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Qtec
10-08-2012, 07:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mitt Romney, 10/3/12: The key to great schools? Great teachers. So I reject the idea that I don't believe in great teachers <span style='font-size: 14pt'>or more teachers.</span>

Mitt Romney, 6/8/12: He says we need more firemen, more policemen, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government.</span></div></div>

link (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/05/1140797/-Mitt-Romney-debates-himself)

More lies.

Q

LWW
10-08-2012, 08:11 AM
In Wisconsin it was the teacher's union forcing a cutback in t number of teachers.

Gayle in MD
10-08-2012, 09:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mitt Romney, 10/3/12: The key to great schools? Great teachers. So I reject the idea that I don't believe in great teachers <span style='font-size: 14pt'>or more teachers.</span>

Mitt Romney, 6/8/12: He says we need more firemen, more policemen, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government.</span></div></div>

link (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/05/1140797/-Mitt-Romney-debates-himself)

More lies.

Q </div></div>


Teachers have never been paid enough, IMO. Additionally, it is a fact that where there are strong teachers unions, we have the highest student scores, and the most involved parents, happiest with the schools in their state or county.


Romney can't open his mouth without a colossal flip-flop, or an outright lie. He proved in the debate, he has no problem looking right in the camera, and lying his butt off.

Frontline is airing a documentary about both candidates, and come to find out, Romney's refusal to discuss his Mormonism, is because all of his ancestors were polygamists. Intra-family marriage isn't much of a recommendation for mental stability.




G.

Soflasnapper
10-08-2012, 11:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Wisconsin it was the teacher's union forcing a cutback in t number of teachers. </div></div>

Nope.

That was the governor's CLAIM, although at the time he had all the financial concessions from them he wanted. He still was waiting for the removal of their rights of collective bargaining, although that had no fiscal impact in that fiscal year or through the term of the new contract, and said THAT holdup-- getting the removal of the collective bargaining, which was delayed a while-- was the reason to lay them off.

Qtec
10-09-2012, 03:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the components of the American Jobs Act that Obama continues to demand that Republicans pass would invest $35 billion in federal funds to keep cops, firefighters, and teachers on the job. Republicans, Romney included, oppose this plan. Central to their argument against this type of investment is to keep the focus on public sector workers as a class, arguing that they are bilking the taxpayer and are to blame for the economic plight of struggling Americans. As Romney recently put it: “We have 145,000 more government workers under this president. Let’s send them home and put you back to work.” </div></div>

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Just another one of Mitten's lies.

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Qtec
10-09-2012, 05:45 AM
Also,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama wants Congress to help states rehire teachers and act on a key part of last year's jobs bill. He said the last thing the United States needs is to have fewer teachers in our schools.

Obama said in his radio and Internet address Saturday that many states have been squeezed by the recession and have been forced to lay off teachers — <span style='font-size: 14pt'>about 250,000 across the nation</span>.

Obama said Congress needs to act on part of last year's jobs bill that would prevent more layoffs and rehire more teachers who lost their jobs. </div></div>

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eg8r
10-09-2012, 08:09 AM
What part is the lie and what is the truth in your own words?

eg8r

eg8r
10-09-2012, 08:10 AM
What are Mitt's exact words which you believe to be a lie and what is the truth as you understand it?

eg8r

LWW
10-10-2012, 05:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Wisconsin it was the teacher's union forcing a cutback in t number of teachers. </div></div>

Nope.

That was the governor's CLAIM, although at the time he had all the financial concessions from them he wanted. He still was waiting for the removal of their rights of collective bargaining, although that had no fiscal impact in that fiscal year or through the term of the new contract, and said THAT holdup-- getting the removal of the collective bargaining, which was delayed a while-- was the reason to lay them off.

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Might I suggest you being educated on the topic before you post?

The governor has no control over teacher as far as numbers ... that is controlled by local agreement, and teachers WERE losing jobs because teachers with more seniority were insisting upon further pay and benefit increases even though it was costing less senior members their career.

Qtec
10-10-2012, 06:12 AM
We can deal with that later. That was not my main point but here is something to think about.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/09/08/opinion/090812krugman2/090812krugman2-blog480.jpg


Mittens is lying or totally clueless of what Wisconsin was all about.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>Did he not get the message of Wisconsin?</u> </div></div>

Scott Walker was trying to bust the Teacher unions, pure and simple. Nothing to do with the budget. The people of Wisconsin did not vote for this union busting plan, Scott Walker never mentioned it before he got elected. That's why this is also a lie.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The American people did.<span style="color: #3333FF">[ he is making this up!]</span> It's time for us to cut back on government. </div></div>

As Scott Walker's attack was only on the Teachers,[ the Police and Firemen got a pass which was later ruled by the courts as illegal!] what Mittens means by cutting Govt is less Teachers!

Now he says we need more.

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eg8r
10-10-2012, 07:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We can deal with that later.</div></div>You said it was another one of his lies. So cut out the part you think is the lie and then explain why it is a lie and what the truth is in your own words.

eg8r

Qtec
10-10-2012, 10:13 AM
1. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Central to their argument against this type of investment is to keep the focus on public sector workers as a class, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>arguing that they are bilking the taxpayer and are to blame for the economic plight of struggling Americans.</span> </div></div>

2. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have 145,000 more government workers under this president. </div></div>

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/09/08/opinion/090812krugman2/090812krugman2-blog480.jpg

Before you start giving me that Rand Paul crap, read this.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the least appreciated <u>but easily-confirmed facts</u> about the current state of the American economy is that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the number of Americans employed by the government has gone down under President Obama.</span> But apparently this is news to one the Republican Party’s most prominent tea party conservatives. During a roundtable discussion on ABC this morning over the size and adequacy of the 2009 stimulus, a flabbergasted Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) asked economist Paul Krugman if he was actually arguing that government employment had gone down under Obama:

PAUL: The thing I don’t understand is that you’re arguing that the government sector is struggling. Are you arguing that there are fewer government employees under Obama than there were under Bush?

KRUGMAN: Of course. That’s a fact. That’s a tremendous fact.

PAUL: No, the size of growth of government is enormous under President Obama.

KRUGMAN: If government employment had grown as fast under Obama as it did under Bush, we’d have a million and a half more people employed right now — directly.

PAUL: Are there less people employed or more people employed now by government?

Watch it: link (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/09/09/816761/flabbergasted-rand-paul-learns-public-employment-decreased-under-obama/)


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>As Krugman quickly pointed out on his blog, the answer is “less.” Now, perhaps Paul was thinking of employment by the federal government alone, which did tick up just slightly: 2.77 million at the end 2008 versus 2.8 million currently. But add in state and local government jobs, and the hard number for government employment dropped by around 600,000 after Bush left office.</span>

As a matter of fact, the share of jobs in the economy provided by the public sector went up following the 2001 recession under George W. Bush, the 1990 recession under George H.W. Bush, and the 1981 recession under Ronald Reagan. Only after the latest recession, which hit just before Obama took office, did the share of public jobs drop.

In no small part this is due to another point Krugman made — that the stimulus, while large, was inadequate to the country’s needs. This has been particularly true in the area of state aid. Spending cuts at the state level overtook additional spending at the federal level in late 2009 and <span style='font-size: 14pt'>have been driving a contraction in the public sector ever since.</span> </div></div>


700,000 less public employees, 250,000 of them teachers. Romney lied.


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eg8r
10-10-2012, 12:26 PM
OK, you must be playing stupid so I will dumb this down for you.

Here is what you quoted and called a lie...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mitt Romney, 10/3/12: The key to great schools? Great teachers. So I reject the idea that I don't believe in great teachers or more teachers.

Mitt Romney, 6/8/12: He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government.</div></div> So, which part of this is the lie and in your own words (read: not a quote from someone else's words) what is the truth.

eg8r

Qtec
10-10-2012, 05:52 PM
Does he want more teachers or less teachers?
He he is now claiming he wants both! eg, One of those statements must be a lie.

Q

eg8r
10-10-2012, 09:06 PM
One quote says we need more teachers and the other quote says we need less government. Doesn't sound like one makes the other a lie at all.

eg8r

LWW
10-11-2012, 04:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does he want more teachers or less teachers?
He he is now claiming he wants both! eg, One of those statements must be a lie.

Q </div></div>

Here's a hint ... the majority of teachers in America are teachers in title only and can't pass the equivalency tests to be a HS grad.

They are protected by a corrupt union and our educational system will not improve until they are purged.

Qtec
10-11-2012, 05:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does he want more teachers or less teachers?
He he is now claiming he wants both! eg, One of those statements must be a lie.

Q </div></div>

Here's a hint ... the majority of teachers in America are teachers in title only and can't pass the equivalency tests to be a HS grad.

They are protected by a corrupt union and our educational system will not improve until they are purged. </div></div>

Answer the question, MORE or LESS.

Too tricky for you?

Q

Qtec
10-11-2012, 05:49 AM
You should join the Romney campaign. Both of you have nothing to say.

Q

eg8r
10-11-2012, 07:35 AM
Why do you think this is about quantity and not quality?

eg8r