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Sev
06-14-2012, 06:26 AM
Good points.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/14/squealing-vs-killing/

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Squealing vs. killing</span>

If you are still listening to those in the political class who are falling over each other to condemn leaks from the government to the media, youíd think the leaks had revealed private information in which the public has no legitimate interest, or perhaps a planned secret government mission to rescue innocents. Neither is the case.

Republicans and Democrats in Congress, most of them from the House and Senate intelligence committees, have blasted the White House for leaking to The New York Times and others the existence of President Obamaís secret kill list and his cyber-warfare against Iran. According to those doing the blasting, the leaks were made in order to bolster the presidentís War on Terror credentials with voters in anticipation of an onslaught against those credentials by Gov. Mitt Romney in the coming fall presidential campaign.

So, who has violated the Constitution and federal law, who has caused more harm and who has performed more of a disservice to the nation: those who leaked the truth to the media, or the president, who caused death and destruction among those he hates and fears?

We already know the basic facts, as the White House has denied none of this. The president meets every Tuesday morning with a select group of military, intelligence, national security and, occasionally, political advisers and reviews the background and photos of persons in foreign countries whom he hates or fears, some of whom are Americans. He then personally decides whom among them to kill. Then he dispatches civilian agents of the government, no doubt the CIA, to do the killing using drones. He uses the CIA to do this because if he used the military, federal law requires public reporting of that use and, eventually, congressional approval. Some of the killings have taken place in Yemen, a country that has welcomed them, and some in Pakistan, a country that has condemned them. We are at war with neither.

We also know that the president has directed the CIA to use technology to disrupt the workings of computers in Iran on a grand scale. The government of Iran consists of a gaggle of religious fanatics and crackpots who have threatened the U.S. and Israel until they are blue in the face, but these misguided authoritarians have not harmed the US or any of our allies. And of course, we are not at war with Iran.

Nevertheless, the president, with the knowledge of certain members of Congress but without the consent of the House and the Senate as the law requires, destabilized and caused physical harm and financial loss to millions of innocent people in Iran -- physicians, hospital administrators, business people, academics, pro-Western students, shopkeepers -- when major computer servers there were immobilized. Just imagine the chaos -- and the political reaction -- should Iranian agents cause all that computer damage here.

The president is evading federal law on the use of the military by having the now-paramilitary CIA kill people in foreign countries with drones and disrupt a foreign population with a cyber-war. And he is violating the Constitution and federal law by starting wars on his own. But the loudest and most sanctimonious of politicians are not demanding that the president follow the Constitution and the laws he has sworn to uphold. Rather, they are demanding to know who told the media about the presidentís war making.

Which is ultimately more harmful to freedom: that the president on his own kills and maims and destroys, or that some people in our own government who have greater fidelity to the Constitution than loyalty to an out-of-control presidency -- and who are protected by law when they reveal government crimes -- tell us what the president is up to? What kind of politicians complain about truthful revelations of unconstitutional behavior by the government, but not about death and destruction, and, letís face it, criminal abuse of power by the president? Only cynical power-hungry politicians who have disdain for the Constitution they have sworn to uphold could do this with a straight face.

The presidentís use of drones and cyber-warfare to kill people and to destabilize a foreign population, without a formal declaration of war, is the moral equivalent of an illegal war. When President Nixon started a war on his own in Cambodia, Congress enacted legislation over his veto to prevent that from happening again. Yet, the members of Congress who are demanding to know who told the truth to the media about President Obamaís war making apparently agree with his unlawful use of the war-making power he has stolen from them.

How base our culture has become when the hunt for truth tellers is more compelling than the cessation of unlawful government killing. If the president can fight private wars and start public ones on his own, and the public is induced to focus on those who have told us what he is doing and not on his misdeeds themselves, and Congress remains a potted plant or willing dupe, the president can get away with anything.

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LWW
06-14-2012, 06:40 AM
The judge calls it as it is.

Meanwhile the same cabal which condemned Bush as a criminal for going through all the proper legal steps will cheer a gangster state as righteous for wiping I'd arse with the rule of law.

Only total morons believe that placing a caterpillar in a murderer's cell constitutes a war crim while also believing that premeditated murder of US citizens constitutes proper justice.

Gayle in MD
06-14-2012, 07:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good points.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/14/squealing-vs-killing/

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Squealing vs. killing</span>

If you are still listening to those in the political class who are falling over each other to condemn leaks from the government to the media, youíd think the leaks had revealed private information in which the public has no legitimate interest, or perhaps a planned secret government mission to rescue innocents. Neither is the case.

Republicans and Democrats in Congress, most of them from the House and Senate intelligence committees, have blasted the White House for leaking to The New York Times and others the existence of President Obamaís secret kill list and his cyber-warfare against Iran. According to those doing the blasting, the leaks were made in order to bolster the presidentís War on Terror credentials with voters in anticipation of an onslaught against those credentials by Gov. Mitt Romney in the coming fall presidential campaign.

So, who has violated the Constitution and federal law, who has caused more harm and who has performed more of a disservice to the nation: those who leaked the truth to the media, or the president, who caused death and destruction among those he hates and fears?

We already know the basic facts, as the White House has denied none of this. The president meets every Tuesday morning with a select group of military, intelligence, national security and, occasionally, political advisers and reviews the background and photos of persons in foreign countries whom he hates or fears, some of whom are Americans. He then personally decides whom among them to kill. Then he dispatches civilian agents of the government, no doubt the CIA, to do the killing using drones. He uses the CIA to do this because if he used the military, federal law requires public reporting of that use and, eventually, congressional approval. Some of the killings have taken place in Yemen, a country that has welcomed them, and some in Pakistan, a country that has condemned them. We are at war with neither.

We also know that the president has directed the CIA to use technology to disrupt the workings of computers in Iran on a grand scale. The government of Iran consists of a gaggle of religious fanatics and crackpots who have threatened the U.S. and Israel until they are blue in the face, but these misguided authoritarians have not harmed the US or any of our allies. And of course, we are not at war with Iran.

Nevertheless, the president, with the knowledge of certain members of Congress but without the consent of the House and the Senate as the law requires, destabilized and caused physical harm and financial loss to millions of innocent people in Iran -- physicians, hospital administrators, business people, academics, pro-Western students, shopkeepers -- when major computer servers there were immobilized. Just imagine the chaos -- and the political reaction -- should Iranian agents cause all that computer damage here.

The president is evading federal law on the use of the military by having the now-paramilitary CIA kill people in foreign countries with drones and disrupt a foreign population with a cyber-war. And he is violating the Constitution and federal law by starting wars on his own. But the loudest and most sanctimonious of politicians are not demanding that the president follow the Constitution and the laws he has sworn to uphold. Rather, they are demanding to know who told the media about the presidentís war making.

Which is ultimately more harmful to freedom: that the president on his own kills and maims and destroys, or that some people in our own government who have greater fidelity to the Constitution than loyalty to an out-of-control presidency -- and who are protected by law when they reveal government crimes -- tell us what the president is up to? What kind of politicians complain about truthful revelations of unconstitutional behavior by the government, but not about death and destruction, and, letís face it, criminal abuse of power by the president? Only cynical power-hungry politicians who have disdain for the Constitution they have sworn to uphold could do this with a straight face.

The presidentís use of drones and cyber-warfare to kill people and to destabilize a foreign population, without a formal declaration of war, is the moral equivalent of an illegal war. When President Nixon started a war on his own in Cambodia, Congress enacted legislation over his veto to prevent that from happening again. Yet, the members of Congress who are demanding to know who told the truth to the media about President Obamaís war making apparently agree with his unlawful use of the war-making power he has stolen from them.

How base our culture has become when the hunt for truth tellers is more compelling than the cessation of unlawful government killing. If the president can fight private wars and start public ones on his own, and the public is induced to focus on those who have told us what he is doing and not on his misdeeds themselves, and Congress remains a potted plant or willing dupe, the president can get away with anything.

COPYRIGHT 2012 ANDREW P. NAPOLITANO. DISTRIBUTED BY CREATORS.COM </div></div>

I'm sure you righties would prefer that he lie all of us into a war, in order to assist his cronies in war profiteering!

When it comes to illegal, law breaking, treason, leaking used as a beat down to those who tell the country the truth, AND killing massive numbers of AMericans, no rightie should mind any of it, given their relentless defense of Bush et al, who did all of that on a massive level, and more, and then pretended they couoldn't recall any of it, burning the evidence, lying under oath to cover it up!

Your "Article" iis full of lies, btw....

G.

G.

Sev
06-14-2012, 02:58 PM
Uh huh.

Soflasnapper
06-15-2012, 09:57 AM
This has been going forever, as soon as presidents did wars without Congressional votes for a war declaration. Korea and Truman began the trend. Most of the presidents since, possibly excepting Carter, have followed suit.

The former judge is old enough to have called all of them out in the past. I don't think he has, but I could be wrong.

But those 'squealing' about it now should be asked whether they equally decried Eisenhower's Bay of Pigs invasion plans, Nixon's air war on Cambodia, Reagan's Grenada invasion, Bush 41's 'Operation Just Cause' invasion of Panama and capture of Noreiga, or Clinton's Kosovo war. All illegal acts of war, under the same analysis as is used here.

The CIA has been used for operations short of actual war, including sabotage, assassinations, and the whole gamut of things, basically since its inception in the '50s. The main difference here is that its role now is acknowledged, whereas before all it did was covert, plausibly denied, and therefore denied.

Cheney ran the last DIA covert killing teams, but usually all presidents had this capability one way or another. LBJ exclaimed 'we were running a god-damned Murder Incorporated out of the Carribean' even in his day. To make it 'legal' only requires a presidential finding be signed, and then eventually briefed to the senior members of the Intelligence Oversight committees.