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Gayle in MD
06-21-2012, 10:40 AM
IRONY ALERT: Karl Rove Complains To Fox News About Obama's Assertion Of Executive Privilege
June 21, 2012 11:41 am ET by Timothy Johnson

In an appearance today on America's Newsroom, Fox News contributor Karl Rove expressed concern that President Obama's assertion of executive privilege over a set of Department of Justice internal documents was a novel expansion of the doctrine. The former senior advisor to President George W. Bush was ill-equipped to make this claim, as Bush invoked the privilege under similar circumstances while Rove was his top political advisor.


KARL ROVE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: It's one thing to exert executive privilege over the actions of the President, and his aides, and the White House. It's another thing to exercise executive privilege with regard to aCabinet official, seemingly in a matter that according to the President up until now, had no connections with, no contact with, no communications with the White House. So I'm a little bit concerned about it. I think it's an overreach.

[...]

ROVE: This is a very long reach. I mean basically if the President is allowed to take the privilege that goes to the Executive Office of the President and extend it to a Cabinet department, then he can extend it to any branch of the government for any matter, even if there was no presidential or White House involvement. And I'm not certain that that's what the Founders thought about when they talked about executive privilege.

Rove either forgot that the first time Bush invoked executive privilege it was in regards to Justice Department internal documents, or was being deliberately deceptive. In December 2001 the New York Times reported:

President Bush invoked executive privilege today for the first time in his administration to block a Congressional committee trying to review documents about a decades-long scandal involving F.B.I. misuse of mob informants in Boston. His order also denied the committee access to internal Justice Department deliberations about President Bill Clinton's fund-raising tactics.

As noted by law professor Peter Shane, an expert on the separation of powers, executive privilege routinely encompasses "documents generated anywhere in the executive branch":

Executive privilege is really an umbrella concept that encompasses a variety of privileges. History's most famous claim of executive privilege -- President Richard Nixon's unsuccessful attempt to withhold the "Watergate tapes" -- was an example of "presidential privacy" privilege. That privilege covers executive communications when the president is involved.

The executive branch, however, historically claims a much broader privilege, the so-called "deliberative privilege."

Deliberative privilege aims to protect documents generated anywhere in the executive branch that embody only the executive's internal deliberations, not final policy decisions. The current dispute involves "deliberative privilege."

During his appearance, Rove also ran with the latest right-wing conspiracy, suggesting that Obama's assertion of executive privilege indicates that he was involved in Fast and Furious while the operation was ongoing. Media Matters has previously noted that these claims are false. The president asserted executive privilege only over documents created after the failed operation was ended.



http://mediamatters.org/blog/201206210007

Soflasnapper
06-21-2012, 12:19 PM
It's routine in the law to protect 'work product' (the internal deliberations and communications of the lawyers) under privilege. It's not absolute, and can be penetrated by evidence of criminality of those in the process (but not the criminality of those they represent).

Gayle in MD
06-21-2012, 12:27 PM
Yep, Repigs never run out of more Repiglican BS...

Rove should be in jail.

Novak said Rove was a source. It's on video.

Rove makes me sick! He is the ultimate hypocrite! People died because they outed Valarie Plame, people who were trying to help us.

G.

Soflasnapper
06-22-2012, 03:12 PM
Rove is an examplar of the worst kind of political operative.

Vicious, conniving, a smooth-tongued liar, and yes, apparently a criminal.

Qtec
06-23-2012, 01:15 AM
IMO Rove,s main mission was to convince the public that voter fraud was rampant and something has to be done about it. All he wanted was prosecutions, that would have been enough. Its a win-win for him. This is why the attorney firings controversy is so important.

Rove was promoting propaganda for a purpose, voter purging. Stopping Dem voters from voting. He was actively and knowingly trying to deceive the American public into believing a lie and fired those who would not help him in this deception. ie nothing like Holder.

Q

Gayle in MD
06-23-2012, 05:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rove is an examplar of the worst kind of political operative.

Vicious, conniving, a smooth-tongued liar, and yes, apparently a criminal. </div></div>

Issa is just as bad, IMO, and he hasn't fooled anyone, either.

Here are just a few examples of the blogging nation, about his witch hunt:


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Now, factually speaking, this whole thing is a GOP blunder, a campaign year, Boehner-led, Issa fronted strategy to embarrass Obama. However, it has now backfired and only drawn attention to themselves and their own less than stellar backgrounds. Through this, we have found that Issa, the one who postures himself as a crusading, everyman's John Wayne, is, by his actions, more akin to a pretentious, camera-loving, poor manís Joe McCarthy.

Issa has so many skeletons in his closet, it's standing room only.






The notion that the cartels wouldn't have any weapons and wouldn't use them when confronted in the desert by border agents is absurd. The whole purpose of the program was to track weapons that the cartel has bought for them, legally, in the United states. They are extremely well armed. Obviously nobody should be "walking' additional weapons to this drug gangs, but the idea that this program is responsible for anyones death is a calumy, and should be treated as such.






This operation started in 2006 under Bush which wasn't mentioned in this article and the people involved were out of a local US Attorney in Arizona and 4 other states with people from the ATF (Alcohol Tabacco and Firearms division). Attorney General Holder after finding out about it started an investigation in Feb. of 2011. Issa and Grassley have been grandstanding going after Holder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal







Hours Ago
I'm wondering why Issa wasn't this concerned when he voted to authorize "Project Gunrunner" HR-6028 back in 2008. http://votesmart.org/bill/7087/19729/16553/assista... He should have known of the Bush Administration's plans to restrict the Second Amendment when they hatched that scheme in the first place. It's all there in Black and White: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr6028ih/pdf/BILLS-110hr6028ih.pdf





What? This whole fiasco that was started by the Republicans has absolutely nothing to do with taking away Americans guns, and they're merely using it to conduct a witch hunt against the President? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Imagine that.







Dear Senator Grassley, whose scalp did you ask for regarding the phony War on Iraq? I'd say that debacle has been many thousands of times more lethal, expensive, and stupid than Fast and Furious.








Yes and Bush's miscalculation about WMD'S in Iraq, was just an oversight. That is why my nephew was killed in Iraq. He and about 4,000 other young persons. We are waiting for an apology and I am sure that will make his parents feel better. Maybe you would like to be the one to call his mother.</div></div>

Another Repiglican fiasco! Oh well, back to vaginas.


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