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Sev
06-14-2012, 04:49 PM
Yah its real good idea putting all your healthcare eggs in a government basket. Its not worth the risk.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/14/us-greece-health-idUSBRE85D1IO20120614

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>Greek health system crumbles under weight of crisis</span>

(Reuters) - Greece's rundown state hospitals are cutting off vital drugs, limiting non-urgent operations and rationing even basic medical materials for exhausted doctors as a combination of economic crisis and political stalemate strangle health funding.

With Greece now in its fifth year of deep recession, trapped under Europe's biggest public debt burden and dependent on international help to keep paying its bills, the effects are starting to bite deeply into vital services.

"It's a matter of life and death for us," said Persefoni Mitta, head of the Cancer Patients' Association, recounting the dozens of calls she gets a day from Greeks needing pricey, hard-to-find cancer drugs. "Why are they depriving us of life?"

Greece, a member of the euro zone that groups some of the richest nations on earth, has descended so far that drugmakers are even working on emergency plans to keep medicines flowing into the country should it crash out of the currency bloc.

The emergency has grown out of a tangle of unpaid bills, with pharmacists and doctors complaining of being unable to pay suppliers until competing health insurers clear a growing backlog of unfilled state payments.

Greece imports nearly all its medicines and relies heavily on patented rather than cheaper generic drugs, making it vulnerable to a funding squeeze that would grow sharply worse if it were forced out of the euro after elections on Sunday.

Long queues have been forming outside a handful of pharmacies that still provide medication on credit - the rest are demanding cash upfront until the government pays up a subsidy backlog of 762 million euros, or nearly $1 billion.

"We're not talking about painkillers here - we've learned to live with physical pain - we need drugs to keep us alive," Mitta, a petite former marathon runner and herself a cancer survivor, said in a voice shaky with emotion.

Greeks have long had to give medical staff cash "gifts" to ensure good treatment. Nevertheless the health system was considered "relatively efficient" before the crisis despite a variety of problems including a fragmented organization and excess bureaucracy, according to a 2009 report for the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

But it has been unable to respond to the growing crisis. The European Union and International Monetary Fund, which provided a 130 billion euro lifeline to Greece in March, have demanded big cuts to the system as part of a wider package of austerity measures.

But powerful medical lobbies and unions have resisted fiercely. Caretaker Prime Minister Panagiotis Pikrammenos, in office until a new government is formed after the elections, has pleaded for a solution but been powerless to force a change.

"It is imperative that this matter is resolved immediately in order to prevent putting people's lives at risk," Pikrammenos said last week.

BED SHEETS

Outside one of the 133 state hospitals - whose managers have sometimes been appointed as supporters of whichever political party was in power at the time - a banner put up by protesting staff reads "Hospitals Belong to the People". Inside, its gloomy labyrinth of corridors tell a different story.

A doctor at the university hospital in the northwestern Athens suburb of Chaidari cites a lack of basic examining room supplies in her own department, such as cotton wool, catheters, gloves and paper used to cover the examining table.

The shortage of paper, which is thrown out after each patient has used it, means corners have to be cut on hygiene.

"Sometimes we take a bed sheet instead and use it for several patients," said Kiki Kiale, a radiologist specializing in cancer screening. "It's tragic but there's no other solution."

Kiale, 52, said staff cutbacks and a lack of crucial equipment - including a digital mammography machine - meant some doctors were seeing 40 patients during a shift but many patients were still unable to get treatment.

In the chaos, patients can slip through the cracks or turn up for treatment again only when their illness has progressed too far for them to be saved.

"Some incidents are lost completely, others manage to return after a year but it's too late," said Kiale, who spent five years working in Britain's National Health Service (NHS), adding that the lack of stable government made the problem worse.

"Everyone is hiding behind the elections, behind political uncertainty. Everyone is hiding behind the crisis."

Elections last month produced a stalemate, with no party achieving a parliamentary majority or able to form a coalition.

Greeks vote again on Sunday to try to break the deadlock, with pro-bailout conservatives neck-and-neck with a radical leftist party SYRIZA which rejects the EU and IMF's austerity demands. This has raised the possibility that the lenders will cut off the financial lifeline and Greece will have to leave the euro zone if SYRIZA wins and manages to form a coalition.

Pharmaceutical industry sources say drugmakers have already discussed with European authorities how to keep Greece supplied with medicines should it have only new, radically devalued drachmas to pay for them.

They have been looking closely at the experience of Argentina's collapse in 2002, when some firms agreed to continue to supply medicines without payment for a while.

Greece's wider crisis, which has deprived it of a stable administration for months and absorbed official attention, has made it impossible to push through deep health reform and forced the government to resort to sticking-plaster measures.

The Health Ministry says the reports of shortages have been exaggerated and has promised to pay health suppliers 600 million euros from its own budget and that of finance ministry. However, this covers only existing arrears to March, leaving the period to June uncovered.

The IMF has said Greece needs to keep public health spending below 6 percent of GDP, down from around 10 percent at present and must sharply cut spending on pharmaceuticals which has surged over the past decade.

It says Athens must cut such spending by at least 2 billion euros from 2010 levels, a step that would bring the average public expenditure on outpatient pharmaceuticals to 1 percent of GDP by the end of this year.

"LITTLE ENVELOPES"

What effect such cuts will have on patient care is likely to be dramatic, especially without a wider reform of healthcare.

Even before the crisis, public hospitals were under strain and the notorious cash-filled "fakelaki" or "little envelope" which patients have had to hand over to get good treatment have become a byword for the corruption in the system.

As the crisis has bitten, ever more Greeks can no longer afford to pay. Rocketing unemployment has meant many have fallen behind with insurance contributions or have trouble paying the 10-25 percent of prescription costs not covered by the system.

"The health system has shut its door in their face," said Katerina Avloniti, a 27-year-old psychologist at a free medical clinic in Athens whose patients are no longer eligible to get a blood test, a cardiogram or a simple check up.

Housed on one floor of the Athens Medical Association, the clinic is staffed by volunteer cardiologists, general practitioners, dentists and physiotherapists who see about 60 people a day, relying on unused drugs donated by other patients.

"Most are on the verge of depression, others are thinking of suicide. Many are ashamed because until recently, they had a job," she said, adding that many of the patients are 25 to 30-year-olds who have not been able to find work.

Avloniti said the crisis risked spiraling into a wider health emergency if treatment levels continued to fall. "Some people are walking timebombs - they could have a disease that is highly transmittable. We shouldn't close the door on them."

LWW
06-14-2012, 07:02 PM
That's hopenchange for you.

Sev
06-15-2012, 06:05 AM
I wonder where all the government healthcare supporters scampered off to?

Soflasnapper
06-15-2012, 08:34 AM
Sure it's hopenchange, as Obama probably designed and got the Greek health care system passed about 20 years ago, must have been.

But for some reason, he didn't go that way for this country. I'm sure you can draw a direct comparison anyway.

Gosh don't you hate that guy?

Soflasnapper
06-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Good point. I wonder why the only such example of that in this country, the Veterans Administration, gets high satisfaction ratings and they haven't even tried to privatize it yet?

I mean, not even the GOP has tried to privatize it yet! Amazing.

What are they missing?

Sev
06-15-2012, 03:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good point. I wonder why the only such example of that in this country, the Veterans Administration, gets high satisfaction ratings and they haven't even tried to privatize it yet?

I mean, not even the GOP has tried to privatize it yet! Amazing.

What are they missing? </div></div>

Funny. Most soldiers I know are dissatisfied with the VA. They have also been screwing around with their benefits. A Vietnam era marine Master Sgt is a good friend of mine. He's in the nuclear field. No dummy. They have been chopping away at his benefits. he is no longer anywhere near getting what he was promised. And he has had need of his health care from the military and is very aware of the changes that are occurring.

Soflasnapper
06-15-2012, 07:19 PM
VA Outranks Private Sector in Health Care Patient Satisfaction

By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Jan. 20, 2006 Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals.

For VA Secretary R. James Nicholson, the news is affirmation of what he called "the greatest story never told," that the VA offers top-quality care for its patients.

VA medical services received high marks during the annual American Customer Satisfaction Index, which has ranked customer satisfaction with various federal programs and private-sector industries and major companies since 1994.

Veterans who recently used VA services and were interviewed for the 2005 ACSI survey gave the VA's inpatient care a rating of 83 on a 100-point scale -- compared to a 73 rating for the private-sector health care industry. Veterans gave the VA a rating of 80 for outpatient care, five percentage points higher than the 75 rating for private-sector outpatient care and 9 percent higher than the average satisfaction rating for all federal services.

"Although VA has received many wonderful endorsements recently, the support of our veterans -- the people who know us best -- is the highest praise," Nicholson said.

The latest survey marks the sixth consecutive year that VA's health care system has outranked the private sector for customer satisfaction, Nicholson noted today during a joint interview with the Pentagon Channel and American Forces Press Service.

He called this year's results, like those over the past six years, a testament to the hard work of VA employees and generous funding from Congress and the president, who have increased the VA's budget by 57 percent over the past five years.

The results also reaffirm what Nicholson said the VA's 7.5 million enrollees have recognized all along: The VA continues to get better all the time. "It's been good for a long time, but now it's great," he said.

Over its 75-year history, the VA has created "the largest integrated health care system in the world and arguably the best," Nicholson said. Some 237,000 VA professionals provide health care to more than 7.5 million enrollees through 154 hospitals, 860 clinics and 200 veterans centers. These health care facilities are "on the leading edge of technology and safety" as they provide a model for the medical profession, Nicholson said.

A computerized medical record system -- one Nicholson said he hopes will serve as a model for the Defense Department and other organizations -- helps eliminate hospital mix-ups and ensures more thorough patient care, he said.

In addition, VA remains a leader in medical research, developing the pacemaker, helping pioneer the CT scan, and performing the first liver transplant, among other advances, he said. The VA has been involved in studies involving Parkinson's disease and a recent breakthrough in an immunization for shingles.

Meanwhile, the VA continues to strive to better serve its patients, Nicholson said. The department's staff is working to reduce waiting time for appointments and to ensure veterans of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan receive top priority for care, he said. "We have ramped up for them," he said, noting that the VA has already provided medical services to about 135,000 new veterans. "We are there for them and ready for them."

Sev
06-23-2012, 06:57 PM
As long as you believe it.

Now back to the government run health care in Greece.

Qtec
06-24-2012, 12:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny. Most soldiers I know are dissatisfied with the VA. </div></div>

That may be so but it doesn't reflect the reality as SoFla pointed out.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been chopping away at his benefits. he is no longer anywhere near getting what he was promised. </div></div>

Well, welcome to the real world. You might have missed it but the banks FKD the pension funds, yours and mine, and now the majority of people are seeing the money they were promised going down.

Over here, to receive a full state pension, something you pay into all your life,you have to work an extra TWO YEARS! If you stop working at 65, you only get 75% of what you should get.
If the GOP get in it will be the same in the US.

Q

Qtec
06-24-2012, 12:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder where all the government healthcare supporters scampered off to? </div></div>

This is nothing to do with HC. Its all about the country going bankrupt.

Q

Sev
06-24-2012, 06:15 AM
Right.
And the HC system has an umbilical cord tied right to the government.

All the eggs are in 1 basket.

Gayle in MD
06-24-2012, 06:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Right.
And the HC system has an umbilical cord tied right to the government.

All the eggs are in 1 basket. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the HC system has an umbilical cord tied right to the government.
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And so does the Health Insurance Industry, Big Pharma, the Energy Industry, Big Oil and Coal, the Food and Drug industries, The Military Congressional Industrial Complex, the DOD, and the Pentagon, and all corporations in general, in fact, thanks to Citizens United, corporations are now putting their own government in place, buying up cronies to prosecute their corruption, thievery and filth agsint the best interests of the foundations of democracy.

G.

Sev
06-24-2012, 07:20 AM
The fortunes of private enterprise are not necessarily linked to the fortunes of a government.
The government can not diversify. It can only legislate, tax and spend. When it dies due to poor management there is nothing but Chaos to replace it.


Not so with the private sector and free enterprise.
Private industry can diversify and protect its assets.
When there is competition and if one or many companies fail there is always another to fill the vacuum.

Business has always outlived governments.

Gayle in MD
06-24-2012, 07:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fortunes of private enterprise are not necessarily linked to the fortunes of a government.
The government can not diversify. It can only legislate, tax and spend. When it dies due to poor management there is nothing but Chaos to replace it.


Not so with the private sector and free enterprise.
Private industry can diversify and protect its assets.
When there is competition and if one or many companies fail there is always another to fill the vacuum.

Business has always outlived governments. </div></div>

LMAO!

Who bailed out the corrupt, corporate thieves on Wall St.?

Corporations?

Who bailed out the Savings and Loan corporations?

Obama?

Who gave the Oil Industry, the Fracking Industry the right to hide from all of us, the toxic chemicals they use that have polluted wells across this nation?

Why would any reasonable person want to see corporations free to poison and pollute the earth, and kill of it's inhabitants, without conscience, or oversight?

Do you not care about people being poisoned by the Food Industry?

The energy Industry?

Who builds the bridges, highways, tunnels, and answers the call for Americans, caught in the jaws of natural disasters?

You didn't buy into Romenys big lie, that only the state, provides our infrastructure, did you?

You think an America, that is being taken over by corporations, which only have interests in profits, will create a better America?

Pahleeeze!

Privatizing Government services has destroyed everything it has touched, annd now they are taking over our colleges!

What do you think Fascism Is?

You want to live in a country where the wealthy corporations have stolen from the rest for two decades, and polluted the environment, and food and water, and have no onne and nothing to answer to, for what they are doing?

Hey, you might just as well move to the Middle East! We're heading for plutocracy, in fact, we're there.

The so called, economy, is a dark, shadow of greed and corruption, cronyism and greed, does not lead to democratic solutions for our problems.

Do you want people running the government, the educational system, jails, corrupting the courts, profiteering from war, emergency response, EVERYTHING, with only one interest in mind, profits?

Then people won't count anymore, will they.


G.

Sev
06-24-2012, 07:48 AM
It is not the place of the government to bailout failing companies. They should have been left to die. That is the price of not running a company properly. There is no such thing as to big to fail. The Greek government is going to take its citizens with it.

People already dont count.

I keep telling you the government is the problem not the solution.
You keep listing information that confirms this yet refuse to to admit it as a truth.

Gayle in MD
06-24-2012, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is not the place of the government to bailout failing companies. They should have been left to die. That is the price of not running a company properly. There is no such thing as to big to fail. The Greek government is going to take its citizens with it.

People already dont count.

I keep telling you the government is the problem not the solution.
You keep listing information that confirms this yet refuse to to admit it as a truth.


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And I keep telling you that if we allow corporations to run everything, we will lose all of our rights and protections.

The reason why the government is thhe problem, is that corporations have taken it over!

Democracy is about the people, not the corporations and their profits and polliting destruction.

Do you really think, after what you saw them do on Wall St., that corporations are going to look out for thhe best interests of THE PEOPLE?

Government is the ONLY hope for protecting We The People. Granted, it has become more annd more corrupt. The answer is NOT to do away with it entirely, the answer is to identify those who have really corrupted it, and get rid of them!

IMO, that has been the Republican Party, and there is plenty of proof of THAT!

Nothing is perfect, no government, and no particular party, but getting rid of this Repiglican corporate take over of everything, including our government, our courts, our Constitution, our educational system, Carte Blanche on destroying the water and air, food and safety, environmental protections, is not the way, and it will destroy our freedom ANd the earth, far faster than al Qaeda even could have.

G.

Sev
06-24-2012, 03:09 PM
First of all we are a republic. We have never been a democracy.

The government is the source of nearly all the problems that occur in the business world. Bureaucrats are the bane of this nation.

There is not much that can be done to international corporations. Unless an antitrust suit is filed and you destroy the ones based in the USA.

If corporations are going to fail you dont save them. You deal with the fallout afterwards.

Small limited government with solid rules in place. Not the 160,000 plush regulations at the federal level alone.

Its a shame that the USA has become so anti business.

Return the power to the states and let them police themselves.

Make lobbyists illegal. They are not a given in our constitution.
Make Federal unions illegal again. (FDR Knew the truth)
The seventeenth 17 amendment should be repealed and the states should return to appointing senators.

Soflasnapper
06-24-2012, 06:18 PM
The seventeenth 17 amendment should be repealed and the states should return to appointing senators.

Until that is done, we are a representative democracy, with all the Congress and the president elected by the vote of the people (through their states in the electoral college, as to the presidency). This republic/democracy distinction collapsed as of the 17th amendment's ratification.

Gayle in MD
06-25-2012, 07:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all we are a republic. We have never been a democracy.


Quite wrong, we are both a Republic, and a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY!</div></div>




To borrow Sofla's concise discription of standard, relentless Republican style skewing of the facts.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It starts off with lies and then descends further into the muck.

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No wonder the right is so out of touch with our principles.

None of you have enough education to understand the Constitution!

Our Founders did not intend that our REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, be degraded into a Corporate take over of the country, on every level.

Additionally, American workers have a Constitutional RIGHT, to organize themselves into Unions.

The right yaps about Constitutional rights, yet they spend all of their time and action, trying to deny others their Constitutional rights, ALL OF THE TIME!

There have been so many people who have spoken out against the Citizen's United, Radical RW, fascist Supreme Court ruling, from both sides of the isle, and from virtually every respected Constitutional expert, that when or if they rule against the constitutionally appropriate AHCB, and it is another irrational, political partisan five to four decision, I believe we will finally see the largest organized demonstrations on the steps of the Supreme Court, that we have ever seen in our history.

While the right yaps all of the time about returning power to the states, they fail completely to grasp the intensity and breadth of our economic problems.

When the country is facing things like a collapsed housing market, and unsustainable rising health Care Costs, a corrupt Insurance Industry, and GREEDY CORPORATE THIEVES on Wall St. that intentionally complicate their dirty dealing, in order to steal the country's collective wealth, those are not state by state issues, those kinds of failure can only be addressed on the FEDERAL LEVEL!

When the country faces NATIONAL emergencies, such as unsustainable health care costs, and corruption in the Health Insurance Industry, annd destruction of our air and water, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST STEP IN!

It is completely irrational, IMO, that the right doesn't understand that there is just as much state level corruption, cronyism and waste, as there is in the Federal Government, if not more, respectively.

It is very simple.

Most people in our country need our social insurance programs that they pay for, in order to survive the current Republican economic genocide, and redistribution of all wealth, through legislation, tax cuts, subsidies, and their hidden loopholes, for the top one percent.

The Republican slaughter of the Middle Class, the poor, the ill and the old, must be stopped, and those policies, do not represent American values, at all.

Repiglicans have wasted nearly two years, trying to destroy and/or remove, voter's rights, women's rights, gay rights, basic human rights, like, for example, medical help for the ill, blocking the public option, blocking renewal of the Glass Steigal Act, blocking legislation to protect women from violence, blocking equal pay for equal work, denying women their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to birth control, abortion, blocking efforts to hold Wall St. Crooks to account for their theft, all of the things that Repiglicans have blocked, weakened, or ruined, such as the Public Option in the Affordable Health Care ACT, and refusing to go along with a greater sum of money for the stimulus, Republicans have obstructed the recovery, and damaged the REPUBLIC.

While the right, continues to prove that they do not even know what kind of government we have, they prove as well, that they have learned NOTHING, from the failures of their own policies!



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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SUMMARY

In the Pledge of Allegiance we all pledge allegiance to our Republic, not to a democracy. "Republic" is the proper description of our government, not "democracy." I invite you to join me in raising public awareness regarding that distinction.
A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]




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The distinction between our Republic and a democracy is not an idle one. It has great legal significance.
The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4). No state may join the United States unless it is a Republic. Our Republic is one dedicated to "liberty and justice for all." Minority individual rights are the priority. The people have natural rights instead of civil rights. The people are protected by the Bill of Rights from the majority. One vote in a jury can stop all of the majority from depriving any one of the people of his rights; this would not be so if the United States were a democracy. (see People's rights vs Citizens' rights)

In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable.


SOME DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS
Government. ....the government is but an agency of the state, distinguished as it must be in accurate thought from its scheme and machinery of government. ....In a colloquial sense, the United States or its representatives, considered as the prosecutor in a criminal action; as in the phrase, "the government objects to the witness." [Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, p. 625]

Government; Republican government. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. [Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, p. 626]

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, pp. 388-389. </span>Note: Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, can be found in any law library and most law offices.


EXAMPLE

Democratic Form of Government: An environmental organization proposes a bill for the ballot that every individual should reduce his water household usage by 25%. To assure that this goal is met, the government, or private sector, will monitor every individual's household water consumption rate. If an individual does not meet the goal, his first offense is $500 fine. Second offense is $750 fine and 30 days community service. Third offense is $1,500 fine and 30 days imprisonment. Fourth offense is $1,750 fine and 90 days imprisonment. Fifth offense is a felony (1-year imprisonment) and $2,000 fine.

The people argue this environmental issue back and forth. They argue the pros and cons of the issue. This great debate is held at town hall meetings. Strong opinions are on both sides of the matter. One side preaches, "It is for the common good!" The other side rebuttals, "This is control and not freedom, and lost of choice!" Election day occurs. The people go to the ballot box to settle the problem. The majority won by a vote of 51% whereas the minority lost with a vote of 49%. The minority is ignored. The majority celebrates while the minority jeers in disappointment. Since the majority won, the bill goes in effect. As a result of the majority winning, every individual must reduce his household water usage by 25%. For the reason that the majority has mandatory powers in a democracy. Those who wish to go against the collective (whole body politic) will be punished accordingly. The minority has neither voice nor rights to refuse to accept the dictatorial majority. Everything is mandatory in a democracy. This brings dictatorship and lividity to the realm.

Republican Form of Government: An environmental organization proposes a bill for the ballot that every individual should reduce his water household usage by 25%. To assure that this goal is met, the government, or private sector, will monitor every individual's household water consumption rate. If an individual does not meet the goal, his first offense is $500 fine. Second offense is $750 fine and 30 days community service. Third offense is $1,500 fine and 30 days imprisonment. Fourth offense is $1,750 fine and 90 days imprisonment. Fifth offense is a felony (1-year imprisonment) and $2,000 fine.

The people argue this environmental issue back and forth. They argue the pros and cons of the issue. This great debate is held at town hall meetings. Strong opinions are on both sides of the matter. One side preaches, "It is for the common good!" The other side rebuttals, "This is control and not freedom, and lost of choice!" Election day occurs. The people go to the ballot box to settle the problem. The majority won by a vote of 51% whereas the minority lost with a vote of 49%. The minority may have lost, but not all is gone. The majority celebrates while the minority jeers in disappointment. Since the majority won, the bill goes in effect. As a result of the majority winning, it is advisory that every individual reduce his household water usage by 25%. For the reason that the majority has advisory powers in a republic. Bearing in mind that each individual is equally sovereign in a republic, he is free to reject the majority. He may choose to follow the majority and subject himself to the rule, or he may choose not to follow the majority and not subject himself to the rule. The minority has a voice and rights to refuse to accept the majority. Everything is advisory in a republic. This brings liberty and peace to the realm.


COMMENTS
Notice that in a Democracy, the sovereignty is in the whole body of the free citizens. The sovereignty is not divided to smaller units such as individual citizens. To solve a problem, only the whole body politic is authorized to act. Also, being citizens, individuals have duties and obligations to the government. The government's only obligations to the citizens are those legislatively pre-defined for it by the whole body politic.

In a Republic, the sovereignty resides in the people themselves, whether one or many. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives as he chooses to solve a problem. Further, the people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government being hired by the people, is obliged to its owner, the people.

The people own the government agencies. The government agencies own the citizens. In the United States we have a three-tiered cast system consisting of people ---&gt; government agencies ---&gt; and citizens.

The people did "ordain and establish this Constitution," not for themselves, but "for the United States of America." In delegating powers to the government agencies the people gave up none of their own. (See Preamble of U.S. Constitution). This adoption of this concept is why the U.S. has been called the "Great Experiment in self government." The People govern themselves, while their agents (government agencies) perform tasks listed in the Preamble for the benefit of the People. The experiment is to answer the question, "Can self-governing people coexist and prevail over government agencies that have no authority over the People?"

The citizens of the United States are totally subject to the laws of the United States (See 14th Amendment of U.S. Constitution). NOTE: U.S. citizenship did not exist until July 28, 1868.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Actually, the United States is a mixture of the two systems of government (Republican under Common Law, and democratic under statutory law). The People enjoy their God-given natural rights in the Republic. In a democracy, the Citizens enjoy only government granted privileges (also known as civil rights). </span>


There was a great political division between two major philosophers, Hobbes and Locke. Hobbes was on the side of government. He believed that sovereignty was vested in the state. Locke was on the side of the People. He believed that the fountain of sovereignty was the People of the state. Statists prefer Hobbes. Populists choose Locke. In California, the Government Code sides with Locke. Sections 11120 and 54950 both say, "The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them." The preambles of the U.S. and California Constitutions also affirm the choice of Locke by the People.

It is my hope that the U.S. will always remain a Republic, because I value individual freedom.

Thomas Jefferson said that liberty and ignorance cannot coexist.* Will you help to preserve minority rights by fulfilling the promise in the Pledge of Allegiance to support the Republic? Will you help by raising public awareness of the difference between the Republic and a democracy?



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* "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization,
it expects what never was and never will be."
Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

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