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Gayle in MD
08-09-2012, 07:59 AM
Mormonism Is Not A christian Religion


Now that his main rival Rick Santorum has pulled out, it now seems safe to say that*Mitt Romney has the Republican nomination in the bag. This means that come November we shall have an election where a Mormon is pitched against an incumbent President, who many Americans believe to be, contrary to all evidence, a Muslim. Great choice, eh?

Barak Obama is not and has never been a Muslim, yet this crazy belief persists; however, the American public seems able to let Mitt’s Mormonism pass. There is a reason for this. While Islam is seen as the religion of the other, Mormonism is in fact a home-grown religion, rooted in the American continent, and rooted in American experience. Say what you like about Joseph Smith Junior, the prophet of Mormonism, but his was a typical American story.

But what this obscures is the fact that, despite their protestations to the contrary, Mormonism is not a Christian religion. It is not even a Christian heresy. It is a religion that has no real connection with Jesus Christ, except at a semantic level. It has been allowed to pass itself off as another manifestation of American Protestantism – some Catholics have been remarkably lax on this front – but it is nothing of the sort, denying as it does the foundational doctrines of the Christian faith – the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, and the exclusivity of revelation in Christ. Oddly enough, Mormonism is further from Christianity than Islam itself. There are indeed interesting parallels between the two.*

Mormonism is based on an audacious forgery, the Book of Mormon. Quite a few American Baptists have undertaken missions to the Mormons to convert them to Christianity and to bring them to see that the Bible itself needs no further books added to it. *I myself have read the Book of Mormon and found it tedious in the extreme. However, I fully recognise that Mormons themselves live exemplary lives. I have no quarrel with the practice of the Mormonism; I have a huge problem with its underlying claims, which are demonstrably false.

There is no room to demonstrate their falsity here; suffice it to say that the claim that Jesus came to America after his resurrection has no historical or archaeological basis; neither does any of the pseudo-history of the Book of Mormon; and no archaeological evidence for it has been found, despite decades of looking for it.*

So we are faced with the prospect of an American president who believes in things that no rational person should possibly believe in: a faith that denies reason. Odd how Rick Santorum, the neoAristotelian, was never treated with the same deference.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/04/11/mormonism-is-not-a-christian-religion/














Is Mormonism Christian?


by Matt Slick



"Is Mormonism Christian?" is a very important question. The answer is equally important and simple.* No. Mormonism is not Christian.

If you are a Mormon, please realize that CARM is not trying to attack you, your character, or the sincerity of your belief.* If you are a non-Mormon looking into Mormonism, or if you are a Christian who is simply researching Mormonism, then this paper should be of help to you.

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God in all existence, Jesus is divine, God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 4:1-5), and Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 John 2:19; Luke 24:39), the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Cor. 15:1-4), Mormonism denies three of them:*how many gods there are, the God of Christianity, and His work of salvation.



Mormonism teaches

Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation.* It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8).* This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17). Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is God in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5).* See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity is (see also, false trinity)

Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, the Mormon is not Christian -- in spite of all his claims that he is Christian.* Quite simply, the Mormon god doesn't exist.



Mormonism teaches

Mormon theology teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed.* But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has* been God eternally (Psalm 90:2) -- which means he was never a man on another planet.* Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected.* The Bible tells us that Jesus - The Jesus of Mormonism -*is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.

Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil," (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience," (Articles, p. 81).* This clearly contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).

To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold.* It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teache it is by faith alone. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.



Mormonism and the Bible

In order to justify its aberrant theology, Mormonism has undermined the authority and trustworthiness of the Bible.* The 8th article of faith from the Mormon Church states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly."* This means that when the Bible contradicts Mormonism, the Bible isn't trustworthy.

The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith allegedly corrected the Bible in what is called The Inspired Version, though it is not used by the LDS church.* Though they claim they trust the Bible, in reality they do not.* They use Mormon presuppositions to interpret it instead of letting it speak for itself.* For example, where the Bible says there are no other gods in the universe (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), they interpret it to mean "no other gods of this world" - which is not what those verses say.* They do not trust the Bible and they often state that the Bible is not translated correctly.



Conclusion

Why is Mormonism a non-Christian religion? It is not Christian because it denies that there is only one God, denies the true Gospel, adds works to salvation, denies that Jesus is the uncreated creator, distorts the biblical teaching of the atonement, and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.

CARM does not deny that Mormons are good people, that they worship "a" god, that they share common words with Christians, that they help their people, and that they do many good things.* But that isn't what makes someone Christian.* Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23, " Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" (NKJV). Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a church, doing good things, or simply believing in God. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus -- not the brother of the devil, not the god of Mormonism, not the gospel of Mormonism.* Mormonism is false and cannot save anyone.

*http://carm.org/is-mormonism-christian






Whether Mormons should be considered "Christians" is a controversial and rather complicated issue. Many Catholics and Protestants do not consider Mormons to be Christians because they believe the differences in doctrines are larger and more fundamental than those between Christian denominations.

On other hand, religious studies books tend to group Mormons in with Christians because: Mormons regard themselves as Christians; Mormonism emerged in a Christian context; and Mormonism shares much in common with other forms of Christianity.

Mormons also consider themselves Christians for much the same reasons as listed above. However, they consider themselves to be significantly different from other branches of Christianity. They regard themselves as neither Catholic nor Protestant, viewing both of those faiths as corruptions of true Christianity, which has been restored by Mormonism. 1

The following chart provides a quick-reference guide to the major similarities and differences between the beliefs and practices of Mormonism and mainstream Protestant Christianity. As is always the case with charts, the information is simplified for brevity and should be used alongside more complete explanations. The beliefs listed for both Mormons and Protestant Christians represent those of most, but not all, churches or individuals within each tradition.

See chart:
http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/comparison.htm

Soflasnapper
08-09-2012, 03:48 PM
I agree with this piece, but it's mainly of interest to the fundamentalists and evangelicals among the Christians (although they happen to be a big part of the GOP base).

However, unless we're talking one of those varieties of Christian, most Christians are fairly ecumenical in outlook, and would not hold a variant belief against someone seeking a secular office.

That so many WOULD, by polling, refuse to vote for any Mormon for high office (I'm thinking I remember at least 15% of US adults, maybe a bit higher), reflects how large a part of the population that kind of Christian is in the country.

Gayle in MD
08-09-2012, 05:37 PM
Not sure if there are as many who would be ecumenical, or that mostly, the Evangelicals and fundementalists would not accept Mormonism as a Christian religion.

I looked into a number of religious sites. Catholic and Protestant, included. None of them seemed willing to recognize Mormonism as a Christian religion.

Of course, that doesn't account for ALL of their parishioners, who often don't agree on all things taught by their own religion, lol.
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Soflasnapper
08-11-2012, 01:05 PM
At a doctrinal level, many of the Christian sects consider other sects not only wrong, but leading their followers to hell.

Catholics think all other Christians are going to hell, I think it's fair to say.

Baptists, and especially the Southern Baptist Convention, is clear that Catholics and any other Protestants as well who don't use complete immersion for baptism are going to hell.

It's fairly mainstream for any Christan sect to consider Jews damned to hell unless they convert to Christianity, and then they'll STILL go there unless they convert to the correct version.

However, apart from the whole 'hey, no offense, but you're going to hell!' doctrinal issues, by far most Christianists would vote for other sects if they are running for office. It wouldn't be a deal breaker probably for Southern Baptists to vote for a Presbyterian, although they might draw the line at Quakers or Unitarianism worshipers.

Where all could probably agree would be in voting against an atheist or a Moslem, or a Wiccan or a Santeria cultist. Is the LDS as bad as those? For some, yes, of course. For most? I would argue no.

Why? Because the LDS features shiny faced WASP types, that are otherwise so blandly mainstream Americans that they don't send up the SOS flare signals.

Excepting the harder core fundamentalists of all stripes, who definitely will vote against any but a co-religionist. (I wonder who the Orthodox Jews could accept, or who they reject?)

cushioncrawler
08-11-2012, 06:23 PM
Jews and Christians beleeved that there were lots of gods, but that they shood adore only God. Read the The Holey Bible.

That bizness about them beleeving that there iz only one god, ie God, iz bullkrapp. Or putting it another way, it iz true, but it iz a modern invention, and iz in fakt heresy.

So, what u hav, iz that modern Christians are not proper Christians (ie they dont beleev in gods, apart from the trinity stuff).
And Mormons are not Christians (ditto).
Muslims. I aint sure whether they beleev in gods or knot.
Jews. Praps some jews beleev in gods. Doubt it.
mac.