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Sev
06-04-2012, 07:53 PM
Inadvertently captured my ass.
With the rise of the drones comes our enslavement from government overlords.
The use of these things by government agencies within the US should be made illegal by constitutional amendment.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/06/0...to-help-police/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/06/04/the-age-of-drones-military-may-be-using-drones-in-us-to-help-police/)

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>The Age Of Drones: Military May Be Using Drones In US To Help Police</span>

LOS ANGELES (KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO) — As the Federal Aviation Administration helps usher in an age of drones for U.S. law enforcement agencies, the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV’s) domestically by the U.S. military — and the sharing of collected data with police agencies — is raising its own concerns about possible violations of privacy and Constitutional law, according to drone critics.

A non-classified U.S. Air Force intelligence report obtained by KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO dated April 23, 2012, is helping fuel concern that video and other data inadvertently captured by Air Force drones already flying through some U.S. airspace, might end up in the hands of federal or local law enforcement, doing an end-run around normal procedures requiring police to obtain court issued warrants.

“We’ve seen in some records that were released by the Air Force just recently, that under their rules, they are allowed to fly drones in public areas and record information on domestic situations,” says Jennifer Lynch, an attorney with the San Francisco based Electronic Frontier Association, who is looking into various government surveillance techniques.

“This report noted that they are able to collect that information and then determine whether or not they can keep it.”

The revised Air Force report is a continuation of a policy already a few years old, but is causing more alarm now as drones appear poised to soon become a ubiquitous presence in U.S. skies thanks to a federal policy to promote their use, first by law enforcement agencies, and then by commercial concerns.

A “streamlined” process for police departments to apply for permits to fly drones was recently introduced by the FAA.

Drone manufacturers are gearing up to pitch an estimated 18,000 police departments in the U.S. on the benefits of flying drones.

Many law enforcement agencies in Southern California — including the LAPD and Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department — are evaluating the usefulness of drones in the greatly restricted and highly congested airspace that surrounds the L.A. basin.

Neither agency has yet purchased a drone, officials at both departments tell KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO.

Under U.S. Air Force rules, drones are not allowed to conduct “non-consensual surveillance” on U.S. citizens or property, though there are some apparent exceptions.
photo The Age Of Drones: Military May Be Using Drones In US To Help Police

Charles Feldman holds a police UAV in Simi Valley

What has critics alarmed is that data collected by drones accidentally, under the guidelines, can be kept by the military up to three months before being purged and can also be turned over to “another Department of Defense or government agency to whose function it pertains.”

The Air Force guidelines permit using drones domestically to assist law enforcement in “investigating or preventing clandestine intelligence activities by foreign powers, international narcotics activities , or international terrorist activities.” More vague is language that also allows military cooperation with local law enforcement for the purposes of “preventing, detecting, or investigating other violations of law.”

In an email to KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO, Air Force spokesperson Capt. Rose Richeson said, “The Executive Branch has promulgated detailed Departmental and Intelligence Community-wide instructions and directives about when it is appropriate to share information with federal, state, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies consistent with the protection of privacy and civil liberties.”

But Capt. Richeson goes on to say that “a court order or warrant is not required in all circumstances.”

The military’s use of drones domestically will pale by comparison should sales to police departments take off.

AeroVironment, a defense contractor based in Monrovia, California, is trying to market a three-foot long, roughly five-pound drone called Qube specifically to police departments.

Gayle in MD
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A <span style='font-size: 14pt'>non-classified U.S. Air Force intelligence report </span>obtained by <span style='font-size: 14pt'>KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO </span>dated April 23, 2012, is helping fuel concern that video and other data inadvertently captured by Air Force drones already flying through some U.S. airspace,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> might </span>end up in the hands of federal or local law enforcement, doing an end-run around normal procedures requiring police to obtain court issued warrants.

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Pure Speculation! If there were any truth to this, do yu really think it wouldn't be Classified?

Some radio station?

Give me a break! Everyone knows, Repiglicans bought up all of the radio stations, during the Nixon Administration.

What a CROCK of RW BS!

G.

Sev
06-04-2012, 08:19 PM
http://www.infowars.com/epa-using-drones-to-spy-on-cattle-ranchers-in-nebraska-and-iowa/
<span style='font-size: 23pt'>EPA Using Drones to Spy on Cattle Ranchers in Nebraska and Iowa</span>

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
June 4, 2012
http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_martin/Drone%20Surveillance_chun.jpg
Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency is using aerial drones to spy on farmers in Nebraska and Iowa. The surveillance came under scrutiny last week when Nebraska’s congressional delegation sent a joint letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

On Friday, EPA officialdom in “Region 7” responded to the letter.

“Courts, including the Supreme Court, have found similar types of flights to be legal (for example to take aerial photographs of a chemical manufacturing facility) and EPA would use such flights in appropriate instances to protect people and the environment from violations of the Clean Water Act,” the agency said in response to the letter.

“They are just way on the outer limits of any authority they’ve been granted,” said Mike Johanns, a Republican senator from Nebraska.

In fact, the EPA has absolutely zero authority and is an unconstitutional entity of an ever-expanding and rogue federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to legislate in the area of the environment. Under the Tenth Amendment, this authority is granted to the states and their legislatures, not the federal government.

The EPA has not addressed the constitutional question, including its wanton violation of probable cause under the Fourth Amendment. It merely states that it has authority to surveil the private property of farmers and ranchers. It defends its encroaching behavior as “cost-efficient.”

Gayle in MD
06-05-2012, 09:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.infowars.com/epa-using-drones-to-spy-on-cattle-ranchers-in-nebraska-and-iowa/
<span style='font-size: 23pt'>EPA Using Drones to Spy on Cattle Ranchers in Nebraska and Iowa</span>

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
June 4, 2012
http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_martin/Drone%20Surveillance_chun.jpg
Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency is using aerial drones to spy on farmers in Nebraska and Iowa. The surveillance came under scrutiny last week when Nebraska’s congressional delegation sent a joint letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

On Friday, EPA officialdom in “Region 7” responded to the letter.

“Courts, including the Supreme Court, have found similar types of flights to be legal (for example to take aerial photographs of a chemical manufacturing facility) and EPA would use such flights in appropriate instances to protect people and the environment from violations of the Clean Water Act,” the agency said in response to the letter.

“They are just way on the outer limits of any authority they’ve been granted,” said Mike Johanns, a Republican senator from Nebraska.

In fact, the EPA has absolutely zero authority and is an unconstitutional entity of an ever-expanding and rogue federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to legislate in the area of the environment. Under the Tenth Amendment, this authority is granted to the states and their legislatures, not the federal government.

The EPA has not addressed the constitutional question, including its wanton violation of probable cause under the Fourth Amendment. It merely states that it has authority to surveil the private property of farmers and ranchers. It defends its encroaching behavior as “cost-efficient.” </div></div>

OIC, they are being used for the purpose of protecting all of us from those who are polluting the country with their filth and haphazard use of chemicals, and polluting the country!

I'm all for it, in that case! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

However, things are still not decided, apparently, as I got this E-mail from my Party:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>On April 26, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed CISPA </span>- the Cybersecurity Information Sharing and Protection Act - by a vote of 248-168. This week, the Senate may vote on CISPA-like bills (Lieberman-Collins S.2105 or McCain S.2151).

CISPA gives the government, including military spy agencies like the National Security Agency (NSA), virtually unlimited powers to capture our personal information medical records, private emails, financial information all without a warrant or proper oversight.

Tell Your Senators: Stop CISPA

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Civil liberties groups and progressives unanimously opposed the bill, as did Ron Paul. President Obama warned the House that he will veto the bill because it does not protect our privacy, but they ignored his warnings.</span>

Democrats control the Senate, so we should be able to stop CISPA there. Tell your Senators to protect your privacy from Big Brother and oppose CISPA.

</div></div>

Looks like this is a Repiglican effort?

G.

LWW
06-06-2012, 04:31 AM
As we all know, the cabal loves thugocracy.

Soflasnapper
06-09-2012, 11:59 AM
You could program a radio station with these oldies, spinning these old chestnuts, ONE MORE TIME!

Gosh, they never get old. Good times.

Sev
06-10-2012, 06:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.infowars.com/epa-using-drones-to-spy-on-cattle-ranchers-in-nebraska-and-iowa/
<span style='font-size: 23pt'>EPA Using Drones to Spy on Cattle Ranchers in Nebraska and Iowa</span>

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
June 4, 2012
http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_martin/Drone%20Surveillance_chun.jpg
Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency is using aerial drones to spy on farmers in Nebraska and Iowa. The surveillance came under scrutiny last week when Nebraska’s congressional delegation sent a joint letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

On Friday, EPA officialdom in “Region 7” responded to the letter.

“Courts, including the Supreme Court, have found similar types of flights to be legal (for example to take aerial photographs of a chemical manufacturing facility) and EPA would use such flights in appropriate instances to protect people and the environment from violations of the Clean Water Act,” the agency said in response to the letter.

“They are just way on the outer limits of any authority they’ve been granted,” said Mike Johanns, a Republican senator from Nebraska.

In fact, the EPA has absolutely zero authority and is an unconstitutional entity of an ever-expanding and rogue federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution does not authorize Congress to legislate in the area of the environment. Under the Tenth Amendment, this authority is granted to the states and their legislatures, not the federal government.

The EPA has not addressed the constitutional question, including its wanton violation of probable cause under the Fourth Amendment. It merely states that it has authority to surveil the private property of farmers and ranchers. It defends its encroaching behavior as “cost-efficient.” </div></div>

OIC, they are being used for the purpose of protecting all of us from those who are polluting the country with their filth and haphazard use of chemicals, and polluting the country!

I'm all for it, in that case! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

However, things are still not decided, apparently, as I got this E-mail from my Party:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>On April 26, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed CISPA </span>- the Cybersecurity Information Sharing and Protection Act - by a vote of 248-168. This week, the Senate may vote on CISPA-like bills (Lieberman-Collins S.2105 or McCain S.2151).

CISPA gives the government, including military spy agencies like the National Security Agency (NSA), virtually unlimited powers to capture our personal information medical records, private emails, financial information all without a warrant or proper oversight.

Tell Your Senators: Stop CISPA

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Civil liberties groups and progressives unanimously opposed the bill, as did Ron Paul. President Obama warned the House that he will veto the bill because it does not protect our privacy, but they ignored his warnings.</span>

Democrats control the Senate, so we should be able to stop CISPA there. Tell your Senators to protect your privacy from Big Brother and oppose CISPA.

</div></div>

Looks like this is a Repiglican effort?

G. </div></div>

We have been told we have that we should have no expectancy of privacy in public.
However it is a different matter when it comes to our private property.
They are giving no warrants or notification.

The government is exceeding its legal and constitutional authority.

It wont be long till low flying ones begin to be shot down by property owners and hunters.

CISPA is another matter we should be concerned about. Our civil liberties and freedoms are being whittled away one piece of legislation at a time.
The American population is being completely criminalized.

Letting the Patriot Act die would be a good start to turning things around.

LWW
06-10-2012, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could program a radio station with these oldies, spinning these old chestnuts, ONE MORE TIME!

Gosh, they never get old. Good times. </div></div>

Perhaps you might offer a cogent rebuttal explaining why I'm wrong?