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Soflasnapper
08-11-2012, 06:30 PM
McCain wanted to use his wisdom about the world, and his proven leadership and long experience in national security matters, to sell the country that he was a far better bet to entrust the country's affairs to than the Obama ticket.

Then he picked someone without the slightest qualifications in national security or foreign affairs, and a notable lack of anything like the experience he said was his main selling point. It became a very hard sell, and if he didn't drop it entirely, and maybe he did, it lost considerable impact.

Romney's key attribute was that he was not like the professional politicians in the primary field, but had actually been a private sector guy, savvy about the real world of non-politicians, the economy, and etc.

So now he picks a professional politician whose jobs have been political ones in DC, who has spent over half his young life of 42 years in the belly of the beast, who lacks any meaningful experience in the private sector at all.

Out of panic, or pressure? Fairness might dictate he apologize to that other crew, as by his own actions, he seems not to believe this is any kind of critical criterion at all.

Qtec
08-12-2012, 04:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So now he picks a professional politician whose jobs have been political ones in DC, who has spent over half his young life of 42 years in the belly of the beast, who lacks any meaningful experience in the private sector at all.

Out of panic, or pressure? </div></div>

The Koch Bros picked Ryan, he's their man.
Mitt thinks he can win without a decent running mate, without releasing his tax returns, without talking about his time as Govr, without answering Q,s on Romnetcare or now Bain, etc etc etc. The guy is so full of himself its like he thinks he is destined to be POTUS. If he has to sell his soul to the devil to get there then so be it. He seems to have no qualms about going on TV and lying through his teeth on everything.

Q

Gayle in MD
08-12-2012, 04:48 AM
I would say it was out of desperation. Romney has been more attacked by his own base than any presidential candidate I've ever seen!

Ryan isn't going to help Mitsey win over Dems, nor Independents!

Ryan voted for the personhood BS. He also voted for the Stimulus Bill, which has been so maligned by his own party.

Between that, and Ryan's throw Grandma off the cliff policies of destroying SS and Medicare, And Ryan's support of the Personhood efforts by Repiglicans to destroy women's access to birth control, and abortion, Romney will now further lose women of all ages, the yung single women, and the retiree vote, IMO.

He's called the Ryan plan marvelous! It's very unpopular among the vast majority of Americans.

How's he going to walk that back, with Ryan as his VP?

He's going to try to walk it back, and say he's going to tweak it, they're already trying to do that, and the more he does it, the more people are going to be thinking, jeese, this guy flips AGAIN???? Who can trust him on anything he says he's going to tweak in the Ryan Plan.

This is another gift for Dems, IMHO. A HUGE one, at that!

Mitsey is really trying to win back his own base, Republicans, with this choice, who don't really like him anymore than Democrats do, lol.

Romney is sooooooo desperate!

G.

Soflasnapper
08-12-2012, 03:13 PM
Apparently GOP professionals behind the scenes are complaining that this now makes the election NOT about the economy, but about a huge (and unpopular) reform based on Ryan's blueprint.

A far more risky thing to run on than the obviously semi-moribund or worse economy, which at least all agree to.

The problem is that even among Republicans, and even among their Tea Party fringe, leaving SS and MC untouched is favored at 2-1 ratios, even when framed as causing a greater deficit as a result.

It also has the feature or bug of filling in the policy prescription holes in the areas that Romney has been unwilling to provide details, when apparently he was hoping to finesse that entire subject with 'trust me, I'm a businessman for Pete's sake!!!'

LWW
08-12-2012, 03:47 PM
More accurately, McCain ... like Romney ... are RINO candidates.

Both needed someone who was what they weren't in an effort to convince people of a lie.

In both cases the GOP would have been better served with the ticket reversed.

In both cases the looney left demokrooks would have reacted in the exact same way as the reactions were canned anyway.

Soflasnapper
08-12-2012, 04:56 PM
I somewhat agree with that.

But doesn't that mean the GOP base is being punked by liars, by simply putting a powerless pretty face (or RW zealot, or both) on the ticket?

Does the base understand this trick? If so, why will they fall for it (again)?

Gayle in MD
08-12-2012, 09:07 PM
Yes, and Ryan does not have a good voting record, at all.

He voted for all of the spending, running up debts, launching programs without a moment of thought of how they would be paid for, during the entire Bush Administration.

Now, they're going to have to deal with walking back the history of TWO CONS, instead of just one!

It's already beginning:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As Mitt Romney's campaign was trying to distance itself from his running mate's proposed budget on Sunday, senior adviser Ed Gillespie admitted that the candidate "would have signed" Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) controversial plan.

After the Republican presidential hopeful on Saturday announced that he had selected Ryan as the vice presidential nominee, CNN obtained a campaign memo that sought to distinguish Romney's policies from Ryan's budget proposal.

"Gov. Romney applauds Paul Ryan for going in the right direction with his budget, and as president he will be putting together his own plan for cutting the deficit and putting the budget on a path to balance," the memo said.

In a briefing to reporters on Sunday, campaign spokesman Kevin Madden tried to prevent the race from turning into a referendum on Ryan.

"Gov. Romney is at the top of the ticket," Madden insisted. "And Governor Romney's vision for the country is something that Congressman Ryan supports."

But in a Sunday morning appearance on CNN, Gillespie was forced to admit that Romney supported Ryan's budget and would have signed it into law.

"Well, as Governor Romney has made clear, if the Romney -- sorry, if the Ryan budget had come to his desk as president, he would have signed it, of course," Gillespie told CNN's Candy Crowley. "And one of the reasons that he chose Congressman Ryan is his willingness to put forward innovative solutions in the budget."

Meanwhile, Democrats like Obama campaign senior adviser David Axelrod were calling the Ryan budget a "prescription for economic catastrophe" because it would turn Medicare into a voucher system while giving tax breaks to wealthy Americans.

"This was a guy who rubber stamped every aspect of the Bush economic policy, including not paying for two wars, a Medicare prescription plan, two big tax cuts, Axelrod told ABC's David Gregory on Sunday. And now he wants trillions of dollars of more budget-busting tax cuts skewed to the wealthy.

"Hes the guy whos the architect of a plan to end Medicare as we know it and turn it into a voucher program and ship thousands of dollars of costs onto senior citizens," the senior Obama adviser added on ABC's This Week. "Hes someone who was the architect of a Social Security privatization scheme that was so out there that even George Bush called it irresponsible, and he believes that we should ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest."

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Republican policies failed to create jobs. Bush's job numbers are pathetic.

Trickle down does not work in the long run! Never has, never will.

G.

Qtec
08-13-2012, 01:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More accurately, McCain ... like Romney ... are RINO candidates.

Both needed someone who was what they weren't in an effort to convince people of a lie.

In both cases the GOP would have been better served with the ticket reversed.

In both cases the looney left demokrooks would have reacted in the exact same way as the reactions were canned anyway. </div></div>

OMG, not that again.

Every time a GOPer FKS up you say he is a RINO.

How convenient.

I guess you will be voting for Obama. He seems the logical choice compared to these FAKES!

Q

LWW
08-13-2012, 03:23 AM
As started asyou may be ... I ave considered doing exactly that.

The reason is that if Romney wins and there s a recovery ... people will be told that t was because of free market economics, when instead it woud be merely a slowdown in the advance of the fascist state.

Obama will cause the old system to colapse sooner, allowing the possibility for the return to liberty to start sooner.

OTOH a Roney win would allow more time for the electoral system to avoid the collapse of the old system.

Mst likely ... I will te for a third alternative again.

LWW
08-13-2012, 03:24 AM
They didn't fall for it last time.

Qtec
08-13-2012, 03:41 AM
There is no third alternative.

That's a vote thrown away.

Q

LWW
08-13-2012, 03:48 AM
Actually there are quite a few.

Because you buy into the idea that the only choice is between the fast route to tyranny and the slow route to tyranny doesnt mean I have to.