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Soflasnapper
09-10-2012, 09:30 AM
Many people have scoffed at the very claim of the existence of voter fraud or voter registration fraud.

I'm hear to tell you it's REAL. And REAL bad.*

No, surprisingly, it isn't African-American vote fraud, or necro-American vote fraud, or even necro-African-American vote fraud. (Sorry, LWW!)

Here's the scoop from the Daily Beast, here. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/10/embarrassing-canadian-initiative.html) :

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Unintended Results From Florida's Voter Purge: One Illegal Canadian
by David Frum Sep 10, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

The state of Florida launched a huge crackdown on illegally registered voters. After months of search, Florida authorities have to date caught ... one person. An Austrian-born Canadian citizen, Josef Sever, age 52.

Under pressure from the governor, the state’s electoral officials had initially flagged more than 180,000 names (many of them Hispanic-sounding) for checking. All but 2,600 of those initially flagged – some of whom turned out to be not only citizens, but military veterans with service in Afghanistan and Iraq – were quickly determined to be bonafide citizens and restored to the voter rolls.

After further investigation, only one name – Mr. Sever’s – was sent to law-enforcement authorities last spring. Six other “suspect” cases, in a state with more than 10 million names on the voters’ list, are still being investigated.

Sever has admitted not only to voting illegally in the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections, but also to having made vigorous use of America's Second Amendment rights.

When first tracked down and interviewed by Department of Homeland Security investigators last spring, Mr. Sever admitted to lying about being a U.S. citizen both to vote and – four times – to buy firearms and obtain a “concealed carry” permit which allows him to carry a hidden weapon.

We don't know who Sever voted for. He showed no party affiliation in his voting documents. But with his Austrian accent and fondness for guns, he's missing only a few documents, a bank account, and a movie career to qualify him as Gov. Scott's possible successor.</div></div>

*Real bad, in the sense that one proven case essentially proves there are no cases, in significant numbers.

llotter
09-10-2012, 11:52 AM
sounds like a highly reliable source of truth.

Gayle in MD
09-10-2012, 11:58 AM
Impeach Rick Scott!

Soflasnapper
09-10-2012, 04:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sounds like a highly reliable source of truth. </div></div>

David Frum is a former George W. Bush speechwriter (partial author of the 'axis of evil' catch-phrase), so you are probably correct, however you mean that-- either sincerely, or satirically, tongue-in-cheek. Yes.

I think he's relatively honest and trustworthy, unless the subject is Israel. I could see how many might not, however.

Soflasnapper
09-10-2012, 04:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sounds like a highly reliable source of truth. </div></div>

The original story came from the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper, link in the Frum piece linked to by me.

From that piece, we find the court case references, judge name, etc., sufficient to find this in the public record, from which this reporting came.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Last week, “Sever admitted that he was born in Austria, is a naturalized citizen of Canada, and has never been a U.S. citizen,” according to court documents. Whether his plea included a bargain for sentencing is unknown. His lawyer, Daniel Ecarius, a public defender provided by the state, declined comment.

Falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen carries a five-year maximum sentence on the firearm infractions and a one-year sentence on the voting felonies.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>U.S. Federal District Court Judge Ursula Ungaro set a sentencing date of Nov. 9.</span> Judge Ungaro, an appointee of former president George W. Bush, is perhaps best known for a decision in which she ruled unconstitutional Mr. Scott’s plan to test all state employees for illegal drug use.

In Mr. Sever’s case, she set bail at $50,000 (U.S.). But the Canadian, described in court as unemployed, has so far failed to find the required bond.</div></div>

LWW
09-10-2012, 04:55 PM
The astounding thing is that dembots can witness voter fraud at their own convention and then turn round and deny that it exists.

Soflasnapper
09-11-2012, 09:33 AM
You still cannot get these terms right?

What you saw wasn't voter fraud. Nobody there voting was improperly there, lacking credentials, pretending to be able to vote.

What you saw there was vote tabulation fraud, entirely different from voter fraud. Democrats are well aware that vote tabulation fraud exists, and at this time in history, is almost exclusively the province of the right, as it's done in the proprietary software of the electronic voting machines, which few companies are owned by zealots of the right wing.

LWW
09-11-2012, 09:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You still cannot get these terms right?

What you saw wasn't voter fraud. Nobody there voting was improperly there, lacking credentials, pretending to be able to vote.

What you saw there was vote tabulation fraud, entirely different from voter fraud. Democrats are well aware that vote tabulation fraud exists, and at this time in history, is almost exclusively the province of the right, as it's done in the proprietary software of the electronic voting machines, which few companies are owned by zealots of the right wing.

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Are you actually claiming the voice vote met the required two thirds super majority?

Have you no honor?

Soflasnapper
09-11-2012, 11:10 AM
No, I think that 'judgment of the chair' was wrong, clearly wrong.

There may have been a majority, but I doubt it was sufficient to meet the standard.

That was related to voting, but nobody voted fraudulently, using false credentials to be there, or pretending to be someone else with forged id, etc., etc.

Just as voter REGISTRATION fraud is not VOTER fraud, so is vote TABULATION fraud not voter fraud. You see, VOTER FRAUD is something wrong done by voters. The other frauds, related to be sure, occur either before the voting or after the voting.

There was nothing fraudulent about the VOTING in this case. Procedurally, it was a mess, and points of order and calls for a roll call vote should have been acknowledged by the chair and then acted upon appropriately, to my knowledge. I don't think the chair's ignoring these things was legal under the convention rules.

LWW
09-11-2012, 02:47 PM
How can you say nobody voted fraudulently when you acknowledge that the chair had to de facto double the vote count one way ... or halve it the other way ... in orde rto get the desired result?

Soflasnapper
09-11-2012, 06:06 PM
[imagine an animated gif of an elaborate eye-roll here!]

In short, no, nothing like what you suggest happened.

Voting. Counting. Not counting. All separate things.