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Sev
06-05-2012, 08:29 PM
Good night unions.
Good morning prosperity. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

ugotda7
06-05-2012, 09:02 PM
Bravo......

eg8r
06-05-2012, 09:36 PM
What happened to the 900 billion signatures the lefties received to force this recall? What did they go and change their minds? LOL, the idiot lefties here are going to tell us how corporations swayed the vote with money. LOL, all that does is show us how dumb and gullible those lefties really are. Changing their vote based on a some money thrown at the Rep.

eg8r

LWW
06-06-2012, 02:45 AM
So hw did that recall work out?

Qtec
06-06-2012, 03:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to the 900 billion signatures the lefties received to force this recall? What did they go and change their minds? LOL, the idiot lefties here are going to tell us how corporations swayed the vote with money. LOL, all that does is show us how dumb and gullible those lefties really are. Changing their vote based on a some money thrown at the Rep.

eg8r </div></div>

As usual,you don't know what you are talking about.

exit polls (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/05/us/politics/wisconsin-recall-exit-polls.html)

It was the idiot righties who <u>still</u> voted for Walker knowing that he is a lying corporate lap dog, who is under investigation by the DoJ.

Q

LWW
06-06-2012, 04:17 AM
Your pouty face is a joy to behold.

Sev
06-06-2012, 05:30 AM
Hope & Change we can believe in. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Sev
06-06-2012, 07:13 AM
Uh oh.

Unions go down in 2 California cities.

eg8r
06-06-2012, 08:55 AM
LOL, then that proves you and gaylio really are the idiots you strive to be. You have relentlessly told us that the people of WI would recall Walker and that more and more people each day saw him for the crook he is and would vote to recall. Sorry, but you the two of you are gullible idiots for believing your own BS.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-06-2012, 09:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good night unions.
Good morning prosperity. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Where's the prosperity all across the non-unionized South? Where is it in Florida, likewise?

Where is it in WI right now, since all those changes have been in place for some time already? Any signs yet? When will it start, if it hasn't already?

Obviously, unions are a minor issue in the greater scheme of things, not a cause of much of anything, and certainly not the cause of what's been going on.

Soflasnapper
06-06-2012, 09:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to the 900 billion signatures the lefties received to force this recall? What did they go and change their minds? LOL, the idiot lefties here are going to tell us how corporations swayed the vote with money. LOL, all that does is show us how dumb and gullible those lefties really are. Changing their vote based on a some money thrown at the Rep.

eg8r </div></div>

There was a threshold to bring this to a vote, which was met and exceeded in terms of signatures.

That number was not a majority of WI voters. Obviously that would be a far larger number than a threshold number to bring this vote.

Where did you get that it was a majority of the vote? (If you don't think that, then your post makes no sense.)

eg8r
06-06-2012, 10:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There was a threshold to bring this to a vote, which was met and exceeded in terms of signatures.
</div></div>LOL, don't worry, your excuse was provided a while back. What you fail to mention is the "flurry of excitement" the idiot lefties thought was being generated, but never really was, when the petition received 400,000 more votes than were required to get the ball rolling. By mentioning that large number the idiot lefties thought they could stir some excitement but outside of the union goons nothing really changed. This had nothing to do with the money raised by Walker, even though you fantasize differently, but rather the people of Wi affirming their prior decision.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did you get that it was a majority of the vote? (If you don't think that, then your post makes no sense.)</div></div>I never said it was the majority of the vote and it makes no sense to you because you never bothered to understand what I was posting. To quote you because it fits so perfectly here..."Here's a hint for the future: if you are confused as to why I would say something, or think I don't understand something, yes, you are confused. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif "

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-06-2012, 10:43 AM
This had nothing to do with the money raised by Walker, even though you fantasize differently, but rather the people of Wi affirming their prior decision.

If that is true, the right spent a lot of money unnecessarily. I suspect they know a bit more about the impact of such spending than you do.

There were many dynamics at play in the state. They had to have a PRIMARY before this one, to get the person to run against Walker. The unions did not get their favored candidate which was dispiriting even to them. And then, the guy who won was the guy who had lost originally to Walker, who was a bad campaigner as well as being wholly outgunned financially. He was outraised by Walker alone by 10-1, and then at a $20 million dollar total disadvantage.

There may be some examples of someone who is an incumbent losing after having an overall 6-1 monetary advantage amounting to $20 million in a single state with few media markets (hence, total saturation advantage) as Walker enjoyed, but I cannot think of a single one.

Can you? QED.

eg8r
06-06-2012, 11:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If that is true, the right spent a lot of money unnecessarily.</div></div>I agree. I honestly think both parties waste a lot of unnecessary money.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They had to have a PRIMARY before this one, to get the person to run against Walker. The unions did not get their favored candidate which was dispiriting even to them.</div></div>So now what you are saying is that the union has lost in 3 straight votes. Walker won, then Barrett wins the primary and then Walker beats Barrett again? LOL, that is not enough proof to you that the people of Wi do not place as much weight on the strength of unions as the idiot lefties here on the board?

You can blame this on money, which was your escape goat from the beginning, but the fact is the unions lost 3 times in a row possibly even 4 times if you consider the unions never really liked Barrett in the first place. This is like a neon sign to those with a little common sense that the unions don't have the strength in that state to get what they want. They don't have the strength in the Dem party and especially not across both parties. This wasn't about money raised by Walker but rather the people of Wi once again stating they don't care about the destruction of the unions.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 11:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This had nothing to do with the money raised by Walker, even though you fantasize differently, but rather the people of Wi affirming their prior decision.

If that is true, the right spent a lot of money unnecessarily. I suspect they know a bit more about the impact of such spending than you do.

There were many dynamics at play in the state. They had to have a PRIMARY before this one, to get the person to run against Walker. The unions did not get their favored candidate which was dispiriting even to them. And then, the guy who won was the guy who had lost originally to Walker, who was a bad campaigner as well as being wholly outgunned financially. He was outraised by Walker alone by 10-1, and then at a $20 million dollar total disadvantage.

There may be some examples of someone who is an incumbent losing after having an overall 6-1 monetary advantage amounting to $20 million in a single state with few media markets (hence, total saturation advantage) as Walker enjoyed, but I cannot think of a single one.

Can you? QED.

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Thirty million dollars, most from out-of-state billionaires, to flood the airwaves with lies and propaganda, and a huge majority of people in Wisconsin, who are by and large against recall elections, for any reason, other than documented criminal behavior, while in office.

What I'd like to know is why the guy who ran against Walker, didn't highlight the FACT that Walker has obstructed the investigations into his past criminal behavior.

Additionaly, most of the jobs Walker claims to have created, a lie repeated over and over in his non stop Koch Brothers provided propaganda machine, were provided by President Obama's automobile bail out, not by anything Walker did.


Now we have to look at a cross-eyed liar and crook, claiming victory, and all because of the Citizens United FASCIST decision by the RW Fascist Supreme Court, which legalized secret, unlimited bribery by CEO Billionaire contributors, spending millions of dollars in order to buy elections for the crooked politicians who will clear the way for more corrupt corporate pollicies, all of it against the best interests of our country and our citizens.

Fascism is alive and well in America!

To believe that this election was fair and democratic, one must also subscribe to a philosophy that non stop propaganda has no power over the stupid among us.

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eg8r
06-06-2012, 12:01 PM
This is not proof that facism is alive. This is proof that the people of Wi do not believe unions should be alive. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-06-2012, 12:05 PM
The lost, after they won, you mean?

They'd previously unseated all but one of the senators they'd recalled, if you recall. Either 3 out of 4, or 4 out of 5. Which is how they were close enough this time to take the majority of the Senate with just one more victory as the vote as it stands now indicates is the case.

Democrats controlling the Senate by majority blocks Walker's legislative agenda he had dictated to him from ALEC and the Koch brothers in return for their 30 pieces of silver paid him for betraying the proud history of progressive Wisconsin, home of the legendary fighting Bob Follette.

Hard to see how all of that happened, if you are entirely correct.

Note also, the DEMOCRATIC primary was not THE VOTERS OF WISCONSIN, but only the Democrats. They may very well have chosen the more flawed, less union supported candidate they did out of name recognition, and public service resume. (He is the current mayor of Milwaukee, and the prior year's candidate for governor.) It's not as if he was hostile to unions, or agreeing with Walker, obviously.

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is not proof that facism is alive. This is proof that the people of Wi do not believe unions should be alive. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

No, it is proof that non stop propaganda and lies are about as successful when bought and paid for by polluting crooks like the Koch Brothers, as they are on Fux Noise, at least successful for duping the stupid among us.

The vast majority of voters were against recall elections, not FOR Scott Walker, and most of the voters are for President Obama...over Mitsey.

As for Fascism, none from the right on this forum understand what fascism actually is, so your opinion on that subject, is of no interest to me.

LWW
06-06-2012, 12:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, then that proves you and gaylio really are the idiots you strive to be. You have relentlessly told us that the people of WI would recall Walker and that more and more people each day saw him for the crook he is and would vote to recall. Sorry, but you the two of you are gullible idiots for believing your own BS.

eg8r </div></div>

Yes, they do work hard at it.

Also, not only did Walker win ... but he won by a larger margin than before.

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 12:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Gayle and LWW, we all now completely understand that you two don't like each other. No real need to keep belaboring the point.

My suggestion now is to ignore each other.

Any posts from either of you pointing at the other one will result in an immediate (and very long) ban.

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LWW
06-06-2012, 12:34 PM
Have you noticed how I am stalked by people swearing they are victimized by me because of their own actions?

eg8r
06-06-2012, 01:29 PM
The people of WI have spoken and they are OK with the way Walker is running things.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 02:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The people of WI have spoken and they are OK with the way Walker is running things.

eg8r </div></div>

No, the Koch Brothers have spoken, and they are saying "We can buy any election we want!"


Additionally, we have yet to learn which of the millionaire, or billionaire crooks paid for the robo calls made yesterday to all of the names who signed the recall list, tellng them that if their name was already on the list, they needn't come to the voting stations.

Another Ohio, 2004!

I suppose when the Repiglican culprit is identified, that law breaking Repiglican, too, will write a book, but the title, "How To Throw An Election" is no longer available, because the Republican operative who blocked all of the calls to voters in Ohio, in 2004, telling them where to go to vote, already used that title when he got out of jail, after he was caught, and confessed to throwing the Ohio election, in Bush's favor, of course....like Scooter Libby, he took the fall.

This election is a complete scam.

EVERY SINGLE POLITICAL EXPERT, including all of the pre-election polling data, indicated a very, very close election.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

G.

eg8r
06-06-2012, 03:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, Koch Brother have spoken, and they are saying "We can buy any election we want!"
</div></div>Quit calling the democrats in that state gullibly stupid. LOL, he actually gained a percentage point the second time around. Not bad.

eg8r

Sev
06-06-2012, 05:32 PM
The only scam is the left leaning polsters and media that were trying to dampen republican turnout.

Funny thing about democrats. They always seem to cry wolf when they lose an election.
Its quite predictable.

LWW
06-06-2012, 06:48 PM
Who is Koch Brother, and what did he say?

Soflasnapper
06-06-2012, 07:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The people of WI have spoken and they are OK with the way Walker is running things.

eg8r </div></div>

No, those are two separate things.

One can oppose a recall, and vote against it on that principle, without therefore supporting what a given politician is doing.

Remember the stat from the exit poll: 60% said only use a recall if there is a crime committed by that person, and 10% said never use it, ever.

Voters thinking either of those two (strongly) might very well dislike Walker's actions, and yet find the remedy a bridge too far.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Walker’s approval rating was poor at this time last year, after he stripped collective bargaining rights from most of the state’s public workers. In May 2011, his job approval rating averaged 42 percent across different polls, versus an average disapproval rating of 55 percent.

In an average of polls conducted so far this May, however, Mr. Walker’s approval rating averages 50 percent, with 46 percent disapproving. </div></div>

From a May 22 piece, here. (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/in-wisconsin-walker-is-likely-to-survive-recall/)

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 07:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is not proof that facism is alive. This is proof that the people of Wi do not believe unions should be alive. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

Nothing could be farther from the truth, as the polling data proves, not only in Wisconsin, but across this country. Americans are by a very large margin, in favor of preserving the right to organize, unionize, and negotiate for decent pay annd working environments, and decent retirements, health care, and opportunity.

Just as polling data proves that the vast majority of Americans, want those making over two-hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, to pay more taxes on their incomes, above that number.

G.

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 07:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only scam is the left leaning polsters and media that were trying to dampen republican turnout.

Funny thing about democrats. They always seem to cry wolf when they lose an election.
Its quite predictable. </div></div>

Yes, it is predictable, because Republicans are always throwing elections, one way or another.

2000, 2004, both were thrown by illegal Republican activities.

As I said, one of their operatives went to jail and then wrote a book about how he threw the election in Ohio, in 2004, back when all of you righties voted the second time for George Bush, when he had already pushed the deficit up to 7.6 trillion dollars, and by the time President Obama was sworn in, the deficit was at 10.7 trillion dolars.

Now, Repigs are doing what they always do, blaming the Democrats for not being able to pull a rabbit out of a magical hat, and clear up the results of all of the Republican corruption, spending, borrowing, warring and cutting taxes. and


Perpetually Republicans spend like drunken sailors, and always failing to pay for any of it, followed by the usual disastrous republican legacy they always leave behind them, they incredibly continue to blame Democrats, for not clearly turning around their disasters fast enough to suit their sorry asses.

G.

Sev
06-06-2012, 07:40 PM
Yes and Obama will have the deficit up to 17 trillion in under 4 years.
They are calling on more borrowing and spending since interest rates are so cheap.

Reminds me of a woman bragging about how much money she save on all the things she bought because they were on sale and not understand she would have actually save money by not buying anything at all.

You democrats are every bit as bad as the republicans and just as guilty for the state of affairs this country is in.

Gayle in MD
06-06-2012, 08:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes and Obama will have the deficit up to 17 trillion in under 4 years.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Such a silly statement.

Do you think that Obama borrowed all of that money from 2000 through 2009? Do you think we aren't paying interest on that money that Bush spent, and borrowed?

We lost revenue, because of the Bush Tax cuts.

Bush spent over 700 billion dollars on the bail out, with no strings attached.

Bush had a deficit of 10.7 trillion dollars, whenn Obama took office, did you think that deficit had no impact on our ability to deal with the Bush Recession, the global economic crash, the two unfinished wars, the unpaid for Bush entitlement giveaway to the pharmaceutical industry?

Do you realize how many jobs we lost under George Bush, and the Republican blank check congress, and how far the Middle Class dropped in their wages, under George Bush? George Bush did not create anything BUT debt!

Do you realize that NOTHING trickled down, no matter how many give-aways, loopholes and tax cuts Bush gave to the wealthiest top millionaires and billionaires in this country, and no matter how many subsidies he gave away to oil, pharma, coal, insurance, and no bid contracts to war profiteering pigs, there was not one single job created by George Bush, yet you righties want more of the same? Pahleeeze!

We were just fine, when Clinton left office. AND, we'll be just fine again, by the time president Obama leaves, in January, of twenty-seventeen. </span>

They are calling on more borrowing and spending since interest rates are so cheap.

<span style="color: #CC0000">We need to invest on our crumbling infrastructure, which WILL create jobs.

We need to invest in clean, renewable fuels.

We need to save our social insurance programs, SS, Medicare, and Medicaid.

We need to tighten regulations on the Wall St. Pigs, the oil industry, the medical and pharmaceutical industry, and the insurance industry.

We need to invest in excellent education for our children, feed the hungry, and take care of the ill, who are too poor to take care of themselves.

NOT subsidize the wealthy! Not give more tax cuts to those who are creating NOTHING, billionaires, just hoarding their billions, and getting off paying little to no taxes, while hiding their money off shore, like Mitt Romney. It's time to Quit Mitt Mutt $hit Quick!

No more tax cuts for the top wealthiest in the country! That has got to stop! We must raise taxes on the wealthy. The do NOT create JOBS!

No more subsidies for the record breaking profit making polluters!

Not launch more Republican hawk wars for war contracting crooks, and disallow representaties to ever work for lobbyists, or war contractors, after they leave office.

They should never be able to immediately go to work in the Military Industrial/Congressional Complex, pushing us into more wars!

We must end the welfare for the wealthiest, NOW!

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Not continue to subscribe to the totally FAILED trickle-down theory of fascism, that led to this disaster in the first place.</span>This is no time for austerity, as Europe has proven for us, quite clearly, right under our noses.

Republicans were the parrots of,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> "The deficits don't matter"</span> remember??? Not Democrats!

Republican Policies led us into this ditch!

Now, we must spend some money, and invest, in order to recover, and CREATE JOBS WHICH THE CORRUPT CORPORATE THIEVES CANNOT OUTSOURCE. AND...Not cut taxes for the richest thieves in the country! Over eventy percent of Americans think we shold raise taxes on the wealthy, AND there is a whole list of so called REagan Conservatives, who think the same way, Greenspan among them. He said years ago, it would be incredibly irresponsible NOT to expire the Bush tax cuts or the wealthy! YEARS AGO! David Stockman, said the same thing, remember him, Reagan's budget guy?

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Reminds me of a woman bragging about how much money she save on all the things she bought because they were on sale and not understand she would have actually save money by not buying anything at all.

<span style="color: #CC0000">LMAO! Typical Republican styled, misogynistic statement.

Most of the women I know are amazing managers of their household finances. NONE of them hire or sign up with No-Bid Contracters, I can assure you of THAT! </span>

You democrats are every bit as bad as the republicans and just as guilty for the state of affairs this country is in.

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<span style="color: #CC0000">No Way Sherlock! No Way!

But you just keep on repeating that Repiglican lie, over and over again, I know that's the Republican way, so carry on, friend, if it makes you feel better, just don't expect thinking individuals to buy it!

Bush put us in this trick bag, and it is one of the worst trick bags we have EVER been in, EVER. Republicans have moved so far right, they are falling off the edge of the globe! AND, they have raised up a whole generation and trained them with propaganda to vote against their own best financial interests, and tht is precisely what we saw in Wisconsin!

"What's The Matter With Wisconsin?"





Additionally, no one who voted for George Bush in 2004, after they had already watched him run up 7.6 tillion dollars in debts, and no letting up in sight, while he had long before waste our budget surplus, as well, digging us into a debt ditch, has any business being critical of how American women manage their money, or what Democrats are responsible for, because they surely were not responsible for what Bush and the Blank Check Repiglican Congress did to this country!

G.</span>

eg8r
06-07-2012, 08:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's the prosperity all across the non-unionized South? Where is it in Florida, likewise?
</div></div>Where's the prosperity all across unionized Michigan? Those union workers in Detroit have just been living the dream this past decade haven't they.

eg8r

eg8r
06-07-2012, 08:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remember the stat from the exit poll: 60% said only use a recall if there is a crime committed by that person, and 10% said never use it, ever.
</div></div>Also remember they still had a choice when they went in and they voted the status quo.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Voters thinking either of those two (strongly) might very well dislike Walker's actions</div></div>Knowing your argument is weak let me point it out for you that the opposite is equally true.

eg8r

eg8r
06-07-2012, 08:39 AM
Isn't it funny how they Dems come out of the wood work claiming this and that when they lose yet when they win they call everyone else a sore losers.

eg8r