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Grapenut
08-24-2012, 06:04 AM
"The problem with American conservatism is that it hates the left more than the state, loves the past more than liberty, feels a greater attachment to nationalism than to the idea of self-determination, believes brute force is the answer to all social problems, and thinks it is better to impose truth rather than [sic] risk losing one soul to heresy. It has never understood the idea of freedom as a self-ordering principle of society. It has never seen the state as the enemy of what conservatives purport to favor. It has always looked to presidential power as the saving grace of what is right and true about America". Lew Rockwell


http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1205f.asp

A look at the attempt to define both. Good read.

Nut

LWW
08-24-2012, 07:10 AM
The problem with the 100% pure libertarian ideology is the same flaw contained in Marxism ... they require a perfect race to operate as advertised.

Marxism always fails because leadership, when power is attained, become of the opinion that theyare special and worthy of more wealth and power than the proletariat. To maintain tat power requires tyranny.

At the same time, pure libertarianism is de facto anarchy once some people realize that sans a state they are much freer to use violence for personal gain. When this occurs rge weak look for proection from the evil ... and the result is order returned by tyranny.

The closest to perfection we have ever found is the American republic of 1787 to 1933 ... where there is just enough of a state to maintain order.