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Gayle in MD
06-25-2012, 10:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> SB 1070 Opinion Is Good For Obama, Bad For Romney And Latinos




WASHINGTON -- Clothing its ruling in the language of respect for federal power, the U.S. Supreme Court has just unleashed state and local police to act freely and aggressively as federal immigration officers. The decision is bad news for the Romney campaign -- already struggling with the Latino vote -- because it will likely increase the sense of paranoia and oppression in an already beset but vast national community.

True, the decision could have been much worse from the immigrant community's point of view. The high court struck down "round up" provisions that would have allowed state and local police to detain anyone they found without proper papers. The justices also made sweeping statements reaffirming that the overall power to control immigration and immigration laws rests with the federal government.

And the court's first and only Hispanic justice, Sonia Sotomayor, joined the majority opinion.

But the court upheld the specifics of Arizona law SB 1070 that require local officers to seek to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop for another violation -- no matter how minor -- if they have a reasonable doubt that the person they have stopped may not be a legal resident of the United States.

"It turns the police into immigration officers and that is a terrible narrative for the Latino community," said Maria Teresa Kumar of Voto Latino, a non-partisan organization that works to register Latino voters. "The headlines in the Hispanic media will be uniformly negative."

The problem for the Romney campaign is that the ruling upholds one of the most invasive features of the law in the eyes of many Latinos, who have expressed fear that police will use racial characteristics to identify suspects even if they claim they will not.

As the presumptive GOP nominee, Mitt Romney is trying to moderate his stands on immigration issues, but he is likely to lose voters whichever way he turns on this one. Praise the court and he offends Latinos; fault it and he offends social conservatives who have made a crackdown on the undocumented a key Tea Party plank.

The ruling in at least one specific sense could be a boon to the Obama campaign. Since possession of a valid driver's license is, under the Arizona law, sufficient proof of citizenship, the ruling will force legal residents and citizens to get them if they don't have them.

There's no better place to run a registration drive than at or near a DMV. Most of those voters are likely to be Democrats, or at least Obama supporters.

More generally, the Obama campaign can reach out sympathetically to the Latino community. That could matter in swing states, especially Colorado, Nevada, Florida, North Carolina and Virginia.

The president can also say that on the larger constitutional question -- who controls immigration law -- the court agreed with his administration.



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/sb-1070-opinion-scotus-obama-romney-latinos_n_1624417.html



<span style="color: #990000">There is a very good possibility that as other discrimination suits against the AZ law, go before the court, even the remaining part of the AZ law, will be struck down, as racial profiling. </span>

G.

Gayle in MD
06-25-2012, 11:14 AM
<span style='font-size: 11pt'> Arizona Immigration Law Gutted In Supreme Court Ruling. </span>




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/arizona-immigration-law-ruling_n_1614067.html

Gayle in MD
06-26-2012, 05:07 AM
Idiot Governor of Arizona claims victory, after her law is gutted by the Supreme Court, with indications that all of it will eventurally be thrown out!

BWA HA HA HA....typical Repiglican!

Sev
06-26-2012, 05:25 AM
They can still bag em tag em.

Of course Obama is willfully ignoring enforcing laws that are on the books and quite possible endangering citizens.

Gayle in MD
06-26-2012, 06:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They can still bag em tag em.

Of course Obama is willfully ignoring enforcing laws that are on the books and quite possible endangering citizens.

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You mean like Reagan ignored the laws, when he signed Amnesty into Law?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They can still bag em tag em.

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No they cannot bag them. The court put limitations on that, they cannot hold them, or put them in jail.


As for thhe president's enforcement of our laws, you are repeating a myth.

This president has not only added loads of agents to better secure our borders, but he has greatly increased the numbers of criminal illegals that have been deported!

Additionally Arizona cannot do what the AZ witch wanted them to do, and haul them off to jail, for the benefit of her crony's privatized prisons.

This one remaining, but weakened part of her law, will be struck down, eventually, when it reaches the court, as already existing lawsuits against racial profiling are brought before the court.

The law was unconstitutional, and hence it was gutted. The fact that thhe witch is still claiming victory, proves how out of touch she is, or how very Republican she is, reversing the reality of what they actually did to her unconstitutional law.

G.

Sev
06-26-2012, 06:17 AM
So I guess that makes Obama worst than Reagan as he should be standing up for his principles.
Oh wait. He has none.

AZ should ignore the supreme court and the administration and start tossing people back across the border.
Whats Obama going to do? Send in the military? That would light the fuse on the powder keg.

AZ is a sovereign state.

Secession would be looking good.

Gayle in MD
06-26-2012, 06:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess that makes Obama worst than Reagan as he should be standing up for his principles.

<span style="color: #990000">He has stood for his principles! His decisions are exactly correct. He is allowing youngsters to stay here, as long as they have been living a crime free life, of preparing to be decent, honest American citizens, while deporting as many criminal illegals as he can out of the country.

Nothing could be more fair than that, and it is exactly the morally correct decision to make, fair and balanced. </span>
Oh wait. He has none.

AZ should ignore the supreme court and the administration and start tossing people back across the border.

<span style="color: #990000">Most of AZ's Sherrifs don't agree with that. Additionally, it is unconstitutional.</span>
Whats Obama going to do? Send in the military? That would light the fuse on the powder keg.

<span style="color: #990000">While I am not surprised that you favor the most radical, violent solutions, for most things, all except for the WAR Crimes committed by Israel, and the Bush Administration, that is, Arizona's rights as a state, do not supercede our Constitution, as the court made perfectly clear, at least, all but the crooked, partisan, Lawless Justice, Scalia, with his unprecedented statements in his descent which should require him to recuse himself from any future cases involving this President's White House. </span>

AZ is a sovereign state.

<span style="color: #990000">LOL, you need to read the Constitution. </span>

Secession would be looking good. </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">Yeah, they should become Mexicans. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

eg8r
06-26-2012, 08:26 AM
They can still validate immigration status when stopped for other violations so the whole thing has not been stripped away as I undestand it. Instead of tossing them in jail, on the way to jail they should just run to the border and let them out.

eg8r

eg8r
06-26-2012, 08:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He has stood for his principles!</div></div>LOL yeah right. His principle is that corporate money spent on campaigns is bad for America. Well only unless he needs that money and then it is perfectly fine, well you know for this one time only, right?

His principles flow with the wind.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-26-2012, 08:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess that makes Obama worst than Reagan as he should be standing up for his principles.
Oh wait. He has none.

AZ should ignore the supreme court and the administration and start tossing people back across the border.
Whats Obama going to do? Send in the military? That would light the fuse on the powder keg.

AZ is a sovereign state.

Secession would be looking good. </div></div>

Deportation, like all immigration matters, is a federal task, not a state matter. Even this right-leaning high court agreed with that. It's quite plain in the COTUS.

Why do you hate the COTUS, or if you revere it, why do you think what it stipulates still ought to be violated?

Sev
06-26-2012, 10:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess that makes Obama worst than Reagan as he should be standing up for his principles.
Oh wait. He has none.

AZ should ignore the supreme court and the administration and start tossing people back across the border.
Whats Obama going to do? Send in the military? That would light the fuse on the powder keg.

AZ is a sovereign state.

Secession would be looking good. </div></div>

Deportation, like all immigration matters, is a federal task, not a state matter. Even this right-leaning high court agreed with that. It's quite plain in the COTUS.

Why do you hate the COTUS, or if you revere it, why do you think what it stipulates still ought to be violated? </div></div>

The problem is that the executive branch is willfully not enforcing laws that should be dutifully executed until such a time as they are repealed.

If Washington is not willing to hold up its end of the constitution why should the states be bothered to pay attention to Washingtons dictates and needs?

Chaos will ensue in short order if the constitution is a matter of convenience.

The states should stop sending tax dollars to Washington. That would get their attention quickly.

Sev
06-26-2012, 10:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess that makes Obama worst than Reagan as he should be standing up for his principles.

<span style="color: #990000">He has stood for his principles! His decisions are exactly correct. He is allowing youngsters to stay here, as long as they have been living a crime free life, of preparing to be decent, honest American citizens, while deporting as many criminal illegals as he can out of the country.

Nothing could be more fair than that, and it is exactly the morally correct decision to make, fair and balanced. </span>
Oh wait. He has none.

AZ should ignore the supreme court and the administration and start tossing people back across the border.

<span style="color: #990000">Most of AZ's Sherrifs don't agree with that. Additionally, it is unconstitutional.</span>
Whats Obama going to do? Send in the military? That would light the fuse on the powder keg.

<span style="color: #990000">While I am not surprised that you favor the most radical, violent solutions, for most things, all except for the WAR Crimes committed by Israel, and the Bush Administration, that is, Arizona's rights as a state, do not supercede our Constitution, as the court made perfectly clear, at least, all but the crooked, partisan, Lawless Justice, Scalia, with his unprecedented statements in his descent which should require him to recuse himself from any future cases involving this President's White House. </span>

AZ is a sovereign state.

<span style="color: #990000">LOL, you need to read the Constitution. </span>

Secession would be looking good. </div></div>

<span style="color: #990000">Yeah, they should become Mexicans. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

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There is a difference between an opinion of what is right and following the law.

Soflasnapper
06-26-2012, 11:47 AM
The problem is that the executive branch is willfully not enforcing laws that should be dutifully executed until such a time as they are repealed.

They cannot be failing to execute immigration laws if the numbers of the deported are double and triple what they were under the last president, who WAS (presumably) executing the laws faithfully. He's doubled the border force, and we are probably seeing a net EMIGRATION of undocumenteds out of the country-- more out than in-- or very close.

Violent crimes committed by undocumenteds continue their decade or more now fall in rate, as those targeted for deportation are criminals or those with criminal records. Use of discretion as to how to prioritize enforcement actions is not failing to do enforcement. It is doing enforcement in the most efficient way, in the interest of public safety.

If Washington is not willing to hold up its end of the constitution why should the states be bothered to pay attention to Washingtons dictates and needs?

How is doubling or tripling the deportation rate, focusing in on actual violent criminals, with the ensuing decrease in immigration rates and crime rates, not holding up its end of the COTUS? Why, because they refuse to feed the prison/industrial complex with non-violent simple undocumented residents who have committed no other crimes?

The states should stop sending tax dollars to Washington. That would get their attention quickly.

That's a hilarious proposition. States GET tax money FROM Washington, they do not SEND tax dollars to Washington.

The supposed crisis in AZ was trumped up, as there was no increase in immigrant violence (that was across the border, among non-immigrants), and in fact, the opposite was the trend. The 'crisis' was that the large private prison concern needed more bodies to warehouse, and they controlled the governor by large donations and packing her key staff with their former personnel. I guess there really IS a crisis now (for them), since those plans have been quashed.

The corruption of trying to cause AZ tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money to give the private prison company a revenue stream, and for no other reason (other than Gov. Brewer's election chances, from the hype) is truly sickening.

Hard to believe anyone would go along with that, if their eyes were open, at least.