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Qtec
06-07-2012, 05:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Florida election officials responded late Wednesday to a Department of Justice warning to quit purging suspected non-citizens from state voter rolls with an unapologetic explanation and no agreement to stop.

The letter Florida sent to the Justice Department met a deadline set by the federal government late last month, but will likely trigger an extended legal battle between the state and federal governments and advocacy organizations. Florida's response cited a medley of laws governing voting and used language strikingly similar to that of conservative advocacy groups <span style='font-size: 14pt'>claiming widespread voter fraud threatens the integrity of national elections.</span> </div></div>

Widespread voter fraud in Florida? How many times have we heard that from Rove and the rabid RW nutjobs?

As usual,its total BS.

From the horses mouth.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Voter Fraud Extremely Rare In Florida: ‘More Likely To Get Hit By A Bolt Of Lightning’</span>

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Rick Scott and his Department of State have been talking about voter fraud in Florida since 2011, shortly after Scott took office.

"We need to have fair elections," Scott said Monday, justifying the identification of more than 2,600 "noncitizens" that the state recently urged county supervisors of elections to purge from the voter rolls. That followed a 2011 legislative rewrite of the election law, again in the name of preventing fraud.

"When you go out to vote, you want to make sure that the other individuals that are voting have a right to vote," Scott added. </div></div>

...and the truth is??????????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But notwithstanding the concerns of Scott and Republican legislators, state records show that voter fraud simply hasn't been a problem for the past decade.

According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, <span style="color: #3333FF">178 cases of <u>alleged</u> voter fraud have been referred to the department <u>since 2000.</u></span> FDLE's spreadsheet showed<span style='font-size: 14pt'> 11 arrests,</span> but that apparently didn't include a 2009 bust of ACORN <span style='font-size: 14pt'>registration</span> volunteers in Miami-Dade that yielded seven convictions and sentences ranging from probation to 72 days in jail.<span style="color: #990000">[ which is not voter fraud ]</span>

"It's just not widespread," said Vicki Davis, president of the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections and the supervisor for Martin County.

Added Mary Cooney, public-services director for the Broward Elections Office: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"While there may have been complaints about perceived voter fraud, I am not aware of any actual cases which were turned over to law enforcement."</span> </div></div>

Why is that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still, many elections officials argue that Florida elections are cleaner than ever, <span style="color: #3333FF">thanks to reforms instituted after the vote-count debacle in the 2000 presidential election.

A task force appointed by then-Gov. Jeb Bush recommended major changes. Ultimately, the Legislature required counties to use optical-scan voting machines, created statewide standards for recounts and provided $2 million for a centralized voter database. The law also allowed voters whose status was questioned at the polls to cast "provisional ballots" that are counted if they subsequently produce proof of eligibility.

Ion Sancho, the 24-year veteran election supervisor in Leon County, said the voter database has allowed local election officials to catch potential fraud before it occurs. New registrations are checked by the state against other state records to ensure that the person actually exists before the registration is official.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Fraud, he said, simply isn't much of an issue.</span>

"You are more likely to walk out of your office and get hit by a bolt of lightning," he said.</span> </div></div>

link (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/fl-voter-fraud-fact-check-20120605,0,4866979.story)

Even the most partisan cannot ignore these facts. The only reason for all these costly REGULATIONS can only be for one reason, voter suppression.







Q

Gayle in MD
06-07-2012, 05:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Florida election officials responded late Wednesday to a Department of Justice warning to quit purging suspected non-citizens from state voter rolls with an unapologetic explanation and no agreement to stop.

The letter Florida sent to the Justice Department met a deadline set by the federal government late last month, but will likely trigger an extended legal battle between the state and federal governments and advocacy organizations. Florida's response cited a medley of laws governing voting and used language strikingly similar to that of conservative advocacy groups <span style='font-size: 14pt'>claiming widespread voter fraud threatens the integrity of national elections.</span> </div></div>

Widespread voter fraud in Florida? How many times have we heard that from Rove and the rabid RW nutjobs?

As usual,its total BS.

From the horses mouth.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Voter Fraud Extremely Rare In Florida: ‘More Likely To Get Hit By A Bolt Of Lightning’</span>

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Rick Scott and his Department of State have been talking about voter fraud in Florida since 2011, shortly after Scott took office.

"We need to have fair elections," Scott said Monday, justifying the identification of more than 2,600 "noncitizens" that the state recently urged county supervisors of elections to purge from the voter rolls. That followed a 2011 legislative rewrite of the election law, again in the name of preventing fraud.

"When you go out to vote, you want to make sure that the other individuals that are voting have a right to vote," Scott added. </div></div>

...and the truth is??????????

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But notwithstanding the concerns of Scott and Republican legislators, state records show that voter fraud simply hasn't been a problem for the past decade.

According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, 178 cases of <u>alleged</u> voter fraud have been referred to the department since 2000. FDLE's spreadsheet showed<span style='font-size: 14pt'> 11 arrests,</span> but that apparently didn't include a 2009 bust of ACORN <span style='font-size: 14pt'>registration</span> volunteers in Miami-Dade that yielded seven convictions and sentences ranging from probation to 72 days in jail.<span style="color: #990000">[ which is not voter fraud ]</span>

"It's just not widespread," said Vicki Davis, president of the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections and the supervisor for Martin County.

Added Mary Cooney, public-services director for the Broward Elections Office: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"While there may have been complaints about perceived voter fraud, I am not aware of any actual cases which were turned over to law enforcement."</span> </div></div>

Why is that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still, many elections officials argue that Florida elections are cleaner than ever, <span style="color: #3333FF">thanks to reforms instituted after the vote-count debacle in the 2000 presidential election.

A task force appointed by then-Gov. Jeb Bush recommended major changes. Ultimately, the Legislature required counties to use optical-scan voting machines, created statewide standards for recounts and provided $2 million for a centralized voter database. The law also allowed voters whose status was questioned at the polls to cast "provisional ballots" that are counted if they subsequently produce proof of eligibility.

Ion Sancho, the 24-year veteran election supervisor in Leon County, said the voter database has allowed local election officials to catch potential fraud before it occurs. New registrations are checked by the state against other state records to ensure that the person actually exists before the registration is official.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Fraud, he said, simply isn't much of an issue.</span>

"You are more likely to walk out of your office and get hit by a bolt of lightning," he said.</span> </div></div>

link (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/fl-voter-fraud-fact-check-20120605,0,4866979.story)





Q </div></div>

I saw several of the Florida Election Supervisors interviewed over the past several days. There is now, no question, that Rick Scott was intentionally trying to purge those who vote Democratic, specifically, from being able to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

Why isn't he indicted over this???? Clearly, it is a FEDERAL OFFENCE!!!!

I don't suppose the FACT that George Bush corrupted the entire DOJ, and Repubs have blocked President Obama's Federal Judicial appointments to the point that our entire court system is under emergency backlog, due to the continued corruption, and unprecedented obstruction which is blatant throughout the current majority, Republican House of Reps, has anything to do with it?

Absolutely disgusting, and absolutely typical of Republican corruption, which only gets worse as time goes by.

G.

Qtec
06-07-2012, 06:13 AM
Unfortunately G, in the USA politicians can utter any BS and get away with it. Facts don't matter.

Q

Gayle in MD
06-07-2012, 08:03 AM
It's is a disgrace, but the fact that Karl Rove is walking around free, is proof that there is no law in this country.

G.

eg8r
06-07-2012, 08:58 AM
LOL, you really are missing the boat here. Jeb puts in major changes and then tells you that fraud is not an issue. It isn't an issue because the major changes are effective. Scott is going to the next level and making sure those that get by the system are also going to be caught.

Why do you oppose making sure the voter is a legitimate voter?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-07-2012, 11:22 AM
Pathetic!

eg8r
06-07-2012, 12:04 PM
Yes you are, and I applaud the fact that you choose to spend your time proving it more and more every day.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-08-2012, 04:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes you are, and I applaud the fact that you choose to spend your time proving it more and more every day.

eg8r </div></div>

You're pathetic.

The Florida Election Supervisors have refused to break Florida Law, AND Federal laws, at the behest of Governor Rick Scott!

In several recent interviews over the last five days, a number of Florida Election Supervisors, have clearly stated that Rick Scott's obvious intentions are to keep those American Citizens, who traditionally vote for Democrats, from voting, he is trying to thwart, block, obstruct their Constitutional right to vote, for political purposes.

There is nothing to argue about here, these are the facts.

Rick Scott, is trying to force them to break the Federal Election laws of the land, and they, the Florida election supervisors, are all saying on a number of interviews, there is no actual issue of illegal voting, in their precincts, and they are telling your corrupt Republican Governor, that they refuse to break the Florida, and Federal laws, at his direction.

Facts are facts.

G.

Sev
06-08-2012, 06:07 AM
Anybody that is on the voter rolls and is not qualified to vote should be removed from the rolls.

Scott is enforcing federal election law.
It appears that the DOJ is obstructing again.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2012, 06:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody that is on the voter rolls and is not qualified to vote should be removed from the rolls.

Scott is enforcing federal election law.
It appears that the DOJ is obstructing again. </div></div>


Scott is NOT enforcing Federal law, he is breaking Federal law, and Florida Law.


Did you read my post? These are not DOJ people. They are dedicated Florida Election Supervisors, some of them former law attorney's themselves.

They are saying there is no fraud going on, certainly not enough to even worry about. what they are saying has been tested and proven.

This Governor is sending them lists of names, telling them to break the law, to prevent those U.S. citizens from voting.

Such a request is against the law, not just Florida law, which states that nothing even close to this can be done so near an election time, but this is against the COTUS!

They, the election supervisors, are refusing to break our Federal Laws, AND exposing his lies about voter fraud, and saying in plain english, that he is only trying to remove Democratic Voters, and prevent them from exercising their constitutiona rights to vote.

Not just one of them, but nearly ALL of the Election Supervisors are saying this.

DOJ has nothing to do with their decisions, their decisions are according to their own integrity, and their knowledge of the written laws of their state, and in the Constitution Of The United States Of America, and their desire to follow the laws, Federal and State, and not risk breaking them to suit a partisan Governor, trying to fix an election.

How would you like it if you went to the center vote, and suddenly after voting your whole life, they said you couldn't vote anymore unless you prove you are a citizen?

G.

Sev
06-08-2012, 06:19 AM
I would say nearly all of them are lying.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2012, 06:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would say nearly all of them are lying. </div></div>

Oh really, and how would you know more than the Florida Election Supervisors.

They are the ones who were checking up on the lists he had sent to themm, annd they are the ones saying these people are Americans, some of them eighty years old, Veterans, who have voted their entire lives, and now, at the eleventh hour, Election Supervisors are being told to break the FEDERAL law, AND THE STATE LAWS.

The Election Supervisors are not all Democrats, you know. Many of them are Republicans. Some are even JEWS!



G.

Sev
06-08-2012, 06:57 AM
Why should I believe anything they say considering all of the shenanigans and jury rigging that occurs in FL?

According to the state there are over 100,000 voter registrations that are in question.
If that is the case they need to be investigated.
I would tend to believe not all of them are fraudulent.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2012, 08:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should I believe anything they say considering all of the shenanigans and jury rigging that occurs in FL?

According to the state there are over 100,000 voter registrations that are in question.
If that is the case they need to be investigated.
I would tend to believe not all of them are fraudulent. </div></div>

Because the history of corruption in Florida, was practiced by the Repiglicans, as we know know, under the corrupt Katherine Harris, and her boyfriend, Gov. Bush.

The Election Supervisors are the people who check on voter eligibility. They laugh at that false statistic. They have been very clear, that this fiasco is nothing but a political project, to throw the election Repiglicans way, and block segments of eligibla American citizens, who vote Democratic.

Why would you take anyone else's word, over Republican and Democratic Election Supervisors, who have been working through Rick Scott's lists, when Rick Scott is a proven crook, and the list is far friendlier to Repiglicans in the first place.

Floriduh? Again? Looking for another RW Supreme Court, irrational, crooked suspension of settled law, to throw another Presidential election to Mitsey?

Not this time.

G.

Sev
06-08-2012, 09:34 AM
As if the democrats are pure as driven snow.

5 months left a peoples wallets are still empty. I dont think we need to worry about a recount this time around.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2012, 09:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As if the democrats are pure as driven snow.

5 months left a peoples wallets are still empty. I dont think we need to worry about a recount this time around.

</div></div>

To the contrary, mu business is booming, has been all along, AND retail sales are up across the country, have been for months.

Unemployment applications are down.

The Home Building industry (new homes) is showing signs of recovery.

The AMERICAN automobile industry is booming again.

bin Laden, is dead.

Al Qaeda is smashed.

Our troops are virtually out of the Iraq War.

We are finally on our way out of Afghanistan.

We have won back the respect of our allies, and the world.

The President kept the country from falling into The Bush Depression.

The only thing that is being held up, is the President's jobs program, and the president's important appointments, both of which Repiglicans have totally blocked, and will continue to block for all of the same unpatriotic reasons they have been shamelessly blocking our recovery, all along, for their own political gain, at the expense of the remianing jobless Americans among us, and as the class warring Repiglicans continue to throw as many public employees out of work as they can, based on their lies about their individual states, and just as they have done since this president took the oath of office, after Repiglican policies failed miserably.

PIGS!

G.