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DiabloViejo
09-05-2012, 08:14 PM
<span style='font-size: 11pt'><span style="color: #000099">LOL-- Is this freaking guy for real? First he demonizes the stimulus, then we found out he requested funds from the stimulus. Then he demonizes Obamacare, then requests funds from it. Mittens has picked the perfect running mate. He found a liar and a hypocrite as big as himself.</span></span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Exclusive: Paul Ryan Quietly Requested Obamacare Cash</span>
Lee Fang on September 5, 2012 - 1:35 PM ET
Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan is barnstorming the country, promising to repeal every provision of the Affordable Care Act if the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected. But a letter he wrote to the Obama administration may undermine this message.

On December 10, 2010, Ryan penned a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services to recommend a grant application for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan’s district. “The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages who are currently without healthcare,” Ryan wrote.

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The grant Ryan requested was funded directly by the Affordable Care Act, better known simply as healthcare reform or Obamacare.

The letter, among several obtained by The Nation and The Investigative Fund through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a stark reminder that even the most ardent opponents of Obamacare privately acknowledge many of the law’s benefits.

Federally funded health clinics have long provided a broad range of vital medical, dental and mental health services to underprivileged communities across the country, regardless of a persons’ ability to pay. To meet the goal of expanding coverage, the Affordable Care Act provides for a sweeping expansion of such clinics, including $9.5 billion for operating costs to existing community health centers and $1.5 billion for new construction.

In public, Ryan has cultivated a profile as one of health reform’s most outspoken critics. He savages the Affordable Care Act as an example of “Washington’s reckless spending spree,” as “irresponsible,” and has warned repeatedly that it would place the “federal government squarely in the middle of health-care decisions.”

Explaining his “philosophical difference” with Democrats, Ryan told ABC News this summer that he would seek to repeal the “entire law” because healthcare rights come from “nature and God,” not the government. He expressed dismay that the Supreme Court upheld the law during the interview.

Despite Ryan’s quiet support for an Affordable Care Act clinic grant in his district, the Wisconsin congressman’s promise to repeal Obamacare would undermine the law’s five-year plan to rapidly grow the health clinic system in America by withdrawing the necessary funds. The so-called Ryan Budget plan would also decimate other federal support for health clinics, according to an analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Before Republicans broadly agreed upon a strategy of opposing any health reform proposal embraced by President Obama, the party once supported access to healthcare using clinics. The Bush administration requested and received modest increases in federal health clinic funding over the years. Now, however, the GOP has made opposing the entire Affordable Care Act a central plank in its platform, and virtually no lawmakers have been willing to praise it while speaking to the media.

Ryan isn’t alone in shaking his fist at health reform with one hand while extending an open palm behind closed doors.

As I reported over a year ago, even Congressman Hal Rogers, a conservative Representative from Kentucky, and former Senator John Ensign, a rising star in the Republican Party before he resigned in disgrace, wrote letters asking for health reform grants while calling for absolute repeal. Rogers called health reform “socialistic” and a “monstrosity.” Nevertheless, he requested Obamacare funds for a nursing clinic in rural Clay County. The money, Rogers said in a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services, would “provide critical care in an area in extreme need of access to adequate healthcare.” Ensign recommended an application for a physician training grant made possible through the Affordable Care Act.

Rogers and Ryan have voted to repeal all of the Affordable Care Act on multiple occasions in the last two years.

“I don’t know what’s the bigger sin,” says Tom Perriello, a former Democratic congressman who championed health clinics as a supporter of the Affordable Care Act. “The hypocrisy of asking for funding from a program while seeking to repeal it, or that the Republicans have been so much more committed to hurting the president than to helping people that something as uncontroversial as funding for community health centers must be requested in secret.”

Perriello is now counselor for policy at the Center for American Progress, where I previously worked as a political blogger.

An outline of the health reform “replacement” legislation advanced by Mitt Romney and Ryan, mostly centered on proposals to gut state and federal health insurance regulations by allowing insurance providers to sell coverage across state lines, makes no mention of health clinics.

In addition to undercutting his political message about health reform, the letter may also add to an emerging narrative that Ryan has a double standard when it comes to critiquing major Obama policy achievements. Shortly after Romney announced that Ryan would be joining him on the Republican ticket this year, the Boston Globe revisited a story showing how Ryan quietly lobbied the Obama administration for stimulus grants. Ryan voted against the proposal and denounced it to the press without disclosing his requests for stimulus cash.

Ryan first denied responsibility for the stimulus grant requests, but later confessed that his office had sent the letters.

Republicans have praised Ryan for his willingness to embrace unpopular cuts to government programs and for being a “consistent conservative.” The fact that Ryan has privately pleaded with the Obama administration for government grants from the president’s signature policy accomplishments, however, could unravel that conceit.

<span style="color: #CC0000">UPDATE: Brendan Buck, a spokesperson for the Mitt Romney campaign, responded to this story by claiming that this "grant program was created by President Bush, not Obamacare. This... type of misinformation is what you get from gotcha reporting on liberal blogs." Ryan's letter directly requests money from the HRSA-11-017 New Access Points program announced in August of 2010. This New Access Points grant program that Ryan requested money from is funded fully by the Affordable Care Act, a fact made clear on multiple government websites. </span>

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cushioncrawler
09-05-2012, 08:38 PM
Me myself i dont see any hypocracy.
I reckon that one might oppoze something or other, but nonetheless i dont necessaryly see the problem with asking for or uzing or wanting or having something or other.

For example a poly might say that the fed shoodnt be involved in education, but, seeing az it iz involved, i reckon that the poly iz ok to ask for education money from the fed for hiz area.
Every poly shood push for hiz state and area, at least for their fair share.

Az an example, i dont see any hypocracy in a poly voting against guns but toting a gun hizself.
Or a poly voting for higher taxes but paying only the legal minimum hizself.

Hypocracy.
An example would be a Ryan voting against abortion, but then having an abortion hizself.
mac.

eg8r
09-05-2012, 09:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For example a poly might say that the fed shoodnt be involved in education, but, seeing az it iz involved, i reckon that the poly iz ok to ask for education money from the fed for hiz area.
Every poly shood push for hiz state and area, at least for their fair share.</div></div> This is the type of common sense the left misses dearly.

eg8r

DiabloViejo
09-05-2012, 09:52 PM
So much for those glorified GOP principles huh?

BTW, if it is, as you say, just a matter of common sense (and nothing to be ashamed of). Then why did the Romney campaign feel obligated to lie about it? Did you somehow conveniently miss this part:

<span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #FF0000">UPDATE: Brendan Buck, a spokesperson for the Mitt Romney campaign, responded to this story by claiming that this "grant program was created by President Bush, not Obamacare. This... type of misinformation is what you get from gotcha reporting on liberal blogs." <u>Ryan's letter directly requests money from the HRSA-11-017 New Access Points program announced in August of 2010. This New Access Points grant program that Ryan requested money from is funded fully by the Affordable Care Act, a fact made clear on multiple government websites.</u> </span></span>

Gayle in MD
09-06-2012, 12:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Me myself i dont see any hypocracy.
I reckon that one might oppoze something or other, but nonetheless i dont necessaryly see the problem with asking for or uzing or wanting or having something or other.

For example a poly might say that the fed shoodnt be involved in education, but, seeing az it iz involved, i reckon that the poly iz ok to ask for education money from the fed for hiz area.
Every poly shood push for hiz state and area, at least for their fair share.

Az an example, i dont see any hypocracy in a poly voting against guns but toting a gun hizself.
Or a poly voting for higher taxes but paying only the legal minimum hizself.

Hypocracy.
An example would be a Ryan voting against abortion, but then having an abortion hizself.
mac. </div></div>

LOL, he probably thinks he can get pregnant, to. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

I think all those Republicans have a secret desire to be raped. that's why they can't stop thinking about it!

Hey we can solve this whole War On Women, and their recovery obstructon very easily.


I have this friend who lives in the Netherlands.

I'm sure he could help me to find and fly in a couple hundred Girls with The Dragaon Tattoos,... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

End of problemo! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
09-06-2012, 01:02 AM
Lyin Ryan. He lies, then he denies, then lies about his lies.

Sooooooooooo Godly!

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It's all over now anyway. Campaign over! Obama wins!

http://www.lyrics.com/dont-mess-with-bill-lyrics-the-marvelettes.html

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Qtec
09-06-2012, 04:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Me myself i dont see any hypocracy.
I reckon that one might oppoze something or other, but nonetheless i dont necessaryly see the problem with asking for or uzing or wanting or having something or other. </div></div>

So, if a guy who runs a blog advocating against the use of pesticides and it turns out he uses pesticides in his garden, he's not a hypocrite?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages <span style='font-size: 14pt'>who are currently without healthcare</span>,” Ryan wrote.
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This in Ryan's eyes is 'socialized healthcare'. Something he is 100% opposed to. If Mitt wins,this clinic would probably lose its funding.


Ryan was asked to recommend their application, he should have refused.
Ryan...

"How can I go around the country and bash Obamacare when it has helped one of my districts?"

But he did, and now they lie about it.

Q

cushioncrawler
09-06-2012, 05:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, if a guy who runs a blog advocating against the use of pesticides and it turns out he uses pesticides in his garden, he's not a hypocrite?</div></div>Thats a hypocrite.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages <span style='font-size: 14pt'>who are currently without healthcare</span>,” Ryan wrote.</div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This in Ryan's eyes is 'socialized healthcare'. Something he is 100% opposed to. If Mitt wins,this clinic would probably lose its funding. Ryan was asked to recommend their application, he should have refused. Ryan... "How can I go around the country and bash Obamacare when it has helped one of my districts?" But he did, and now they lie about it. Q</div></div>Possibly a hypocrite, but mightbe not. The thing iz, Ryan's system iznt in place. Just koz Ryan hates the prezent system, or duznt like it, or likes it but thinx that hiz iz better, none of that means that he shood shun the prezent sytem 100% or even 55% or even 5%.
mac.

Qtec
09-06-2012, 05:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Possibly a hypocrite, but mightbe not. The thing iz, Ryan's system iznt in place. Just koz Ryan hates the prezent system, or duznt like it, or likes it but thinx that hiz iz better, none of that means that he shood shun the prezent sytem 100% or even 55% or even 5%.
mac. </div></div>

I agree.

The real hypocrisy comes when Ryan, after asking for funds through Obamacare that actually helps the low paid, then goes round the country portraying Obamacare, [ an attempt to cut HC costs and give more people access to HC], as the worst thing since the Black Death!

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death)

Q

eg8r
09-06-2012, 01:49 PM
Again, it is common sense that you lack so much. Now back to the part that you underlined...was the grant program started with HRSA-11-017? If not was it started under Bush? If started under Bush and now funded by HRSA-11-017 how was it funded before and does the new bill call out taking over funding of this program?

eg8r

cushioncrawler
09-06-2012, 03:49 PM
Shoodnt u guys be uzing the cone of silence on this stuff.
mac.

DiabloViejo
09-06-2012, 04:01 PM
Please provide data to back up your statement. Go ahead and take your time...I can wait. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif

eg8r
09-06-2012, 07:15 PM
Provide data that you lack common sense? Just go back and read this thread alone. There is proof enough. cushioncrawler pointed it out.

eg8r

hondo
09-06-2012, 07:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Provide data that you lack common sense? Just go back and read this thread alone. There is proof enough. cushioncrawler pointed it out.

eg8r </div></div>

More personal attacks? Where does it end, Ed?
Why can't you defend your position without personal attacks?
Were you abused as a child? Not meaning to attack you. Just trying to understand you. PM me if you like.

eg8r
09-06-2012, 09:04 PM
LOL, when you starting acting like a man of your word.

eg8r

hondo
09-07-2012, 06:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, when you starting acting like a man of your word.

eg8r </div></div>
I AM a man of my word. You choose not to see that because, I guess, you feel like a big man hiding behind a computer and calling people idiots. Right?

eg8r
09-07-2012, 08:14 AM
You are NOT a man of your word. You are a boy full of lies. You have declared you were leaving this board, more than once, yet you never left. You declared you were no longer talking to me yet you have trolled your way into every thread I am in.

eg8r

hondo
09-07-2012, 02:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are NOT a man of your word. You are a boy full of lies. You have declared you were leaving this board, more than once, yet you never left. You declared you were no longer talking to me yet you have trolled your way into every thread I am in.

eg8r </div></div>

So YOU say!

eg8r
09-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Are you still posting here? Means you are not a man of your word. Are you still responding to me? Means you are not a man of your word. At least gayle does what she says. You are just pathetic.

eg8r

hondo
09-07-2012, 07:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you still posting here? Means you are not a man of your word. Are you still responding to me? Means you are not a man of your word. At least gayle does what she says. You are just pathetic.

eg8r </div></div>

I am always a man of my word. I really can't help it that your comprehension skills are weak. You seem unable to put 2 and 2 together.

BTW, do you want me to leave? Just ask.