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Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 04:41 AM
Obama 60% believe the President will win!

Only one in ten are likely to change their minds on preference, cut in half since August when it was one in five...

Handling of jobs, dead even, 48% each candidate.

Handling of taxes, 50% Obama 46% Romney

Medicare Obama 52% Romney 43%

Battleground poll 50% Romney 47%

Only 4% undecided, LOL...

Obama leading in all "averaged" polling data!

Obama leading in many other categories, as well.
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http://www.politico.com

G.

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 06:17 AM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'> 'THE MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY!' </span>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After a rocky week that saw plenty of conservatives break away from Mitt Romney, New York Times columnist David Brooks summed up the state of affairs on Sunday.

Brooks was one of several panelists on NBC's "Meet The Press" roundtable, which dove into some data surrounding Romney's popularity.

"Look at his high unfavorable ratings," host David Gregory said. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"At 50%. The highest of any candidate running in recent memory. This is an image problem that his philosophical statements in this speech in May to fundraisers only exacerbates."</span><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Brooks did not mince words, calling Romney "the least popular candidate in history."</span>





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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/david-brooks-mitt-romney_n_1907400.html

Qtec
09-24-2012, 06:25 AM
But wait...........

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Former President Bill Clinton is warning that President Barack Obama’s edge in the polls may not be enough to defeat GOP hopeful Mitt Romney because the Republican Party was using voter suppression techniques to target traditionally Democratic voters like African-American church members and the elderly.</span>

“How much will the vote be lessened or reduced by the fact that in Florida except for four counties, the pre-election voting — advanced voting — has been cut down to and doesn’t include the Sunday before the election?” Clinton told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria in an interview that aired on Sunday.

The former president added that the tactic was “an arrow aimed straight at the heart of the African-American church, who pull up the church busses on the Sunday before the election and take elderly people who have no cars or people that are disabled to the polls so they can vote.”

“How much will those things work in Ohio, where the legislature eliminated advanced voting unless the local election council voted for it?” he continued. “In the Republican counties, the three Democratic commissioners — because they’re not hypocrites — voted with the Republican to allow advanced voting. In Cleveland, the three Republican commissioners voted against the Democrats so they can’t have advanced voting.”

“How much is all that going to affect the turnout? In my lifetime, nobody’s ever done anything quite this blatant. So, I think you have to assume it’s going to be close race, assume it’s going to be a hard fight, and then fight through it.”

Watch this video from ABC’s This Week, broadcast Sept. 23, 2012. </div></div>

link (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/23/clinton-republican-voter-suppression-targeting-african-american-churches/)



Bush won by 500 votes, allegedly. The GOP are disenfranchising millions of voters, mostly Democrat.

Get ready for an other election being stolen.


Not joking.

Q

Qtec
09-24-2012, 06:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Washington Secretary of State's office mailed out 1.1 million postcards to eligible voters this week notifying them that they "don't appear to be registered" to vote, generating confusion and suspicion from thousands of recipients who are in fact registered.

State co-director of elections Shane Hamlin confirms that his office has received about 1,100 phone calls over the past week from concerned registered voters who erroneously received the postcard, a number that suggests that thousands more registered voters must also have received the card. But Hamlin defends the mailing as an effort to promote voter registration education: <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"It's intended to be an outreach," explains Hamlin, "not an attempt to scare people way."</span>

... But the office's good intentions don't satisfy Kathleen Drew, the Democratic nominee for Secretary of State. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>"It is clear that this is something that should not be happening 46 days before an election day,"</span> Drew wrote in a statement released today. "It is confusing to voters and I urge the Secretary of State's office to do whatever they can do to correct this error without any further delay."

The error occurred when the Secretary of State's office cross-referenced the drivers license database with the voter registration database, matching on first name, last name, and birth date. Subject to some further eligibility screenings, postcards were mailed to people found in the former but not in the latter. </div></div>

New voter ID laws in every Republican controlled state.

It has to take its toll just due to the massive scale of voter suppression.

Q

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 09:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But wait...........

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Former President Bill Clinton is warning that President Barack Obama’s edge in the polls may not be enough to defeat GOP hopeful Mitt Romney because the Republican Party was using voter suppression techniques to target traditionally Democratic voters like African-American church members and the elderly.</span>

“How much will the vote be lessened or reduced by the fact that in Florida except for four counties, the pre-election voting — advanced voting — has been cut down to and doesn’t include the Sunday before the election?” Clinton told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria in an interview that aired on Sunday.

The former president added that the tactic was “an arrow aimed straight at the heart of the African-American church, who pull up the church busses on the Sunday before the election and take elderly people who have no cars or people that are disabled to the polls so they can vote.”

“How much will those things work in Ohio, where the legislature eliminated advanced voting unless the local election council voted for it?” he continued. “In the Republican counties, the three Democratic commissioners — because they’re not hypocrites — voted with the Republican to allow advanced voting. In Cleveland, the three Republican commissioners voted against the Democrats so they can’t have advanced voting.”

“How much is all that going to affect the turnout? In my lifetime, nobody’s ever done anything quite this blatant. So, I think you have to assume it’s going to be close race, assume it’s going to be a hard fight, and then fight through it.”

Watch this video from ABC’s This Week, broadcast Sept. 23, 2012. </div></div>

link (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/23/clinton-republican-voter-suppression-targeting-african-american-churches/)



Bush won by 500 votes, allegedly. The GOP are disenfranchising millions of voters, mostly Democrat.

Get ready for an other election being stolen.


Not joking.

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Very worrisome to me, and to all Democrats.

I hope that courts continue to strike down thses unconstitutional racist efforts by Repiglicans, to throw yet another election.

I am sure of one thing, though, there will be far more massive public outrage and social unrest if they continue with these un-American efforts to disenfranchise voters, and end up stealing yet ANOTHER election.


This time, things would get VERY ugly! Very Ugly indeed!


G.

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 01:37 PM
Latest on POLITICO



<span style='font-size: 17pt'>A new POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground Poll of likely voters finds little good news for Mitt Romney but a race that remains competitive.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Obama leads 50 percent to 47 percent, which is within the margin of error. His 50 percent job approval rating puts him at a crucial threshold for an incumbent seeking reelection. It’s an uptick from the spring and summer, but 48 percent still disapprove.</span>


Obama leads 50 percent to 47 percent, which is within the margin of error. His 50 percent job approval rating puts him at a crucial threshold for an incumbent seeking reelection. It’s an uptick from the spring and summer, but 48 percent still disapprove.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Romney, meanwhile, finds himself sliding in the wake of two events — the choice of his running mate and the Republican national convention — that were supposed to buoy his candidacy. His unfavorable rating ticked up from 46 percent to 49 percent over the past seven weeks, as the share viewing him favorably held steady at 46 percent. Personal likability boosts the president, who is viewed favorably by 53 percent.</span>

“The window is narrowing for Romney, and he’s in deep, deep trouble,” Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, who helped conduct the bipartisan poll, said Sunday. “Ultimately, people don’t like this guy. If they don’t like someone, it’s hard to get people to vote for him — particularly to fire someone they do like.”

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The universe of voters who might change their mind also has shrunk significantly. One in five supporting a candidate said they’d consider someone else last month. Now it’s closer to one in 10. Regardless of who they’re supporting, 60 percent now expect Obama to win. </span>

Democrats say this will fuel late Obama momentum. Republicans think pro-Obama turnout could drop off if people expect him to win.


The poll’s Republican pollster, Ed Goeas of the Tarrance Group, notes that Romney is winning independents by 2 points.

“Our original premise that this was going to be a very close race is just reinforced with most of this data,” he said. “This race is far from over.”
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Obama now ties or has an edge over Romney on who is best to handle every major issue except the federal budget and spending.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Romney has lost his edge on jobs.</span> A month ago, he led Obama by 6 points on the question of who is best equipped to put Americans back to work. Now they’re even. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Among those who say creating jobs is their top priority, Obama’s up 11 points.</span>

A slight majority disapproves of the way Obama’s handling the economy, yet <span style='font-size: 17pt'>he narrowly leads Romney on who is better to manage it.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Approval for Obama’s tax policy has risen from 46 to 51 percent in the last month, and Obama has a 4-point edge on who will better handle the issue after the two tied in the previous poll.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>“For the first time in decades, Democrats have persistently had an advantage on taxes,” said Lake.

The Democrat has also expanded his advantage on Medicare. He leads Romney by 9 points, 52 percent to 43 percent, on who can better handle the entitlement program. The president had a 4-point edge in the week before Romney announced Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) as his running mate.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Obama’s edge on foreign policy has diminished over the course of the year, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>but 50 percent still approve.</span> A 15-point lead in August has shrunk to 9.</span>The POLITICO poll was in the field from last Sunday through Thursday during the kerfuffle over Romney’s “47 percent” comments.<span style='font-size: 20pt'> Obama leads Romney by 19 points, 57 percent to 38 percent, on the question of who stands up best for the middle class — up 5 points from last month.</span>


Goeas argues that Romney is holding his own with middle-class voters, even if Democrats have won the messaging war. Overall, the race is tied at 48 percent among those who describe themselves as part of the middle class — which is three in four voters. Goeas said that Romney leads by 14 percent among “middle-class families,” which <span style='font-size: 17pt'>he defines </span>as households with either a married couple and/or kids still at home



The gender gap has tightened somewhat. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Obama leads among women by 9 percent (53 to 44) and trails among men by 6 percent (51 to 45). Romney’s support among men has slipped slightly, but his standing with women has improved.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Among married voters, Romney wins 55 percent to 41 percent. Obama wins single voters 67 percent to 28 percent. Among those no longer married — close to 20 percent of the sample — Obama wins 55 percent to 42 percent.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>More think the country’s headed in the right direction – 37 percent – than at any time since the spring of 2010. Only 57 percent believe the country’s on the wrong track. One year ago, 72 percent thought so.</span>

Eighty percent call themselves “extremely” likely to vote, up from 73 percent last month. Independents have driven this increase, as they tuned in after Labor Day.

“That’s normally what you get in the final days, usually the final weekend of the campaign,” Goeas said. “So we’re now looking at an extremely engaged electorate — whether you’re a Republican, Democrat or independent.”

“Turnout is not going to be as lopsided as it was in 2008,” he added. “It may or may not be as even as it was in 2004. But there’s a lot more to play out in this campaign, as opposed to saying the curtain is coming down in the first week of October.”

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The problem for Romney is that he’s now exhausted two of his three major opportunities to win over new voters. Picking Ryan has not discernibly shifted the dynamics of the race, and the GOP convention did not shift voter attitudes.</span>


The biggest remaining opportunity comes in the three debates, the first of which takes place Oct. 3 in Denver. About eight in 10 voters said they plan to watch all or some of the debates. More than half dismiss the debates as not at all or only a little important. Just one quarter say they will be extremely or very important.

Lake suggested Obama will have put the election away if he is running even with Romney on who is best for jobs and the economy in the poll POLITICO conducts after that Oct. 3 debate and the release of September jobs numbers two days later.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>The vice presidential debate on Oct. 11 will be most important for Ryan because more than one in five voters have still not formulated an opinion about him. He’s viewed favorably by 41 percent and unfavorably by 37 percent at this point. Vice President Joe Biden is narrowly underwater, with a 43 percent favorable rating and a 45 percent unfavorable.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Hostility toward Obama drives less of the enthusiasm for Romney than before. Last month, 52 percent said they supported Romney because they considered it a vote against Obama. Now it’s 42 percent. Nearly half of Romney supporters say they are voting for Romney as opposed to against Obama. This suggests that the Obama campaign’s efforts to make the election more a choice between two candidates than a referendum on the vulnerable president have succeeded to some degree.</span>


<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The rising Obama tide is lifting congressional Democrats, who now lead Republicans 47 percent to 45 percent on the generic congressional ballot. Republicans led by 3 points, 45 percent to 42 percent, in August.</span>Two-thirds of voters name pocketbook issues — the economy, jobs and government spending — as paramount.

Medicare and Social Security have been the focus of millions in advertising by both sides, but they have not grown as top concerns for voters. Democrats say Ryan’s budget plan would ruin Medicare. Republicans say Obama’s health care overhaul cut Medicare by $716 billion. Yet only 7 percent of voters say Medicare and Social Security are the most important issues, exactly the same as in the last poll before the Ryan pick. Among voters 65 and older, Romney leads 58 percent to 38 percent.

“The bottom line is seniors are overwhelmingly voting for Republicans by even bigger margins than we’ve seen in past years,” Goeas said.

The POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground poll, conducted by the Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners, surveyed 1,000 registered likely voters from Sept. 16 to Sept. 20 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.




<span style="color: #660000">Does any NON TROLL on this forum think this poll is good news for Mitt Romney?

Given the lead the president has in all but one battleground state?

If one does Not Cherry-pick, and takes out both the Democrat's quotes on the poll, AND the Republican's take on the poll, and looks only at the numbers, would any reasonable -person think this latest GWU poll is good news for Romney?

Surely, none of the Headlines suggest that about a
NY recent polling data!


Also, Recent polling data of the major economists in this country shows a vast majority who are sying that cutting spending at this time, is the WRONG thing to do!

I'm interested in any NON TROLL opinions on the article, since some TROLL here has chosen to twist and cherry-pick the polling data and suggested the news for Romney is better than the polling data seems to suggest?

Just saying!!!

G.

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LWW
09-24-2012, 04:22 PM
Back where te ir is thick, and the polls haven't been buggered, Obama trails in virtually every category:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... In our latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll with middle-class families, which comprise about 54 percent of the total American electorate and usually split in their vote behavior between Republicans and Democrats, Romney holds a 14-point advantage (55 percent to 41 percent) ...

These middle-class families also hold a majority disapproval rating on the job Obama is doing as president (45 percent approve, 54 percent disapprove), and turn even more negative toward Obama on specific areas; the economy 56 percent disapprove; spending 61 percent disapprove; taxes, 53 percent disapprove; Medicare 48 percent disapprove; and even foreign policy 50 percent disapprove.

All of this data make clear that Romney has won the strong support of middle-class families and is leading the president on an overwhelming majority of key measurements beyond just the ballot. In fact, when respondents were asked who, Obama or Romney, would best handle a variety of issues, Romney led on all but one including the economy (+9 percent), foreign policy (+3 percent), spending (+15 percent), taxes (+7 percent), Medicare (+2 percent), and jobs (+10 percent). ...

Romney continues to win Republicans (Romney by a net +87 percent) by the same margin Obama is winning with Democrats (Obama by a net +88 percent), and is still winning with independents (+2 percent). Romney has majority support with voters over the age of 45 (+7 percent), with men (+6 percent), with white women (+9 percent), and with married voters (+14 percent). In addition, Romney has solidified his base. Support among conservative voters exceeds 70 percent (73 percent), his support among very conservative voters exceeds 80 percent (83 percent), and his support among Republicans exceeds 90 percent (91 percent). Romney is also receiving a higher level of support among Hispanics (40 percent), which is driven by higher support from Hispanic men.
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Read it and weep.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81584.html#ixzz27QZZHVX3

Soflasnapper
09-24-2012, 04:47 PM
Nice catch.

Yes, sure-- Romney is ahead across the board.

Which accounts for the semi-suicidal criticism he's getting widely from the conservative talking heads, his own party, and etc.

No, wait-- that makes no sense.

Apparently, those professional consultants, television talking head conservatives, GOP candidates across the country distancing themselves from him, and etc., all fail to see what you claim is true. They seem to believe the polls Gayle mentions, even though your claim is that they are crap, and the ones you put forward are the real deal.

What's the theory on this disconnect? An elaborate ruse and trick they're running, only PRETENDING to fear and loathe the Romney campaign and what it's doing to the rest of the party's prospects, so as to... uh... do what again?

LWW
09-24-2012, 05:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice catch.

Yes, sure-- Romney is ahead across the board.

Which accounts for the semi-suicidal criticism he's getting widely from the conservative talking heads, his own party, and etc.

No, wait-- that makes no sense.

Apparently, those professional consultants, television talking head conservatives, GOP candidates across the country distancing themselves from him, and etc., all fail to see what you claim is true. They seem to believe the polls Gayle mentions, even though your claim is that they are crap, and the ones you put forward are the real deal.

What's the theory on this disconnect? An elaborate ruse and trick they're running, only PRETENDING to fear and loathe the Romney campaign and what it's doing to the rest of the party's prospects, so as to... uh... do what again? </div></div>

My God you are the dream tool for the regime.

Did you read the queens link? Of course you didn't. Had you clicked on it you would have found this:

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Veterans retreating from Barack Obama</span>

And, not that you had the intellectual integrity to do so, had you clicked on mine you would have found not only that the story I quoted was there ... but that it was from the same source as the faux story starting this thread.

In fact, had the thread not started the way it did ... I wouldn't have found the article I linked to.

Soflasnapper
09-24-2012, 06:14 PM
That 'Veterans Retreating from Obama' piece? What does it admit?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Even as Obama leads in Colorado, Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Mitt Romney is up by double digits among veterans in those states.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81616.html#ixzz27R4RETdK
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It would be astounding if Ritt Momney were not ahead in many demographic groups. He has to be, in some, since Obama is ahead in so many of his own, and this thing is relatively close still.

The question isn't this or that group so much as the net effect of all of them put together.

As Politico reports, in Florida, Colorado, Ohio and Virginia (i.e., swing states both men need to gain election), a double digit military personnel lead for Momney still finds Obama ahead in those four critical states.

Why not show just the white vote, and how far Momney is ahead, but realizing, all things being equal, he needs more than 60% of them, at Reagan second landslide election levels, to overcome Obama's strong lead among the non-white population?

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 06:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That 'Veterans Retreating from Obama' piece? What does it admit?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Even as Obama leads in Colorado, Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Mitt Romney is up by double digits among veterans in those states.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81616.html#ixzz27R4RETdK
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It would be astounding if Ritt Momney were not ahead in many demographic groups. He has to be, in some, since Obama is ahead in so many of his own, and this thing is relatively close still.

The question isn't this or that group so much as the net effect of all of them put together.

As Politico reports, in Florida, Colorado, Ohio and Virginia (i.e., swing states both men need to gain election), a double digit military personnel lead for Momney still finds Obama ahead in those four critical states.

Why not show just the white vote, and how far Momney is ahead, but realizing, all things being equal, he needs more than 60% of them, at Reagan second landslide election levels, to overcome Obama's strong lead among the non-white population?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last week Senate Republicans decided to give the middle finger to veterans by using a procedural vote to kill the Veterans Jobs Corp Act, 58-40.

The unemployment rate for Iraq, Afghanistan and Gulf War II-era Veterans is now nearly 11 percent, but Republicans blocked this bill because they don't want anything that could remotely help anyone to happen under President Obama's watch. That, and they don't really care about veterans, much like Mitt Romney, who explained that he didn't mention the men and women fighting in Afghanistan during his speech at the Republican National Convention because "when you give a speech you don't go through a laundry list, you talk about the things you think are important."

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Give it a week. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

BTW, have you seen today's polls?

OMG! They are GREAT!

In fact, even wider margins are out today, in swing states, and for Democratic candidates, as well! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

G.

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 07:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice catch.

Yes, sure-- Romney is ahead across the board.

Which accounts for the semi-suicidal criticism he's getting widely from the conservative talking heads, his own party, and etc.

No, wait-- that makes no sense.

Apparently, those professional consultants, television talking head conservatives, GOP candidates across the country distancing themselves from him, and etc., all fail to see what you claim is true. They seem to believe the polls Gayle mentions, even though your claim is that they are crap, and the ones you put forward are the real deal.

What's the theory on this disconnect? An elaborate ruse and trick they're running, only PRETENDING to fear and loathe the Romney campaign and what it's doing to the rest of the party's prospects, so as to... uh... do what again? </div></div>

My God you are the dream tool for the regime.

Did you read the queens link? Of course you didn't. Had you clicked on it you would have found this:

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Veterans retreating from Barack Obama</span>

And, not that you had the intellectual integrity to do so, had you clicked on mine you would have found not only that the story I quoted was there ... but that it was from the same source as the faux story starting this thread.

In fact, had the thread not started the way it did ... I wouldn't have found the article I linked to. </div></div>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>Gayle and LWW, we all now completely understand that you two don't like each other. No real need to keep belaboring the point.

My suggestion now is to ignore each other.

Any posts from either of you pointing at the other one will result in an immediate (and very long) ban.

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