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DiabloViejo
07-20-2012, 05:00 PM
No matter who wins in November, Democrats should go "off the cliff" on January 1st, 2013. It will destroy Grover Norquist and the Tea Party, and force the GOP to the bargaining table. The GOP has been playing hardball, and it's time to show them how to <u>really</u> play the game.

http://youtu.be/rWNIcJ3MZtM

Soflasnapper
07-22-2012, 08:52 PM
I agree, unless of course a clean deal amounting to Obama's proposal for tax rates could be done earlier.

Which it cannot, so I still agree.

Qtec
07-23-2012, 01:41 AM
By now, Obama must know the situation. The GOP are going to do everything in their power to deny him a second term. If this means destroying the US economy, then so be it. They can do that because it doesn't affect them. They and Mitt are insulated from the crisis.
We know this because whenever Obama proposes a GOP idea, they vote against it.

They don't care. They don't even realise how tough people have it these days....especially Mitt!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I know that people in this room are probably doing relatively well, relative to folks across this country. But not everyone in America is doing so well right now, it’s tough being middle class in America right now," Romney said. "The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they’re not having a good year. </div></div>

ie, 'Those' people.

Mrs Mitt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> “And we’ve given all <span style='font-size: 20pt'>you people </span>need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how — you know, how we live our life.”</div></div>

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LWW
07-23-2012, 03:40 AM
And there we have it ... the cabal supports damaging the nation for partisan political gain.

Soflasnapper
07-23-2012, 11:25 AM
You have that backwards.

We are faced with opposition that wants to damage the nation for partisan, and personal wealth of the 1%, reasons. They love playing chicken with the nation's economy, and are economic extortionists.

This is now the tactic we're forced to consider using, because that is the other side's position.

Let the law run its course. Without change in the underlying law, all the tax rate reductions end, and return to the status quo ante. Nothing the GOP can do will change this fact.

Once that happens under law, then the restoration of the Bush tax rate cuts for all income for everyone under $250,000 will be proposed, and it may just pass, as the GOP will be under orders from Grover to vote yes on any tax cut.

It would be better to do this before the taxes return to their previous levels (however briefly), but the leverage to get the GOP to let the top bracket cut end even as all the other brackets' cuts are extended is not available, until all of them go away.

Sid_Vicious
07-23-2012, 11:38 AM
Sometimes, "You gotsta to do what you gotsta to do." If the GOP didn't suck so much in their "Say no" approach just to defeat Obama, this wouldn't be necessary. I can't believe how so many non-1-percenters here still swallow the swill about trickle down. Idiots! You fools are pushing our economy in the dirt out of pure stupidity. In a way, you jerks are as bad as the shooter in Colorado by causing such pain to the USA. sid

Sofa..this is NOT pointed at you. I loved your post totally, and am merely adding to it by keeping your posted text along with mine. sv


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have that backwards.

We are faced with opposition that wants to damage the nation for partisan, and personal wealth of the 1%, reasons. They love playing chicken with the nation's economy, and are economic extortionists.

This is now the tactic we're forced to consider using, because that is the other side's position.

Let the law run its course. Without change in the underlying law, all the tax rate reductions end, and return to the status quo ante. Nothing the GOP can do will change this fact.

Once that happens under law, then the restoration of the Bush tax rate cuts for all income for everyone under $250,000 will be proposed, and it may just pass, as the GOP will be under orders from Grover to vote yes on any tax cut.

It would be better to do this before the taxes return to their previous levels (however briefly), but the leverage to get the GOP to let the top bracket cut end even as all the other brackets' cuts are extended is not available, until all of them go away.

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DiabloViejo
07-23-2012, 03:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And there we have it ... the cabal supports damaging the nation for partisan political gain. </div></div>

I denounce you as a spoon fed GOP automaton, fascist, bat-sh*t crazy, reactionary, Republicultist! Go drink more GOP Kool-Aid! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

And here is a cartoon for you! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/384521_282683985101112_1538242584_n.jpg

Soflasnapper
07-23-2012, 04:31 PM
The funny thing is that probably Boehner isn't even any kind of ideologue, if push came to shove.

He and the leadership are cravenly cowering before the mighty (but small) right wing fringe of their party, not because they are in danger of losing their general elections, but because they fear losing their primaries.

So, no enemies to the right, is the strategy. Even political extremists.

Of course, Boehner has about zero control over his herd of cats, as we've seen when he couldn't even count the votes in his own caucus, and was humiliated several times by not being able to deliver what he said he would do.

Qtec
07-24-2012, 12:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"These estimates reveal a staggering failure," says John Christensen of the Tax Justice Network. "Inequality is much, much worse than official statistics show, but politicians are still relying on<u> trickle-down</u> to transfer wealth to poorer people.

"This new data shows the exact opposite has happened: for three decades extraordinary wealth has been cascading into the offshore accounts of a tiny number of super-rich." </div></div>

link (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=392152#Post392152)

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