no danger of attack, as they have all admitted in the years since.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> PM Eshkol: "The Egyptian layout in the Sinai and the general military buildup there testified to a military defensive Egyptian set-up, south of Israel."

Meir Amit, chief of Mossad: "Egypt was not ready for a war and Nasser did not want a war."

Menachem Begin: "In June, 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrat*ions in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." (NYT, 21 August 1982</div></div>

Dayan is very clear that Israel coveted the Golan Heights for farming, and took them for that reason, solely.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2012, 09:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We control the Fed, cash flow, weapons development and production.

The keys to the kingdom are ours and the rest of you are our serfs.

</div></div>

The Kingdom? LMAO!

You can have it!

G.

Sev
06-01-2012, 10:05 AM
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