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llotter
10-15-2012, 09:30 PM
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. G. Washington.

Soflasnapper
10-15-2012, 11:14 PM
Government is the societally agreed upon necessary counter to the savagery and depredations of self interest on the public weal.

Washington also opposed foreign alliances and interests, having a standing army, and political parties. He stood for the power of federal taxation, mounting a militia himself personally to quash a tax rebellion, not only the commander in chief, but the commanding general in the field. To enforce the power of federal taxation.

He did not foresake that assertion of power to any claim of irresponsible governance. It was part of our founding, from the beginning of the Constitution, in a government duly constituted by our people.

Extremists call it theft by force. Washington disagreed, while using force of arms.

Qtec
10-16-2012, 02:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Government is the societally agreed upon necessary counter to the savagery and depredations of self interest on the public weal. </div></div>

Govt is not the problem, its the people who make up the Govt that are the problem. How many 1%ers are in the Senate?
Who do they represent?




Q

LWW
10-16-2012, 05:30 AM
Again ... you play "SANS A CLUE" for us.

All of the founding fathers were one percenters.

LWW
10-16-2012, 05:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Government is the societally agreed upon necessary counter to the savagery and depredations of self interest on the public weal.

Washington also opposed foreign alliances and interests, having a standing army, and political parties. He stood for the power of federal taxation, mounting a militia himself personally to quash a tax rebellion, not only the commander in chief, but the commanding general in the field. To enforce the power of federal taxation.

He did not foresake that assertion of power to any claim of irresponsible governance. It was part of our founding, from the beginning of the Constitution, in a government duly constituted by our people.

Extremists call it theft by force. Washington disagreed, while using force of arms. </div></div>

Once again ... even when you get it, you still don't get it.

Qtec
10-16-2012, 07:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again ... you play "SANS A CLUE" for us.

All of the founding fathers were one percenters. </div></div>

That was 200 FKN years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake TFUP.

Q

Qtec
10-16-2012, 07:04 AM
Tell us all!


What did G. Washington have to say about freedom of the internet?

What did he have to say about radio or television?


Q

eg8r
10-16-2012, 07:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Government is the societally agreed upon necessary counter to the savagery and depredations of self interest on the public weal. </div></div>LOL, and we have leftie weenie from texas on here once a week telling us he wishes we picked the POTUS by popular vote. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif LOL, you lefties really should talk before attacking each other.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
10-16-2012, 02:26 PM
LOL, you lefties really should talk before attacking each other.

That might be important if we wanted to form a united propaganda front or something. As that is not our intent or goal, it hardly matters to us. Free expression of ideas is the key, not uniformity of opinions.

There's nothing inconsistent with my comment about government generally and having a popular vote elect the president.

The COTUS had the US senators elected by state legislatures, until that was changed, using regular COTUS procedures of amending the COTUS. If the other suggestion is done, and the POTUS election becomes the popular vote only, that would equally be not only not against our concept of government, but both allowable and precedented (by the 17th amendment).

LWW
10-16-2012, 03:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again ... you play "SANS A CLUE" for us.

All of the founding fathers were one percenters. </div></div>

That was 200 FKN years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake TFUP.

Q </div></div>

You have a point ... but a nice fedora would keep it out of sight.

LWW
10-16-2012, 03:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tell us all!


What did G. Washington have to say about freedom of the internet?

What did he have to say about radio or television?


Q </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."</span>

Anything else I can help you with?

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgewash146824.html#4fe2cFoi4wLQeyLW.99

eg8r
10-16-2012, 04:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's nothing inconsistent with my comment about government generally and having a popular vote elect the president.</div></div>There is a reason we don't have a vote decided by popular vote and the quote you posted is spot on.

eg8r

eg8r
10-16-2012, 04:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have a point ... but a nice fedora would keep it out of sight.</div></div>:)

eg8r

Grapenut
10-16-2012, 06:20 PM
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