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Qtec
08-10-2012, 03:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON-- The Franciscan Action Network (FAN), a Catholic faith-based advocacy and civic engagement organization, is strongly criticizing Mitt Romney's recent ads and rhetoric regarding welfare programs and welfare recipients, urging him to spend some time in low-income communities.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Our Christian tradition teaches that we are to treat the poor with dignity and to prioritize the poor in our policies as a society," the organization said in a press release on Thursday. "At a time when millions are struggling financially, it is degrading to talk about the 'dependency' of people hurting in this economy, as Gov. Romney did recently."
</span>
Rhett Engelking, a secular Franciscan in Milwaukee and member of FAN, has even personally invited Romney to visit with the low-income people he assists. “Political leaders would not talk about the poor in demeaning ways or cut job training programs if they spent more time with the people they are affecting with their policies," he said.

While faith-based anti-poverty and charity organizations have often criticized candidates and lawmakers for a perceived unwillingness to highlight and tackle issues affecting the very poor, FAN claims Romney's rhetoric goes a step further, unfairly using welfare recipients as political props. </div></div>

Mitt complaining about all these Govt subsidies when he uses every trick in the book to get tax credits from same Govt.

The REAL Willard.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Report: Romneys pushed for reduced value on Calif. home, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>resulting in tax cut</span>

(CBS News) As Democrats press Mitt Romney to release a more extensive picture of his tax history, a new report from the Los Angeles Times suggests that Romney and his wife Ann made multiple attempts to have the value of one of their multimillion dollar homes reassessed, which allowed them to save on property taxes on the house.

According to the Times, <span style='font-size: 23pt'>the Romneys paid $12 million in cash for a beach-front house in La Jolla, California, in 2008. <u>Just seven months later,</u> the couple appealed to San Diego County for the house to be reassessed at a value of $6.8 million.</span> A little more than a year later, they amended that appeal to $8.9 million, after hiring an attorney. In the 2010 tax year, the Romneys requested a reduction in value to $7.5 million.

The value of the house was ultimately valued downward by the San Diego County Assessment Appeals Board, though by much less than the Romneys' initial appeal: In 2001, the board reduced the 2009 assessment to $11.4 million, according to the Times, and in 2010 its value was reduced to $10 million.

In 2011, the county automatically reassessed the house to $8.7 million.

As a result of the multiple reductions, the Romneys saved about <span style='font-size: 20pt'>$109,000 in taxes over four years. </span></div></div>


To be fair and balanced, I must also say,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's not unusual in such cases that homeowners would request a reassessment, or that the county itself would lead the charge in doing so. According to the Times, 250,000 San Diego County homes have been reassessed since the housing market crash.</div></div>

Even with that, I think its hard to claim that in 7 months your house is worth almost half what you paid for it. Especially when one house on the same street that was bought by a billionaire went for $16 Million. own beach! (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-romney-property-tax-20120806,0,4926772.story)

Q

LWW
08-10-2012, 03:55 AM
Did you think nobody else would read the article?

Or, did you not comprehend it?

Or, are you simply being dishonest by slicing and dicing the article to present a false "TRUTH" to the forum?

What you out was that not only did the appraisers and tax assessors agree that the value ad dropped ... you left out tat the drop was due to the existing house being destroyed.

Qtec
08-10-2012, 07:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What you out was that not only did the appraisers and tax assessors agree that the value ad dropped ... you left out tat the drop was due to the existing house being destroyed. </div></div>

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-08/71635499.jpg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Beach-goers enjoy a sunny day in front of Mitt Romney's home in La Jolla. (Allen J. Schaben, Los Angeles Times / May 15, 2012)
</div></div>

The house is still there.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Romneys have filed plans to quadruple the size of their waterfront house. They include a split-level garage with an elevator

Published: June 6, 2012 </div></div>

link (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/garden/mitt-romney-the-candidate-next-door.html?pagewanted=all)

Q

LWW
08-11-2012, 02:44 AM
Honesty just isn't in you is it.

You can't quadruple the size of a home that consumes over half the and area unless it is demolished.

You can't add an elevator in a single story home.

Qtec
08-11-2012, 03:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honesty just isn't in you is it.

You can't quadruple the size of a home that consumes over half the and area unless it is demolished.

You can't add an elevator in a single story home. </div></div>



Romney bought a house for 12M.
7 months later he claimed it was only worth 7M.
You claim this was because the house was demolished.
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>I just showed you a pic of the house- still standing- in May 2012.</span>

June 6, 2012 (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/garden/mitt-romney-the-candidate-next-door.html?pagewanted=all)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Little did Mr. Romney know that his efforts to quadruple the size of his house would collide with a bid for the White House, foisting the unpredictable dramas of home renovation and presidential politics onto a community that prides itself on low-key California neighborliness.

So now, after overcoming the distrust of social conservatives and evangelical voters to clinch the Republican nomination, Mr. Romney<u> must win over</u> another constituency, one that his campaign team never anticipated, polled or targeted: disaffected neighbors.

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>It will not be easy.</span> There are those who seem pleased by Mr. Romney’s presence here, which real estate agents have whispered could raise home values by 10 percent. “Personally, I’m glad it’s people who have a little bit of money and taste living there,” said Susan Coll, who lives three houses away. </div></div>

You got it wrong, man up.

Q

eg8r
08-12-2012, 05:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt complaining about all these Govt subsidies when he uses every trick in the book to get tax credits from same Govt.</div></div>LOL, qtip complaining about Mitt when qtip already declared himself to be a tax cheat. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

LWW
08-12-2012, 06:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt complaining about all these Govt subsidies when he uses every trick in the book to get tax credits from same Govt.</div></div>LOL, qtip complaining about Mitt when qtip already declared himself to be a tax cheat. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

As is typical with leftists ... it's always the other guy that needs to pay their fair share.

hondo
08-13-2012, 03:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt complaining about all these Govt subsidies when he uses every trick in the book to get tax credits from same Govt.</div></div>LOL, qtip complaining about Mitt when qtip already declared himself to be a tax cheat. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

In MHO anyone who doen't cheat on their taxes a little isn't a true American.The question is- Does Mitt do it more than a little? Maybe we'll find out; maybe we won't.

Soflasnapper
08-13-2012, 06:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honesty just isn't in you is it.

You can't quadruple the size of a home that consumes over half the and area unless it is demolished.

You can't add an elevator in a single story home. </div></div>

You can't get a changed value for the property even THIS year, if the demo is later in the year after the assessment date.

What is still more clear is that you cannot get a reduction in assessed value from a demo that will occur in a later year than this one.

I agree that you've hit upon the most logical answer, but not one that comports with the facts.

If the one that is shown is the new one, then of course, the property would be MORE valuable (because of the new home's far greater value as a quadrupled square footage house with new amenities).

This isn't cheating by Romney, however, but simply smart tax avoidance (or a try at it). I do it as trustee every year for a half-dozen property holdings, but that is because I have a fiduciary obligation to take care to meet the prudent man standard, and because seeking such a reduction costs nothing here (with many firms offering to do so on a contingency basis).

Qtec
08-14-2012, 02:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the one that is shown is the new one, then of course, the property would be MORE valuable (because of the new home's far greater value as a quadrupled square footage house with new amenities). </div></div>

The house in the pic is the same house the Mitt bought. It is still standing although Mitt has applied for planning permission to demolish it and build a new one.

He bought it for 12M and 7 months later he claimed it was only worth 6M! With the help of a lobbbyist, he eventually got the valuation reduced - even although beach front houses are the most desirable- and saved %25,000 a year on taxes.

Q

Soflasnapper
08-14-2012, 09:38 AM
The true value of a house is what a willing buyer pays for it.

Even if it is overpaid for, relative to other comps, it seems purchasing it outright sets the bar right there.

Unless the purchase were some years before, as it may have been, in which case the market trend could certainly make that house less valuable than recently sold for.

So how long has he had the house? If 5 years at least, this isn't actually out of line, to argue to the property assessor that it ought to be appraised at a lower value than purchased for. And of course, it is not automatically granted, if the reduced value is granted at all, which is subject to the property appraiser's offices review.

Qtec
08-14-2012, 06:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The true value of a house is what a willing buyer pays for it.</div></div>

What if it is underpaid?

If you demolish a house, how much is the house that is no more worth?

What is the taxation on a non existent house?

Q

eg8r
08-15-2012, 07:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the taxation on a non existent house?</div></div>Still tax on the land and there will be tax on the new home that is built on the land.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-16-2012, 08:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt complaining about all these Govt subsidies when he uses every trick in the book to get tax credits from same Govt.</div></div>LOL, qtip complaining about Mitt when qtip already declared himself to be a tax cheat. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>



More of your outrageour insults? And in a thread about Christian Tradition, no less.

People who work as bar tenders, waitresses, waiters, and whole slew of service people of one sort or another, casino's, charter captains, I could go one, and on....all of them pocket some of their tips, etc., to make ends meet, because their base pay is not high enough for what they have to do.

I have far more respect for those kind of workers, who stand on their feet all day, and have to deal with obnoxious jerks who think they are above you, than I do for people who make their living off plumped up war contracts, robbing all of us on their so called work "Trips".

Far more respect than I do for those who get rich by cheating employers out of their insurance, retirement, jobs and futures by bankrupting companies and outsourcing jobs, without conscience, while hiding their multi millions in profits off shore, and then being piggish enough to brag that they give a measly 10% to charity!

Far more respect than I do for pigs like Ryan and Romney, who seek to deprive the needy of what little financial aid they must get in order to survive, and feed their hungry children, while hiding the FACT that thheir intention is to ro the poor, and give more to the wealty....far, far more respect!

G.

eg8r
08-16-2012, 08:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More of your outrageour insults? And in a thread about Christian Tradition, no less.</div></div>LOL, qtip is happy to have you on the leash as his own personal ankle-biter. He is the one that admitted it, if he finds his own admission insulting then tell him to keep his illegal private life secret.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-16-2012, 08:46 AM
Like when you admitted to being a murderer, according to your own standards for everyone except for yourself, and Paul Ryan's standards, for using birth control that rejects fertilized eggs?

Earth to ED!

eg8r
08-16-2012, 09:00 AM
LOL, if that is what you think but then again you do live in a fantasy land.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
08-16-2012, 09:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The true value of a house is what a willing buyer pays for it.</div></div>

What if it is underpaid?

If you demolish a house, how much is the house that is no more worth?

What is the taxation on a non existent house?

Q </div></div>

The appraiser's office has to take into account the comparable sales in the area, beyond the details of the single transaction of the last sale of this particular property. That would make a property undersold as to price more valuable than its last purchase price.

A demolished house would make the property only worth the land value, and down here at least, both values are shown in the appraisal, separately.

Gayle in MD
08-16-2012, 09:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, if that is what you think but then again you do live in a fantasy land.

eg8r </div></div>


Like when you admitted to being a murderer, according to your own standards for everyone except for yourself, and Paul Ryan's standards, for using birth control that rejects fertilized eggs?

Earth to ED!

hondo
08-16-2012, 01:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More of your outrageour insults? And in a thread about Christian Tradition, no less.</div></div>LOL, qtip is happy to have you on the leash as his own personal ankle-biter. He is the one that admitted it, if he finds his own admission insulting then tell him to keep his illegal private life secret.

eg8r </div></div>

Dear Lord, why do all of your responses have to be so hateful?

hondo
08-16-2012, 01:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, if that is what you think but then again you do live in a fantasy land.

eg8r </div></div>


Like when you admitted to being a murderer, according to your own standards for everyone except for yourself, and Paul Ryan's standards, for using birth control that rejects fertilized eggs?

Earth to ED!
</div></div>


ED USED BIRTH CONTROL !!!! WTF! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

eg8r
08-16-2012, 01:46 PM
Let's just say gaylio brings out the best in me. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

hondo
08-16-2012, 01:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's just say gaylio brings out the best in me. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

So you consider that the "best" in you? Interesting.

eg8r
08-16-2012, 02:27 PM
It is always interesting to see the things you find interesting. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-16-2012, 06:05 PM
Yes, He did, birth control pills, and the IUD, both of which reject fertilized eggs, AND and according to Paul Ryan, who is pro rape BTW, Ed is a murderer.

The Presonhood Amendment sponsored by Paul Ryan, states that those who use anny form of birth control which destroys fertilized eggs, is committing murder.

He also supports the invasive sonogram laws, which require any woman who seeks an abortion, to be forced to go through an invasive sonogram, forced penetration, IOW, RAPE.


According to Repiglicans, Ryan and Mitsey, no woman's life may be saved through an abortion, when her doctor says delivery of the fetus would kill her. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>This is one of the questions which Ed big man-up Ed, refuses to answer.</span>

Yet, the entire Repiglican Party, and their supporters deny there is a Repiglican WAR ON WOMEN, in spite of the fact that they have passed over twelve hundred bills trying to deny women who rely on Planned Parenthood, for life saving tests, and medication, many of them currently with husbands serving in the military, any aid from planned parenthood, and deny them their constitutionally guaranteed, rightful access to abortion and birth control. Paul Ryan has a very long record of voting against women's rights, even their right to equal pay for equal work, and even the right to sue when they are raped on the job.

Repiglicans always accuse the left of what they themelves are doing, demonstrated in their accusations that the president, who reached out to work with Repiglicans, over and over again, is dividing the country, even though Repiglicans first proclamation after his election, their absolute number one goal, as McConnell put it, was to destroy his presidency, and hence, they consistantly refused to compromise, even on policies which they have formally approved and had in their own platform.

They decided as a group to block and obstruct everything, as our country faced the worst legacy ever left to a president, from their own Bush and their own blank check congress, even if the country would be, and has been, hurt by their obstruction, NO COMPROMISES! OBSTRUCTION ONLY!

PiGS!

Romney's choice of Ryan, puts Romney firmly in the same category of being extremist. There is no more extremist person in the Congress, than Paul Ryan, who by the way, has only three children, conveniently spaced, so one could safely assume, he in fact has using birth control, himself.

Paul, I got mine Ryan, who used his social security from his father's death, for college, even though he was the son of a millionaire, and Mitsey I got mine Romney, whose solution for the kids of Middle Class Americans is to borrow money from their fathers. All four of them are the children of millionaires.

Two sons of millionaires, who think that it is right for millionaires to pay only 13% taxes as they are making money off their millions, while someone making only $60,000.00 a year, pays between 25% and 35% on their earnings.

But they say the President is launching class warfare?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA! Only the righties are stupid enough to fall for that scam, and try to claim that it is fair!

Fact is, Romney and Ryan will privatize Social Security, use vouchers for medicare, and charge the poor and the Middle Class, to cover greater tax cuts for the wealthy. That's their policy, and that's why they refuse to itemize their policies.

romney ANd Ryan, are LIARS! IF THEIR LIPS ARE MOVING, THEY'RE LYING~

G.

hondo
08-16-2012, 08:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is always interesting to see the things you find interesting. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

You really should take a closer look.

eg8r
08-17-2012, 08:45 AM
I will just take your word for it.

eg8r

hondo
08-17-2012, 09:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will just take your word for it.

eg8r </div></div>

Fair enough. I imagine that you are probably a decent guy but you have let your contempt for Gayle and me at times turn you into a really vile name caller at times. If you haven't noticed
most of us have tried to tone down the hateful rhetoric lately.
I know I'm trying.
like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.
Yugo and Larry and Fats when he gets mad at Larry go over the top at times but you are the worst offender.
I cringe every time Lotter calls Obama "the moron" , but still I realize he's calling a public figure that and not me.

Gayle in MD
08-17-2012, 10:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will just take your word for it.

eg8r </div></div>

Fair enough. I imagine that you are probably a decent guy but you have let your contempt for Gayle and me at times turn you into a really vile name caller at times. If you haven't noticed
most of us have tried to tone down the hateful rhetoric lately.
I know I'm trying.
like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.
Yugo and Larry and Fats when he gets mad at Larry go over the top at times but you are the worst offender.
I cringe every time Lotter calls Obama "the moron" , but still I realize he's calling a public figure that and not me. </div></div>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you are the worst offender.
</div></div>

Yes, he is, and there is no question of that!



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I cringe every time Lotter calls Obama "the moron" </div></div>

You mean to tell me that Lotter is talking about the president when he uses the term, 'Moron'?

OMG, all these years I thought he was talking about the biggest moron to ever serve in public office! George W. Bush. The missions accomplished guy who never completed a single mission in his entire presidency, other than destroying the economy, that is.

G.

eg8r
08-18-2012, 08:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r

hondo
08-18-2012, 05:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r </div></div>

So you admit that it is unfair when Lotter keeps calling the POTUS "The Moron" and Obama's not here to defend himself, or does Lotter get a pass because he's insulting a Democrat?

LWW
08-18-2012, 07:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r </div></div>

So you admit that it is unfair when Lotter keeps calling the POTUS "The Moron" and Obama's not here to defend himself, or does Lotter get a pass because he's insulting a Democrat? </div></div>

Question regarding that ... I don't ever recall you being upset when Bush was called far worse.

Why is that? Seriously.

My rap from the cabal about me being a republican come from me wanting to see democrats call a fair game.

Gayle in MD
08-18-2012, 07:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r </div></div>

First of all, since your comprehension of our language apparently depends upon your agenda, the word, 'insulting' does not apply in the case of one discussing (writing) their opinions regardng political public figures, or any public figure, for that matter.

In order to insult someone, they have to be present, or aware.

Being critical of a public figure, because they offend my values, and writing about that opinion, is quite a different thing from insulting someone.

In the case of public figures, it goes with the territory, as they say, that ayone and everyone may not approve of who they are, or how they act, and may write about that disapprovel, not just on some obscure public internet forum, but in all forms of news and entertainment media.

To insult is a deliberate act, intended to hurt or offend.



G.

hondo
08-18-2012, 08:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r </div></div>

So you admit that it is unfair when Lotter keeps calling the POTUS "The Moron" and Obama's not here to defend himself, or does Lotter get a pass because he's insulting a Democrat? </div></div>

Question regarding that ... I don't ever recall you being upset when Bush was called far worse.

Why is that? Seriously.

My rap from the cabal about me being a republican come from me wanting to see democrats call a fair game. </div></div>

You are not following the discussion. I am trying to convince Eg
to tone down on the insults of fellow posters.
Calling public figures names should not warrant attacking fellow posters.
I remember me saying something derogatory about some public figure on AZ and was quickly told by a few members that I was a stinking old POS or some such comments.
I complained to Wilson and was soon given the boot for being a troublemaker, but , of course, you'll say that never happened and I don't want to go through all this again.
The point being that I wasn't calling them the names, why attack me?
Gayle wasn't calling EG the names, why attack her?
Lotter calls Obama a moron, why attack him?

My beef with lotter is in glorifying a murderer.
I don't like him calling the POTUS a moron, but, as you said, the same was said about Bush.

hondo
08-18-2012, 09:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r </div></div>

First of all, since your comprehension of our language apparently depends upon your agenda, the word, 'insulting' does not apply in the case of one discussing (writing) their opinions regardng political public figures, or any public figure, for that matter.

In order to insult someone, they have to be present, or aware.

Being critical of a public figure, because they offend my values, and writing about that opinion, is quite a different thing from insulting someone.

In the case of public figures, it goes with the territory, as they say, that ayone and everyone may not approve of who they are, or how they act, and may write about that disapprovel, not just on some obscure public internet forum, but in all forms of news and entertainment media.

To insult is a deliberate act, intended to hurt or offend.



G.

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Gayle, I have been trying to explain that to them for years but they refuse to buy it.
I was on a music forum once and said that Tim McGraw was not that good.
His fans called me every name in the book.
Anyone who goes on AZ and calls King limberger a lying old fool and I guarantee you his worshipers will call you every name in the book.

Gayle in MD
08-18-2012, 09:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">like some on AZ you seem to take it personally when Gayle or others insult some public figure and then you turn on the poster.</div></div>LOL, well at least you admit gayle is insulting. She never will admit it and thinks that it is only insulting if the person is here on the board and she has free reign to do as much insulting as she wants with zero recourse because the people are not here.

eg8r </div></div>

First of all, since your comprehension of our language apparently depends upon your agenda, the word, 'insulting' does not apply in the case of one discussing (writing) their opinions regardng political public figures, or any public figure, for that matter.

In order to insult someone, they have to be present, or aware.

Being critical of a public figure, because they offend my values, and writing about that opinion, is quite a different thing from insulting someone.

In the case of public figures, it goes with the territory, as they say, that ayone and everyone may not approve of who they are, or how they act, and may write about that disapprovel, not just on some obscure public internet forum, but in all forms of news and entertainment media.

To insult is a deliberate act, intended to hurt or offend.



G.

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Gayle, I have been trying to explain that to them for years but they refuse to buy it.
I was on a music forum once and said that Tim McGraw was not that good.
His fans called me every name in the book.
Anyone who goes on AZ and calls King limberger a lying old fool and I guarantee you his worshipers will call you every name in the book. </div></div>

<span style="color: #660000">LOL, if Limpballs is their hero, that tells you everything you need to know about their intellect.

G. </span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

eg8r
08-20-2012, 08:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In order to insult someone, they have to be present, or aware.</div></div>There are people here on the right that are present when you make your insulting posts. Are you that stupid as to think you get to blast generalities and not be insulting to those reading your posts. You are the queen of insults. The last sentence in your response is proof that you are insulting because you do it deliberately with intent to hurt or offend.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
08-20-2012, 08:38 AM
Typical Eg,
convolute the entire discussion!

Another switcheroo?

We were discussing my comments here about public people, which you call talking behind their backs!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are people here on the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>LEFT</span> that are present when you make your insulting posts. Are you that stupid as to think you get to blast generalities and not be insulting to those reading your posts. </div></div>



You're a joke! Everyone knows when it comes to insults, only two regulars come close to you, both of them righties!

And you're the worst of all!

G.

hondo
08-20-2012, 01:26 PM
You are the one calling her names. She sometimes responds as I have.
But if she is simply giving her opinion about someone you don't know personally, why do you feel the need to respond with personal insults?
You like to appear as the intellectual superior of the rest of us on here.
You would present a stronger case if you would think before you type. Just saying.
If we aren't calling you names, refrain from calling us stupid and idiots.

eg8r
08-20-2012, 02:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are the one calling her names.</div></div>Well if I was talking about myself then you might on to something Sherlock. To get you back up to speed, you were the one that called gayle insulting and I agreed with you. Carry on...

eg8r