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Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 09:14 AM
Nathan Lean is the author of The Islamophobia Industry: How the Right Manufactures Fear of Muslims (Pluto Press, $17.00)

Muslims are everywhere. They're hiding out in schools, churches, and Washington's halls of power (not to mention in our closets and beneath our beds), waiting for the next opportunity to jump out and wreak havoc on the Land of the Free.

At least that's the narrative being spun by the Islamophobia industry, a shadowy network of right-wing hucksters who, for the better part of the past 11 years, have drummed up such ludicrous fears and exploited sensible anxieties over terrorism by equating the detestable actions of a fraction with the larger non-violent majority.

Islamophobia is a dangerous and metastasizing social cancer. Mosque burnings, racist bus advertisements, Congressional witch-hunts, and a string of attacks (including recent acid bombs and shootings in Chicago) directed at followers of the Islamic faith are among the nasty effects of this discourse of hate that is ripping apart the pluralistic fabric of America.

These public paroxysms are unquestionably the stuff of the political right. Polls show that. A new survey conducted by the Arab American Institute reveals that 57% of Republican voters view Muslims unfavorably, compared to just 23 percent of Democrats.

Similarly, the Brookings Institute reported last year that two-thirds of Republicans, Tea Partiers, and Fox News viewers think Islam is incompatible with American values. And, in July of this year, Pew Research reported that 1 in 3 Republicans still believe that President Obama is a Muslim, an untruth that is endlessly bandied about as if being a Muslim was a bad thing.

It's no wonder, then, that GOP convention-goers adopted a plank to their platform supporting a ban on Sharia law, an Islamic legal code that sends many conservatives into fits of hyperventilation as they claim it's infiltrating the U.S. Nor is it a surprise either that opportunist politicians like Michele Bachmann would play to such obvious political fodder and fear monger about the Muslim Brotherhood and other boogeymen that spur boisterous reactions from the right.

The same people who brought us "terror babies," "death panels," the "Ground Zero Mosque," "Islamo-fascism," "the Axis of Evil" and other dime-a-dozen memes that turn viral overnight, are purposefully manufacturing fear of Muslims.

Here's a look at eleven dirty lies they are spreading:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-lean/11-lies-about-muslims_b_1891078.html#slide=1533081


<span style="color: #990000"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>I hope that the "Right's" Islamophobic on our forum will go to the link above and go through each of these statistical analytic FACTS abut Muslims, so that they can assuage their foolish fears, and get some facts about American Muslims and Muslims around the world, instead of sucking up all of the lies that are being spread around about Muslims by Republicans, and some of the Christian FOOLS in the south.</span>. </span>

cushioncrawler
09-24-2012, 04:12 PM
Islam iz a murderous cult. It shood be banned. It aint kompatible with western values.

If Aliens took over the earth then things wouldnt be az bad kompared to Islam taking over, koz Aliens need humans, Islam dont need no infidels.
mac.

Female Aliens dont havta wear burkas. Are there any female -- well praps just one, the Queen Alien, plus sigorny III.

What % of muslims think or akt radically or fundamentally. I am thinking praps 55% in some countrys, eg in Hateistan. That would make the nonradicals the minoryty.

cushioncrawler
09-24-2012, 04:42 PM
PHOBIA -- An abnormal or irrational fear or dread.

So, if it iz a rational fear or dread then it iz not a phobia.
And, if it iz an irrational fear or dread then it aint a phobia if that phobia iz suffered/enjoyed by the majority.

Do muslims hav a phobia koz they want to kill infidels. Probly not. They do want to kill, but not koz of dread, its koz its in their quran.

For sure muslims hate infidels, even tho the quran duznt say to hate (i think), only to kill, but hate aint dread.

This iz all going one way. Muslims dont hav phobias, but i do.

A QUESTION. If the GOP hav a heap of irrational fears of islam, duzz that mean that the GOP hav phobias here. What i meen iz, lets say that there are lots of rational reasons to fear islam, but the GOP are not aware of the rational reasons, the GOP only know of irrational reasons, are then the GOP islamaphobic.

Praps its a bit like the guy who allways thort that he woz being followed, and it turns out that he woz being followed.

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 07:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Islam iz a murderous cult. It shood be banned. It aint kompatible with western values.

If Aliens took over the earth then things wouldnt be az bad kompared to Islam taking over, koz Aliens need humans, Islam dont need no infidels.
mac.

Female Aliens dont havta wear burkas. Are there any female -- well praps just one, the Queen Alien, plus sigorny III.

What % of muslims think or akt radically or fundamentally. I am thinking praps 55% in some countrys, eg in Hateistan. That would make the nonradicals the minoryty. </div></div>

Did you go to the link, Mac?

Did you read each of the FACTS about Muslims?

Do you know that right now in Lybia, and around other of our Embassies, crowds of Muslims are standing against the radicals, Joining arms and circling our people to protect them?

Read the series of the ten biggest lies about Muslims.

Just hold your cursor at the center of the side of each picture and click on the arrow that appears, you can do it, I know you can.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

G.

Gayle in MD
09-24-2012, 07:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PHOBIA -- An abnormal or irrational fear or dread.

So, if it iz a rational fear or dread then it iz not a phobia.
And, if it iz an irrational fear or dread then it aint a phobia if that phobia iz suffered/enjoyed by the majority.

Do muslims hav a phobia koz they want to kill infidels. Probly not. They do want to kill, but not koz of dread, its koz its in their quran.

For sure muslims hate infidels, even tho the quran duznt say to hate (i think), only to kill, but hate aint dread.

This iz all going one way. Muslims dont hav phobias, but i do.

A QUESTION. If the GOP hav a heap of irrational fears of islam, duzz that mean that the GOP hav phobias here. What i meen iz, lets say that there are lots of rational reasons to fear islam, but the GOP are not aware of the rational reasons, the GOP only know of irrational reasons, are then the GOP islamaphobic.

Praps its a bit like the guy who allways thort that he woz being followed, and it turns out that he woz being followed. </div></div>

A phobia is all about what is going on inside the mind of the person who has the phobia.

Nothing at all to do with rational thinking, or with the object of the phobia.

A fear is not the same thing as a phobia. Phobic disorders are irrational, anxiety disorders. They are a form of neurosis.

G.

G.

eg8r
09-24-2012, 08:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How The Right Manufactures Fear Of Muslims </div></div>LOL, kind of like Obama telling us the attacks in Libya were because of a video that was posted yet that was never the truth? That kind of manufacturing?

I don't think you remember very clearly but it was a group of Muslims who flew the planes into the WTC, Pentagon and fields. It has been Muslims who have attacked all our embassies and people overseas for the past 11 years. The Right doesn't have to manufacture anything, the muslims out killing Americans does enough on its own.

eg8r

eg8r
09-24-2012, 08:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know that right now in Lybia, and around other of our Embassies, crowds of Muslims are standing against the radicals,</div></div>LOL, this is exactly how the left try to pull the blinds over the uneducated's eyes. Let me restate your words without changing the meaning at all and call a spade a spade...

Do you know that right now in Lybia, and around other of our Embassies, crowds of Muslims are standing against the MUSLIMS,

Now we have removed the politically correct BS. What I find depressing is that when a child is raped in a Catholic church you blame ALL Christianity and put them all in the same pot. However when talking about muslims and the terror they create you separate muslims and "radicals". Quite depressing for sure.

eg8r

Qtec
09-25-2012, 12:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>Islam iz a murderous cult. It shood be banned. It aint kompatible with western values. </u>

If Aliens took over the earth then things wouldnt be az bad kompared to Islam taking over, koz Aliens need humans, Islam dont need no infidels.
mac.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eighty-one percent of Muslim Americans support a future in which Israel and Palestine <u>coexist alongside one another peacefully</u> </div></div>

Q

Qtec
09-25-2012, 12:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know that right now in Lybia, and around other of our Embassies, crowds of Muslims are standing against the <s>MUSLIMS</s>, EXTREMISTS.


</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 22 September 2012 Last updated at 06:56 GMT Help

Crowds of Libyans have clashed with militia fighters in the city of Benghazi, following a big demonstration by residents against the power of unofficial armed groups.

At least four people were killed and almost 40 wounded. Gunmen opened fire on demonstrators at the headquarters of one militia.

Protesters stormed the base of another group that was allegedly involved in the death of the US ambassador last week. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Libyan army removes heads of Benghazi militias.

Islamist militants have denied being behind the attack, but the killing of the respected envoy sparked widespread fury among Benghazi residents.

The Islamist Ansar al-Sharia group was driven out of its headquarters in Benghazi over the weekend in unrest which left at least 11 people dead.

Meanwhile two militant groups based in the Islamist stronghold of Derna - a port city to the east of Benghazi - disbanded on Sunday.

Libya's interim leaders have taken advantage of the wave of popular sentiment in order to bring the unauthorised groups under control, analysts say.

The government has relied on some brigades to help provide security in post-Gaddafi Libya, analysts say, and many will be watching to see how the authorities undertake the mammoth task of gaining full military control over the country.

"[We want to] dissolve all militias and military camps which are not under the control of the state," Mr Magarief - the parliamentary speaker who acts as head of state until elections next year - said on Sunday.

"We call on everyone to stop using violence and carrying weapons in the streets and squares and public places." </div></div>

Q

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 01:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....Read the series of the ten biggest lies about Muslims......</div></div>Gayle -- i looked at thems 11. If the stats are true then it iz a bit comforting.

However, england and ozz must be different to theusofa.

In ozz muslim 4yr olds hold placards calling for beheading anyone who insults muhamad. Koodnt happen in theusofa.

In england muslims born in england and with english accents die in england by blowing up english. Koodnt happen in theusofa.

In ozz and england muslim clerics go red in the face about infidels. Not so much nowadays to be sure, koz its illegal, and i giv u my personal guarantee that they dont do it in secret. And of course it koodnt happen in theusofa.

And none of that iz much related to Hateistan. What are the stats in Hateistan.
mac.

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 03:54 AM
Saudi Arabia's Export Of Radical Islam, Part 1
by Adrian Morgan 16 Jan, 2007

Saudi Arabia's Export Of Radical Islam [ Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 ]
Over the last week, several items in the world news have highlighted the problem of Saudi Arabia, a supposed ally in the War on Terror, funding mosques which promote the same extremism and calls for jihad which create terror. There is a certain hypocrisy about the Saudis exporting any form of Islam abroad, as the undemocratic kingdom prohibits any symbols of other faiths from being imported. Crucifixes, Bibles are forbidden. Guest workers proliferate in the kingdom, but if any attempt to hold Christian prayer and worship, they are jailed.

Saudi Arabia is listed by the US Commission on International Religious Freedom as one of the "countries of particular concern", for its violations. Under the terms of the 1998 International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA), Saudi Arabia is placed on a watch list by the US State Department. In September 2005, Eritrea became the first nation to be given sanctions under the terms of the IRFA yet Saudi Arabia, whose repression equals Eritrea, was given a 180 day "waiver", to allow it time for "continuation of discussions leading to progress on important religious freedom issues."

Even for Muslims in Saudi Arabia, strict Wahhabism denies people basic rights. A Salafist doctrine, it was originated in 1744 by Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703-1792), who used violent enforcers called muttawa, mutawi or mutawi'oon to ensure obedience. Nowadays these muttawa, or religious policemen, enact the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice. The muttawa are draconian, causing 15 schoolgirls to die on Monday, March 11, 2002 when a fire broke out at a girl's school dormitory. Several girls tried to escape the burning building, but were met by members of the muttawa, who found the girls not dressed in appropriate attire. They beat the girls to send them back into the flames. The muttawa also prevented fireman from approaching to deal with the conflagration

The muttawa's powers were slightly reduced in May 2006, but their repression continues. On June 6, 2006 a 70-year old Saudi woman was placed in jail because she went into a shop where only a male shopkeeper was present. The elderly and disabled woman was arrested by muttawa because she had been "in close proximity to a man" (“khalwat”).

The muttawa are involved in destroying national monuments which had survived since the time of Mohammed, lest they become places of pilgrimage. In 1998, the grave of Amina bint Wahb (Mohammed’s mother) was destroyed. The house of Khadija, Mohammed's first wife, has been replaced with lavatories. Only 20 structures from the time of Islam's prophet now remain. (picture).

Saudi Wahabbism evolved with the expansionist ambitions of the al-Saud tribe, who now comprise the Saudi "Royal" family, and hold all the important positions in the so-called government. Were in not for Saudi oil reserves, the kingdom would be written off as a tin-pot dictatorship of the worst order. Yet this repressive apology for a nation, where the victim of a gang-rape was subjected to a punishment of 90 lashes in November 2006, exports its backwards ideology throughout the world.

In southern Adelaide, Australia, construction of Park Holme mosque halted this month, because the foreign minister, Alexander Downer ordered that the Saudi government should not be funding the building. The mosque had been a haunt of immigrant Warya Kanie, who was captured in Iraq last year, fighting against the coalition.

Downer said: "There has been concern internationally, not specifically to Australia, about some elements in Saudi Arabia which is the heartland of Wahhabism and Sufism... trying to spread that particular extremist interpretation of Islam. Historically the Saudi Arabian Government has provided funding (to overseas mosques), I'm not saying there's anything illegitimate about that... but we can obviously express a view to the Saudi Arabian government."

Downer appears to confuse Sufism, an apolitical form of Islam with Salafism, a rigid and orthodox expression of the faith.

This month, the government in Italy announced that it would be introducing monitoring of foreign donations to Islamic schools and mosques. Giuliana Amato, the interior minister said he had little control over money entering the country, particularly from foreign governments. He said: "There's something I don't like about it. In the future, I want to understand who is financing what."

In 2005 the Saudi royal family approved plans to construct 4,500 Islamic seminaries or madrassas in India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. The cost of this operation is an estimated $35 million. The aim of these madrassas is to promote "modern and liberal education with Islamic values".

An examination of Saudi Arabia's "modern and liberal" education was published in Spring, 2006 by Freedom House, entitled Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance. This report analyzed textbooks in Saudi schools which maintained that "Jews and the Christians are enemies of the believer'' and that the "clash between the two realms is perpetual". Students were told not to greet, befriend, imitate or respect unbelievers. Spreading Islam through jihad was said to be a "religious duty". These textbooks are employed in the education of 5 million children in 25,000 schools in Saudi Arabia, and at hundreds of schools abroad.

Earlier, another report was published by Freedom House in the winter of 2004-5, entitled "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques". Volunteer researchers were sent to 15 US mosques, and gathered more than 200 books and publications. The majority of these tracts were written in Arabic. These told worshippers to reject Christianity, as "churches are houses of God and that God is worshiped therein is an infidel."

The publications also told people to hate their non-Muslim servants, demanded that women be shrouded in veils, and forbade Muslims from being employed in the service of an unbeliever. The mosques where such materials were gathered were in California, Illinois, Virginia, Texas, and Washington DC.

A report by terror analyst Jean-Charles Brisard, compiled for the UN Security Council in December 2002, stated that between 1992 and 2002, al-Qaeda received between $300 million and $500 million from Saudi businessmen and banks. This represented 20% of Saudi GNP.

According to Brisard, Abdullah Bin Abul Moshin al Turki, the secretary general of the Muslim World League (founded in Mecca in 1962), entered into business negotiations in Spain with Muhammad Zouaydi in 1999. Zouaydi was al-Qaida's main fundraiser in Europe. Abdullah al Turki was an adviser to the late King Fahd. In November 2003, Turki was awarded a prize by King Abdullah for his missionary work.

The Saudis have long encouraged almsgiving, or zakat, but even when these charity donations helped to fund terror, they seemed unwilling to take responsibility. In November 2002, Prince Salman, governor of Riyadh Province and brother of King Fahd, said: "If beneficiaries had used assistance for evil acts, that is not our responsibility at all."

Such attitudes have only helped to fog the issues of Saudi funding and influence in relation to extremism and terrorism. On December 22, 2003 a letter from the Senate Finance Committee was sent to the IRS, requesting information on 25 organizations operating on US soil, which were suspected of funding terrorism.

Among these were two Saudi-based charities, Al Haramain and the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO). The latter charity's funds were strictly controlled by Prince Salman, who in 2002 claimed not to care about the ultimate destinations of zakat. Documents recovered in Palestinian territories in 2002-3 under Israel's Operation Defensive Shield found that $280,000 had been sent by IIRO to charities run by the terrorist group Hamas. Prince Sultan, Saudi's defense minister, is a major contributor to IIRO funding.

The US Treasury has designated international branches of Al-Haramain and IIRO. Philippines IIRO (headed by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law) and Indonesia IIRO were designated on August 3, 2006, but perhaps for diplomatic reasons, the Saudi branches have not been designated. IIRO has links with the Muslim World League. In December 2005, the head of the Virginia branch of MWL, Abdullah Alnoshan was deported. He had been arrested in July by immigration and FBI officials from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, accused of utilizing fake employment documents.

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005, US Treasury undersecretary Stuart Levey claimed that rich Saudi individuals were a "significant source" of global Islamist terror funding. Levey told a Senate committee hearing on terror financing that the Muslim World League and other Saudi charities "continue to cause us concern". The claims were denied by the secretary general of the Muslim World League. Dr. Abdullah Al-Turki has frequently condemned terrorism, but the MWL has a strong Wahhabist agenda.

According to the Jamestown Foundation, the MWL spreads "radical and vehemently anti-American" propaganda, and also has an agenda specifically targeting Europe. The Saudis began a policy of globally disseminating their brand of Sunni Islam during the 1980s, as a reaction to the Iranian (Shia) revolution. According to former CIA director R. James Woolsey, the Saudis have spent nearly $90 billion spreading their ideology around the globe since the 1970s.

One individual who was religiously educated for several years in Saudi Arabia was Abdullah al-Faisal. Faisal arrived in Britain in 1991, sponsored by Saudi religious authorities. For 12 years he preached up and down the country, preaching at mosques and Islamic centers. During this time he never did a day's honest work, and claimed welfare benefits. The costs of his extensive travel around Britain would not have been covered by state benefits alone. A friend of Abu Hamza, the hook-handed Islamist who preached war against Jews and infidels, Faisal's sermons were no less inflammatory.

Faisal was born in Jamaica as Trevor William Forest, to devout Christian parents. He had left Jamaica aged 16, gone to South America and finally arrived in Saudi Arabia. He studied Islam at university in Riyadh. On he was finally jailed on charges of "soliciting murder" and "racial incitement". These were the same charges with which Hamza was convicted on February 7, 2006. Outside the Old Bailey courtroom where he was convicted, Muslims denounced the sentence of nine years imposed upon Faisal. This sentence was later reduced to seven years.

Bizarrely, setting an uncomfortable precedent in British law, no Jews or Hindus were allowed to serve as jury members. It was also revealed that during the trial of the officially "poor" cleric, the judge, Peter Beaumont, had received a letter from Scotland, offering a £50,000 ($98,000) bribe.

Faisal's sermons took the Saudi Wahhabist ideology to extremes. The materials which appear shocking in Saudi textbooks and mosque guidebooks seem tame, compared to Faisal's utterances. He taught mothers not to bring up their sons as "wimps", but to prime for jihad by buying them toy guns and weaponry.

He claimed that it was acceptable for Muslims to kill Jews, Hindus or Americans. These are a few of his statements:

• "You all have to strike against America anywhere in the world you are. Is that clear? You have to learn how to shoot, to fly planes, to drive tanks and you have to learn how to load your guns and to use missiles."

• “You can use chemical weapons to exterminate the non-believer. If you have cockroaches in your house you can spray them, yes with chemicals, chemicals. Who has more dignity, the cockroach or the unbeliever? If you spray the cockroach, spray the Hindu."

• “Liberty can never be achieved by democracy. The way forward can never be the ballot; the way forward is the bullet. Islam was spread by the sword, today it has got to be spread by the Kalashnikov."

• "When you have a legitimate target you strike at it. If women and children die they are collateral damage"

• “Christians and Jews will never accept you until you follow their evil and corrupted way of life.”

One statement he made ominously suggested that the Saudi royal family sponsored terror. He said: "Do you, like many, cry because you are poor? If so, wage jihad! Look at all the money stashed away in Swiss banks. There's bank in Brunei where King Fahd has deposited 30 million dollars. If you are suffering from poverty, wage jihad and see the money pour into your hands."

Faisal said that Princess Diana and Prince Philip would be "tossed into the hellfire to abide forever". He claimed that British law was "put together by the henchmen of Satan, people who are gays and devil worshippers." He even suggested that power stations should be fueled with the bodies of slaughtered Hindus.

After Faisal's conviction, his veiled Pakistani-born wife Zubaida tried to justify her husband's statements. She said: "When he said, 'If you see a Hindu walking down the road you are allowed to kill him and take his money', he was talking about a war-like situation such as the problems between Muslims and Hindus in Kashmir." She continued: "When he said, 'How wonderful it is to kill a kaffir, he was quoting from holy scriptures. He is a man of God, a good father, and a very good husband. If he were a terrorist, he would not have chosen to speak in public."

Though he may not have been a terrorist, Faisal's preachings were disseminated on audio cassettes and DVDs and his sermons were, like thoseof Abu Hamza, heard by people who went on to commit terror. He was also a friend of James Ujaama. Jermaine Lindsay, one of the 7/7 bombers, had a collection of Faisal's tapes at his home, which were found after he blew himself up. The leader of the four-man cell which killed 52 people on London Transport was Mohammed Sidique Khan.

Khan, and also Shehzad Tanweer, another 7/7 bomber, had worshipped at the Al-Madina Masjid mosque in Tunstall Road, Beeston. Abdullah al-Faisal had preached at this mosque, and Khan had been in attendance. The senior imam at this mosque, Hamid Ali, has called the four bombers Faisal's "children". The imam recalled that when Abdullah al-Faisal preached, Mohammed Sidique Khan asked him several questions.

Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorism unit, said after Faisal's conviction: "We will never know how many of those young, impressionable people whom El-Faisal spoke to then went abroad to areas of conflict or training camps and have never returned. We have very good grounds for believing that some people actually did go abroad as a result of listening to him."

Whether Faisal continued to be funded by Saudi Arabia after he was paid to journey to Britain is unknown. But it is plain that it was in Saudi Arabia, exposed to the Wahhabist doctrines taught at the Imam Ibn Saud University in Riyadh, that Faisal became radicalized.

LWW
09-25-2012, 04:55 AM
You should really read the list of lies in the article ... it's textbook examples of spoon-feeding the dembots the version of "TRUTH" the party wishes them to "BELIEVE" today.

Qtec
09-25-2012, 04:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> In ozz muslim 4yr olds hold placards calling for beheading anyone who insults muhamad. Koodnt happen in theusofa.</div></div>

Do you think a 4 yr old knows what they are protesting about? They probably can't even read the placard!!!!!!!!!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Rapture is coming, says Pastor Fred Phelps, and the country is drowning in the sin of homosexuality. For 55 years, Phelps has led the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, which gained notoriety in recent years for <u>picketing the funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq and Afghanistan.</u>

The pastor and his congregation stand outside the cemeteries, singing about the downfall of America, lifting signs that read "God Hates Fags," "Fags Die, God Laughs," <u>"AIDS Cures Fags," "Fag Sin = 9</u>/11," "Thank God for 9/11" and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." </div></div>

These are adults.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- <span style='font-size: 26pt'>God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.</span></div></div>

You can't complain about what happens when its 'what we deserve".

Q

Qtec
09-25-2012, 05:33 AM
How many Muslims do you come into contact with on a daily basis?


My guess is none.

Q

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 05:51 AM
On a daily basis i think zero. But its hard to know.
Some peeple i hav kontakt with might be or are arab, and probly muslim, but kontakt might be once per year.
The lady doc treating my stepdaughter in hospital this week woz dressed like a muslim woman, and must hav been muslim.
mac.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search
Islam in Australia is a minority religious group. According to the 2011 census, 476,300 people, or 2.25%[1] of the total Australian population were Muslims. This made Islam the fourth largest religious grouping, after all forms of Christianity (64%), no religion (22.9%) and Buddhism (2.5%). Demographers attribute Muslim community growth trends during the most recent census period to relatively high birth rates, and recent immigration patterns. [2] [3]

While the Australian Muslim community is defined largely by religious belonging, the Muslim community is fragmented further by being the most racially, ethnically, culturally and linguistically diverse religious grouping in Australia, with members from every ethnic and racial background, including Anglo-Celtic Australian Muslims. Members of the Australian Muslim community thus also espouse parallel non-religious ethnic identities with related non-Muslim counterparts, either within Australia or abroad.

Wahhabi influence
Wahhabi influence in Australia is reported to expand. Saudi Arabia is estimated to spent $120 million on religious works in Australia beginning in 1970's. In March 2007, it was announced that Saudis were planning a $2.7 billion scholarship fund for Australian universities, organised to make the entry of Saudi students into Australia easier to receive tertiary education due to restrictions on their entry into the US and UK in the post-9/11 security environment. In 2007, it was estimated that nearly 20 imams in Australia were paid by Saudi Arabia, including Sheik Mohammed Swaiti, the most eminent Muslim cleric in Canberra and spiritual leader of the Abu Bakr mosque since 1994.[40]

Population statisticsThe following is a breakdown of the country of origin of Muslims in Australia from 2001:[20]

Australia: 36%
Lebanon: 10%
Turkey: 8.5%
Bosnia-Herzegovina: 4.0%
Afghanistan: 3.5%
Pakistan: 3.2%
Indonesia: 2.9%
Iraq: 2.8%
Bangladesh: 2.7%
Iran: 2.3%
Fiji: 2.0%

Qtec
09-25-2012, 06:05 AM
How many Christians do you meet on a daily basis?

Do they all insist on ,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For cursing or blaspheming

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.</span> Leviticus 24:16

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy </span>22:23-24 </div></div>

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Q

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 06:36 AM
Yes jew christian muslim etc -- all are murderous cults in canon or in praktis etc in some degree.
The main difference tween them iz 150 years.

Thats why i sayd that jews christians muslims shood tick a questionnaire of say 200 questions to properly identyfy what they really iz or iznt.
I mean apart from being mentally ill, or stupid or liars, which we allready know -- they dont havta tick thems boxes.

Thats why i say, what % of muslims beleev what.
And thats why i say, 100% beleev 100%, koz if they dont beleev 100% then they aint a muslim, they are something else.
mac.

Qtec
09-25-2012, 06:59 AM
Just because 100% of RW Christians think homosexuality is an abomination, it doesn't mean to say they would agree with Homosexuals being stoned!

Only the very few radical extremists would be for that.

Q

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 07:06 AM
If u dont beleev every word in The Holey Bible then u aint a christian, u are something else.
If u dont beleev every word in the quran then u aint a muslim.
In fakt that inkloods sharia, many peeple dont realize that sharia iz not separat to the quran, it iz part. Likewiz edicts by the bigbossman hav equal rank with the quran (but this might depend on which islam sect u follow).
mac.

eg8r
09-25-2012, 08:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know that right now in Lybia, and around other of our Embassies, crowds of Muslims are standing against the MUSLIMS, EXTREMISTS.</div></div>There you go with the political BS. The extremists are MUSLIMS. gaylio saying radicals, you saying extremists yet both of you are referring to MUSLIMS.

eg8r

LWW
09-25-2012, 09:22 AM
Don't you realize that Bush, Palin, McCain, Ryan, R-Money, Reagan, Gingrich, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are the real terrorists.

The dhimmis amongst us believe so.

Gayle in MD
09-25-2012, 09:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saudi Arabia's Export Of Radical Islam, Part 1
by Adrian Morgan 16 Jan, 2007

Saudi Arabia's Export Of Radical Islam [ Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 ]
Over the last week, several items in the world news have highlighted the problem of Saudi Arabia, a supposed ally in the War on Terror, funding mosques which promote the same extremism and calls for jihad which create terror. There is a certain hypocrisy about the Saudis exporting any form of Islam abroad, as the undemocratic kingdom prohibits any symbols of other faiths from being imported. Crucifixes, Bibles are forbidden. Guest workers proliferate in the kingdom, but if any attempt to hold Christian prayer and worship, they are jailed.

Saudi Arabia is listed by the US Commission on International Religious Freedom as one of the "countries of particular concern", for its violations. Under the terms of the 1998 International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA), Saudi Arabia is placed on a watch list by the US State Department. In September 2005, Eritrea became the first nation to be given sanctions under the terms of the IRFA yet Saudi Arabia, whose repression equals Eritrea, was given a 180 day "waiver", to allow it time for "continuation of discussions leading to progress on important religious freedom issues."

Even for Muslims in Saudi Arabia, strict Wahhabism denies people basic rights. A Salafist doctrine, it was originated in 1744 by Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703-1792), who used violent enforcers called muttawa, mutawi or mutawi'oon to ensure obedience. Nowadays these muttawa, or religious policemen, enact the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice. The muttawa are draconian, causing 15 schoolgirls to die on Monday, March 11, 2002 when a fire broke out at a girl's school dormitory. Several girls tried to escape the burning building, but were met by members of the muttawa, who found the girls not dressed in appropriate attire. They beat the girls to send them back into the flames. The muttawa also prevented fireman from approaching to deal with the conflagration

The muttawa's powers were slightly reduced in May 2006, but their repression continues. On June 6, 2006 a 70-year old Saudi woman was placed in jail because she went into a shop where only a male shopkeeper was present. The elderly and disabled woman was arrested by muttawa because she had been "in close proximity to a man" (“khalwat”).

The muttawa are involved in destroying national monuments which had survived since the time of Mohammed, lest they become places of pilgrimage. In 1998, the grave of Amina bint Wahb (Mohammed’s mother) was destroyed. The house of Khadija, Mohammed's first wife, has been replaced with lavatories. Only 20 structures from the time of Islam's prophet now remain. (picture).

Saudi Wahabbism evolved with the expansionist ambitions of the al-Saud tribe, who now comprise the Saudi "Royal" family, and hold all the important positions in the so-called government. Were in not for Saudi oil reserves, the kingdom would be written off as a tin-pot dictatorship of the worst order. Yet this repressive apology for a nation, where the victim of a gang-rape was subjected to a punishment of 90 lashes in November 2006, exports its backwards ideology throughout the world.

In southern Adelaide, Australia, construction of Park Holme mosque halted this month, because the foreign minister, Alexander Downer ordered that the Saudi government should not be funding the building. The mosque had been a haunt of immigrant Warya Kanie, who was captured in Iraq last year, fighting against the coalition.

Downer said: "There has been concern internationally, not specifically to Australia, about some elements in Saudi Arabia which is the heartland of Wahhabism and Sufism... trying to spread that particular extremist interpretation of Islam. Historically the Saudi Arabian Government has provided funding (to overseas mosques), I'm not saying there's anything illegitimate about that... but we can obviously express a view to the Saudi Arabian government."

Downer appears to confuse Sufism, an apolitical form of Islam with Salafism, a rigid and orthodox expression of the faith.

This month, the government in Italy announced that it would be introducing monitoring of foreign donations to Islamic schools and mosques. Giuliana Amato, the interior minister said he had little control over money entering the country, particularly from foreign governments. He said: "There's something I don't like about it. In the future, I want to understand who is financing what."

In 2005 the Saudi royal family approved plans to construct 4,500 Islamic seminaries or madrassas in India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. The cost of this operation is an estimated $35 million. The aim of these madrassas is to promote "modern and liberal education with Islamic values".

An examination of Saudi Arabia's "modern and liberal" education was published in Spring, 2006 by Freedom House, entitled Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance. This report analyzed textbooks in Saudi schools which maintained that "Jews and the Christians are enemies of the believer'' and that the "clash between the two realms is perpetual". Students were told not to greet, befriend, imitate or respect unbelievers. Spreading Islam through jihad was said to be a "religious duty". These textbooks are employed in the education of 5 million children in 25,000 schools in Saudi Arabia, and at hundreds of schools abroad.

Earlier, another report was published by Freedom House in the winter of 2004-5, entitled "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques". Volunteer researchers were sent to 15 US mosques, and gathered more than 200 books and publications. The majority of these tracts were written in Arabic. These told worshippers to reject Christianity, as "churches are houses of God and that God is worshiped therein is an infidel."

The publications also told people to hate their non-Muslim servants, demanded that women be shrouded in veils, and forbade Muslims from being employed in the service of an unbeliever. The mosques where such materials were gathered were in California, Illinois, Virginia, Texas, and Washington DC.

A report by terror analyst Jean-Charles Brisard, compiled for the UN Security Council in December 2002, stated that between 1992 and 2002, al-Qaeda received between $300 million and $500 million from Saudi businessmen and banks. This represented 20% of Saudi GNP.

According to Brisard, Abdullah Bin Abul Moshin al Turki, the secretary general of the Muslim World League (founded in Mecca in 1962), entered into business negotiations in Spain with Muhammad Zouaydi in 1999. Zouaydi was al-Qaida's main fundraiser in Europe. Abdullah al Turki was an adviser to the late King Fahd. In November 2003, Turki was awarded a prize by King Abdullah for his missionary work.

The Saudis have long encouraged almsgiving, or zakat, but even when these charity donations helped to fund terror, they seemed unwilling to take responsibility. In November 2002, Prince Salman, governor of Riyadh Province and brother of King Fahd, said: "If beneficiaries had used assistance for evil acts, that is not our responsibility at all."

Such attitudes have only helped to fog the issues of Saudi funding and influence in relation to extremism and terrorism. On December 22, 2003 a letter from the Senate Finance Committee was sent to the IRS, requesting information on 25 organizations operating on US soil, which were suspected of funding terrorism.

Among these were two Saudi-based charities, Al Haramain and the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO). The latter charity's funds were strictly controlled by Prince Salman, who in 2002 claimed not to care about the ultimate destinations of zakat. Documents recovered in Palestinian territories in 2002-3 under Israel's Operation Defensive Shield found that $280,000 had been sent by IIRO to charities run by the terrorist group Hamas. Prince Sultan, Saudi's defense minister, is a major contributor to IIRO funding.

The US Treasury has designated international branches of Al-Haramain and IIRO. Philippines IIRO (headed by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law) and Indonesia IIRO were designated on August 3, 2006, but perhaps for diplomatic reasons, the Saudi branches have not been designated. IIRO has links with the Muslim World League. In December 2005, the head of the Virginia branch of MWL, Abdullah Alnoshan was deported. He had been arrested in July by immigration and FBI officials from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, accused of utilizing fake employment documents.

On Wednesday, July 13, 2005, US Treasury undersecretary Stuart Levey claimed that rich Saudi individuals were a "significant source" of global Islamist terror funding. Levey told a Senate committee hearing on terror financing that the Muslim World League and other Saudi charities "continue to cause us concern". The claims were denied by the secretary general of the Muslim World League. Dr. Abdullah Al-Turki has frequently condemned terrorism, but the MWL has a strong Wahhabist agenda.

According to the Jamestown Foundation, the MWL spreads "radical and vehemently anti-American" propaganda, and also has an agenda specifically targeting Europe. The Saudis began a policy of globally disseminating their brand of Sunni Islam during the 1980s, as a reaction to the Iranian (Shia) revolution. According to former CIA director R. James Woolsey, the Saudis have spent nearly $90 billion spreading their ideology around the globe since the 1970s.

One individual who was religiously educated for several years in Saudi Arabia was Abdullah al-Faisal. Faisal arrived in Britain in 1991, sponsored by Saudi religious authorities. For 12 years he preached up and down the country, preaching at mosques and Islamic centers. During this time he never did a day's honest work, and claimed welfare benefits. The costs of his extensive travel around Britain would not have been covered by state benefits alone. A friend of Abu Hamza, the hook-handed Islamist who preached war against Jews and infidels, Faisal's sermons were no less inflammatory.

Faisal was born in Jamaica as Trevor William Forest, to devout Christian parents. He had left Jamaica aged 16, gone to South America and finally arrived in Saudi Arabia. He studied Islam at university in Riyadh. On he was finally jailed on charges of "soliciting murder" and "racial incitement". These were the same charges with which Hamza was convicted on February 7, 2006. Outside the Old Bailey courtroom where he was convicted, Muslims denounced the sentence of nine years imposed upon Faisal. This sentence was later reduced to seven years.

Bizarrely, setting an uncomfortable precedent in British law, no Jews or Hindus were allowed to serve as jury members. It was also revealed that during the trial of the officially "poor" cleric, the judge, Peter Beaumont, had received a letter from Scotland, offering a £50,000 ($98,000) bribe.

Faisal's sermons took the Saudi Wahhabist ideology to extremes. The materials which appear shocking in Saudi textbooks and mosque guidebooks seem tame, compared to Faisal's utterances. He taught mothers not to bring up their sons as "wimps", but to prime for jihad by buying them toy guns and weaponry.

He claimed that it was acceptable for Muslims to kill Jews, Hindus or Americans. These are a few of his statements:

• "You all have to strike against America anywhere in the world you are. Is that clear? You have to learn how to shoot, to fly planes, to drive tanks and you have to learn how to load your guns and to use missiles."

• “You can use chemical weapons to exterminate the non-believer. If you have cockroaches in your house you can spray them, yes with chemicals, chemicals. Who has more dignity, the cockroach or the unbeliever? If you spray the cockroach, spray the Hindu."

• “Liberty can never be achieved by democracy. The way forward can never be the ballot; the way forward is the bullet. Islam was spread by the sword, today it has got to be spread by the Kalashnikov."

• "When you have a legitimate target you strike at it. If women and children die they are collateral damage"

• “Christians and Jews will never accept you until you follow their evil and corrupted way of life.”

One statement he made ominously suggested that the Saudi royal family sponsored terror. He said: "Do you, like many, cry because you are poor? If so, wage jihad! Look at all the money stashed away in Swiss banks. There's bank in Brunei where King Fahd has deposited 30 million dollars. If you are suffering from poverty, wage jihad and see the money pour into your hands."

Faisal said that Princess Diana and Prince Philip would be "tossed into the hellfire to abide forever". He claimed that British law was "put together by the henchmen of Satan, people who are gays and devil worshippers." He even suggested that power stations should be fueled with the bodies of slaughtered Hindus.

After Faisal's conviction, his veiled Pakistani-born wife Zubaida tried to justify her husband's statements. She said: "When he said, 'If you see a Hindu walking down the road you are allowed to kill him and take his money', he was talking about a war-like situation such as the problems between Muslims and Hindus in Kashmir." She continued: "When he said, 'How wonderful it is to kill a kaffir, he was quoting from holy scriptures. He is a man of God, a good father, and a very good husband. If he were a terrorist, he would not have chosen to speak in public."

Though he may not have been a terrorist, Faisal's preachings were disseminated on audio cassettes and DVDs and his sermons were, like thoseof Abu Hamza, heard by people who went on to commit terror. He was also a friend of James Ujaama. Jermaine Lindsay, one of the 7/7 bombers, had a collection of Faisal's tapes at his home, which were found after he blew himself up. The leader of the four-man cell which killed 52 people on London Transport was Mohammed Sidique Khan.

Khan, and also Shehzad Tanweer, another 7/7 bomber, had worshipped at the Al-Madina Masjid mosque in Tunstall Road, Beeston. Abdullah al-Faisal had preached at this mosque, and Khan had been in attendance. The senior imam at this mosque, Hamid Ali, has called the four bombers Faisal's "children". The imam recalled that when Abdullah al-Faisal preached, Mohammed Sidique Khan asked him several questions.

Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's anti-terrorism unit, said after Faisal's conviction: "We will never know how many of those young, impressionable people whom El-Faisal spoke to then went abroad to areas of conflict or training camps and have never returned. We have very good grounds for believing that some people actually did go abroad as a result of listening to him."

Whether Faisal continued to be funded by Saudi Arabia after he was paid to journey to Britain is unknown. But it is plain that it was in Saudi Arabia, exposed to the Wahhabist doctrines taught at the Imam Ibn Saud University in Riyadh, that Faisal became radicalized. </div></div>

The Saudi royal family are faux friends of America, always have been and they have been protected from the scrutiny of the American population, by the Bush family for decades.... they, along with Bush, Palin, McCain, Ryan, Romney, Reagan, Gingrich, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice are also the real terrorists. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


The fact is that there are people all over this world who do not support the policies of their leaders, nor the policies of their radical religious leaders.

The PEOPLE, do not have the power that their wealthy leaders have, not here and not anywhere.

Hence, it is totally ignorant to assume that Muslims by and large, are any more supportive of their leaders and corrupt policies of those in power, or support all of the radical ideas of some religious radicals among them, an more than Americans are supportive of any of those same radicals among us here...

This is where I take huge issue with your statements, Mac, as much as you havve a right to your opinions, IMO, you can't blame all Muslims for the actions of a very, very few of them, and it is a very few, incomparison to over a billion of them around the world.

Just as I certainly would not want to go abroad, and have people in other countries assume that I was for Bush et al, or for the idiot in Florida, who burned the Kor'an, you are unfair to think that all, or even most Muslims hate America, want to kill us, or agree with what a few, SAUDI ARABIANS did to us on 9/11.


We now have proof that Bush covered up for the very same Saudis who financed the attacks on 9/11. For that, there can be no forgiveness!

Let's take the Catholic Church, for a moment. It is a FACT that the entire organization was involved in covering up the pedophelia that has been rampant in their organization forever! Yes, forever! Not only did they cover it up, but they sent their sickos on to abuse even more children! Aided the pedophelia!

Does that mean that every single priest is a pedophile? NO, it doesn't, but for me, it means that the entire organization is corrupt, and hence, I look down on them, and certainly would not trust them as far as I could throw them, and in fact, they repulse me, as most organized religions do repulse me.

The Bush Organization is and has always been corrupt, has been corrupt for decades.

Were there any reputable people working in Government as Republicans? Certainly there were. But those who were leading from the top, were exploiting their underlings. What
Repubicans have done to this country is unforgivable! What the Vatican has done to

Catholicism, is unforgivable.

Planned exloitation and corruption, is unforgivable.

Organizational corruption is what we are dealing with, on every level. Religion isn't ging to solve that, it never has, and never will.

government can't solve all corruption, either.

But the LEADERS at the top, must be held accountable, nd the

Republican lies and slander, propaganda and filth, is legendary. Their tactics are repulsive. They come from HATE! HATE if their vehicle.

Human beings can only survive by choosing to be reflective, compassionate, and inclusive in their acceptance of all others, and realize that each of us must take every other individual, as we find them, and not lump them in with the radical few among them. What I'm saying is that each situation must be studied for what it actually is, and that does take some time and study to determine. Jumping to conclusions is not the way to go.

It is not rational to demonize all Muslims. It does not add anything good to the world, to do so.

Just as demonizing Gays, women, those of color, is wrong, so it is wrong to demonize all Muslims, or all Catholics, or all Republicans, or all from the Middle East, where many decent and loving people live.

What I love about our President is that he doesn't go off half cocked. Even in the mission to get bin Laden, it was the president who insisted that the mission absolutely would not commence without arranging for a back up helicopter ready to get our people out in an emergency situation.

The right demonizes everything this president does, and never gives him any credit, for any of his accomplishments, EVER! Not even when the accomploishment is killing the world's number one threat, a man determined to practice terrorism, to plan and execute it not just here, but everywhere and anywhere around the world, killing actually far more Muslims, than any other race, nationality or religion.

I agree that Saudi Arbia is not a true ally, neither is Israel!
Neither is any philosophy of intolerance!

G.

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 04:52 PM
......The fact is that there are people all over this world who do not support the policies of their leaders, nor the policies of their radical religious leaders. The PEOPLE, do not have the power that their wealthy leaders have, not here and not anywhere. Hence, it is totally ignorant to assume that Muslims by and large, are any more supportive of their leaders and corrupt policies of those in power, or support all of the radical ideas of some religious radicals among them, an more than Americans are supportive of any of those same radicals among us here... This is where I take huge issue with your statements, Mac,.....

Yes, it appears to me that theusofa iz hated more by the muslims in arab countrys that suppozedly support theusofa (eg egypt, saudi arabia etc)than in arab countrys that oppoze theusofa (eg libya, iran etc).
mac.

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 04:55 PM
........It is not rational to demonize all Muslims. It does not add anything good to the world, to do so.........

Unfortunately with muslims and christians and jews (ie mentally ill or stupid) my starting point iz that even the good ones are a toxik pox on the environment and the future.
After that my opinion kan only get worserer.
mac.

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 05:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because 100% of RW Christians think homosexuality is an abomination, it doesn't mean to say they would agree with Homosexuals being stoned! Only the very few radical extremists would be for that. Q</div></div>Ok. Christians etc shood tick the box for [yes] or [sometimes] or [no] to 200 questions which would inklood the following 12.


What the Bible says about stoning
Everybody must get stoned

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For taking "accursed things"
Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For cursing or blaspheming
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For animals (like an ox that gores a human)
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For worshipping other gods
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For disobeying parents
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For witches and wizards
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For giving your children to Molech
Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For breaking the Sabbath
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

[yes] or [sometimes] or [no] For cursing the king
Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10

Note: There is an interesting story in John 8 about a woman caught in adultery. It is often used to show that Jesus was opposed to stoning. Unfortunately, Jesus doesn't clearly say that he is, and the story may not belong in the Bible anyway, since it is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts.

cushioncrawler
09-25-2012, 05:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many Muslims do you come into contact with on a daily basis? My guess is none. Q</div></div>I karnt find any stats for ballarat, but it seems that praps 5% in total are either budhist or muslim or jew. I dont know for sure of mac coming into kontakt much with any budhists or muslims or jews. Atheists are 21%, and i dont know of any, i certainly dont talk about religion with any atheists, probly the local bishop iz an atheist, and most of the priests.
mac.

eg8r
09-25-2012, 06:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">........It is not rational to demonize all Muslims. It does not add anything good to the world, to do so.........</div></div>Yet hypocritically gaylio refuses to follow her own guidance and demonizes Christianity.

eg8r