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LWW
07-24-2012, 03:25 AM
Thomas Jefferson:

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:25 AM
John Adams:

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:26 AM
James Madison:

"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:27 AM
John Quincy Adams:

"The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:28 AM
Thomas Jefferson:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:29 AM
Benjamin Franklin:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:29 AM
James Madison:

"Democracy was the right of the people to choose their own tyrant."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:30 AM
John Adams:

"That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:32 AM
John Marshall:

"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:33 AM
Oscar Wilde:

"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:34 AM
Alan Coren:

"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:35 AM
Karl Marx:

"Democracy is the road to socialism."

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:37 AM
<span style='font-size: 26pt'>RELEASE THE CRICKETS! LET THE DENIALS BEGIN! (http://takeourcountryback-snooper.blogspot.com/2008/12/democracy-v-republic-founding-fathers.html)</span>

LWW
07-24-2012, 07:33 AM
The cabal's ability to deny reality is beyond legendary.

Stretch
07-24-2012, 08:45 AM
You couldn't have regurgitated those quotes in one post? They have a name for that......Try and guess ( in 10 posts or less ) St.

DiabloViejo
07-24-2012, 01:42 PM
LOL! Our constitutional republic is a liberal democracy and you are a loon! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

From Wikipedia:

Liberal democracy is a form of government in which <span style="color: #CC0000">representative democracy operates</span> under the principles of liberalism. It is characterized by fair, free, and competitive elections between multiple distinct political parties, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a separation of powers into different branches of government, and the protection of human rights and civil liberties for all persons. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system on Earth.

<span style="color: #000099">A liberal democracy may take various constitutional forms: it may be a constitutional republic, such as France, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, or <u>the United States</u></span>, or a constitutional monarchy, such as Japan, Spain, or the United Kingdom. It may have a presidential system (Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, the United States), a semi-presidential system (Finland, France, Taiwan), or a parliamentary system (Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, Poland, the United Kingdom).

Read the rest here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

<span style="color: #000099">Loon</span>

1loon noun \ˈlün\

Definition of LOON

1: lout, idler

2: chiefly Scottish : boy

<span style="color: #000099">3: a : a crazy person, b : simpleton</span>

Origin of LOON

Middle English loun
First Known Use: 15th century

(Courtesy of Merriam Webster Online Dictionary)

DiabloViejo
07-24-2012, 02:06 PM
<span style="color: #000099">And now, in an encore presentation!</span> :

Myth: The U.S. is not a democracy.

Fact: The U.S. is a representative democracy in every branch of government.

Summary

The U.S. is a democracy -- just not a direct one. Every branch of our government -- executive, legislative, judicial, monetary -- ultimately derives its power from majority rule or approval. By making our democracy indirect instead of direct, the Founders prevented unrestrained mob rule, allowing a more reasonable pace of majority rule, and greater room for compromise.

Argument

<span style="color: #000099">Conservatives continually point out that America is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic. This is a quibble over definitions, because a constitutional republic is a type of democracy. Democracy comes in two forms: direct and republican. In a direct democracy, the people vote directly on proposed laws, and government (to the extent that it exists) serves only to put their laws into action. By contrast, a republic is a representative democracy, where laws are passed not by the people, but their elected representatives. Adding the term "constitutional" to the word "republic" is frivolous, since all nations have constitutions.</span>

<span style="color: #000099">Why, then, do conservatives insist on this distinction? There are two reasons, both of them trivial. One is to embarrass those who make casual use of the term "democracy." <u>Another is that conservatives are so hostile to democracy that they seek to deny its very name.</u></span>

But a democracy we are. No matter which branch of government you look into, you'll find the fingerprints of democracy everywhere:

Congress: the people vote on their Senators and Representatives, who then vote on their laws.

The White House: the people vote on a slate of electors, who then vote for the president.

Supreme Court: nine justices vote on the constitutionality of laws.

Supreme Court justices: an elected president nominates a Supreme Court justice, who must pass a vote of confidence from the people's elected Senators.

Constitutional amendments: the people's elected representatives vote on the amendments, which must pass by a supermajority of elected state legislatures.

Cabinet appointees: an elected president nominates cabinet officials, who must pass a vote of confidence from the people's elected Senators.

The Federal Reserve: a board of Federal Reserve governors votes on monetary policy.

The Federal Reserve Board: an elected president nominates members to the Federal Reserve Board, who must pass a vote of confidence from the people's elected Senators.

Notice that a spectrum of democracy exists within these examples. On the more direct end lies the House of Representatives, which elects legislators from relatively small districts every two years. On the more republican end lies the Senate, which elects legislators from much larger states every six years. The extreme in republicanism is the Supreme Court, where the people's representatives elect justices to lifetime tenure.

Also notice that there is no such thing as a 100 percent direct democracy, since voters would be overwhelmed with the requirements of voting on the nuts and bolts of every government operation. Inevitably, democracy requires some degree of delegated authority. Still, the Founders feared more direct forms of democracy, since they believed -- with historical justification -- that they increased the volitility of mob rule, reduced the chances of compromise, allowed more uninformed legislation to pass, and were usually short-lived. Thus, they insisted on a more republican form of government. However, they also knew the danger of going too far in the opposite direction. Too republican, and representatives become impervious to the will of the people. The challenge in designing a democracy is to find the right balance between direct democracy and republicanism.

Ultimately, all democracies -- including republics -- operate at the consent of the majority. By making our democracy more indirect than direct, the Founders did not stop majority rule; they merely slowed it down somewhat. We could fine tune our position on this spectrum either way, of course, but we would have to go miles in the direction of republicanism before we were no longer a democracy.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #000099">LWW, you can argue till you are blue in the face for all I care, but you'd still be dead wrong (as usual). The US is most certainly a Republic and a liberal (representative) democracy, the terms are not mutually exclusive.

Now go pound sand, you wacky schmuck you!</span></span>

LWW
07-24-2012, 02:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You couldn't have regurgitated those quotes in one post? They have a name for that......Try and guess ( in 10 posts or less ) St. </div></div>

One who knows of what he speaks.

LWW
07-24-2012, 02:45 PM
How much hose do they need to pump air to you?

DiabloViejo
07-24-2012, 03:26 PM
LOL! I don't need no steenkin' hose, but if I did it would still be less in both length and diameter than the one which would be needed to pump all the BS out of you! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

BTW, speaking of hoses, why don't you go and get yourself a high colonic? Removing all that impacted toxic waste might clear up your thinking. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

LWW
07-24-2012, 03:30 PM
And what is so typically lame is that when confronted with incontrovertible proof of your error, you respond with a moonbat crazy leftist blog ... followed by a headfirst leap into the gutter.

What would Buddha say?

DiabloViejo
07-24-2012, 03:56 PM
I asked Buddha, this is how he responded: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

http://www.exoticindia.com/brass/laughing_buddha_ei17.jpg