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LWW
09-28-2012, 08:22 PM
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance?

Let them take arms.

The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

It is its natural manure."
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cushioncrawler
09-28-2012, 09:03 PM
It haz rarely been refreshed. Raygun nearly.
Manson yes, but didnt really accomplish much -- didnt target tyrants.

A few lives lost in a century or two -- ie at least 3 lives in 200 yrs -- ie less than 2 per century.
Or it kood be say 4 lives in 100 yrs -- ie 4 per century.

But at least every 20 yrs = at least 5 rebellions per century.
If one death per rebellion that = 5 patriots/tyrants/rulers lost per century, at least.

And ignorance iz a defence.
But there havnt been any examples of pardoning and pacifying.
mac.

Lemmesee -- 500,000 killed in the second or 3rd civil war. At the rate of 5 per century then theusofa kan preserve its liberties without any more warnings for the next 100,000 centurys, which iz 10,000,000 years.

Well dunn. Congratulations.

Soflasnapper
09-29-2012, 09:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. </div></div>

I've never seen this quote in full with this part, only the famous phrase toward the end.

Sounds like he's saying stupid or misinformed people will always be among us, and they will be malcontents based on their misinformation.

He goes on to say if they just sit their sullenly, taking it, as it were, they become apathetic, lethargic.

So his proposed remedy is for them to take up arms to press their misunderstood points, and then the country can properly educate them by 'pacifying' them, apparently by shooting enough of them to death so as to make the point?

Whoa! I've always had the utmost respect for Jefferson and his ideals, but this is crank material.

We need revolutions to solve an misinformation problem, which seems inevitably to mean that those misinformed people get straightened out and but good, at the end of the government's bayonet or jackboot?

I think in full context as provided here (I presume this is correct, although there is no reference), Jefferson is saying quite the opposite of what people ordinarily think.

The people ought to act up in a revolutionary way so they can have their teeth kicked in by the superior information holding state?

LWW
09-29-2012, 02:00 PM
Yep ... you can't get it no matter how simply it is explained.