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Qtec
10-16-2012, 02:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Romney’s Unraveling Claim That Six Studies Validate His Tax Plan</span>

In response to the persistent and substantial questions about the math of his tax plan not adding up, Mitt Romney and his campaign frequently argue that six independent studies back him up by ratifying the arithmetic of the centerpiece of his domestic agenda.

But the talking point about the talking point is unraveling.

More and more mainstream outlets are pointing out that they fail to validate its soundness. And on Sunday Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie was challenged on Fox News by Chris Wallace, who questioned whether the studies are really nonpartisan.

“Those are very questionable. Some of them are blogs. Some of them are from the AEI [American Enterprise Institute], which is hardly an independent group,” Wallace said. “One of them is from a guy who is — a blog from a guy who was a top adviser to George W. Bush. These are hardly nonpartisan studies.”

“These are very credible sources,” Gillespie said.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Of the six studies, <u>two are blog posts by the conservative American Enterprise Institute; one is a report by the Republican-friendly Heritage Foundation; one is a paper by Princeton professor and former George W. Bush adviser Harvey Rosen; the fifth and sixth are a Wall Street Journal op-ed and blog post by Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, an adviser to the Romney campaign.</u>
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In addition, not all the studies appear to reach the same conclusion as Romney. He contends they show that it’s possible to lower tax rates across the board by 20 percent and avoid adding to the deficit by unwinding deductions and credits for high incomes. That’s not the case.

Feldstein, for instance, concludes that the numbers add up if effective taxes rise on incomes between $100,000 and $200,000, even though Romney has ruled that out. Rosen, for his part, makes the math work by omitting part of the revenue losses and assuming huge economic growth effects from tax reform.

Months ago, Romney’s proposal was called into question by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, which found that even under friendly assumptions, there aren’t enough loopholes in the tax code for incomes above $200,000 to make up for his nearly $5 trillion in tax cuts. In other words, the plan would either force the middle class to pay more or increase the deficit.

The other studies that Romney cites — the two blog posts by AEI and the report by Heritage — question the contours of the TPC paper or posit different revenue baselines. Neither of them comprehensively illustrate how the GOP nominee’s math might add up. </div></div>



Romney has no plan. There is no plan, only BS.



Q

LWW
10-16-2012, 06:07 AM
Why no link?

Qtec
10-16-2012, 06:55 AM
Google this,
'Romney’s Unraveling Claim That Six Studies Validate His Tax Plan'.

What is the first result?



link for morons. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-challenged-on-six-studies-validating-tax-plan.php)

Nothing to say? What a surprise!
Q

eg8r
10-16-2012, 07:39 AM
LOL, watch the name calling or honduh will start shadowposting you also.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
10-16-2012, 08:28 AM
The report from the Joint Committee on Taxation gives up the game entirely.

They looked at how large an across the board tax rate cut could be to remain neutral. They said just 4%. Beyond that, either net tax hikes on the middle class were required, or it would add to the deficit.

Qtec
10-16-2012, 09:06 AM
That's not name calling, I'm just stating a fact. Here is the google search of the quote. what is the first result? What's top of the page? (https://www.google.nl/search?q=%27Romney%E2%80%99s+Unraveling+Claim+That +Six+Studies+Validate+His+Tax+Plan&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

When you claim to be an intellectual giant but you can't do a simple search...........you deserve the title of moron!

Q

Qtec
10-16-2012, 09:41 AM
Once again you go off topic! Romney sites blog posts and op-eds as proof that his tax plan can work.


Where are his own stats?

Where is his own study that gives details on how his 20% cuts can be paid for?

The Elephant in the room is that Romney is proposing a plan but at the same time admitting he has no idea if it can be done.

Q

eg8r
10-16-2012, 10:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not name calling, I'm just stating a fact.</div></div>That is all I have ever done but there is no jihad too low for honduh. I am just trying to warn you.

eg8r

eg8r
10-16-2012, 10:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again you go off topic!</div></div>Maybe honduh is rubbing off. I told you he was bad for the board.

eg8r

LWW
10-16-2012, 03:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Google this,
'Romney’s Unraveling Claim That Six Studies Validate His Tax Plan'.

What is the first result?



link for morons. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-challenged-on-six-studies-validating-tax-plan.php)

Nothing to say? What a surprise!
Q </div></div>

Don't hate me because you don't know how the internet works.

LWW
10-16-2012, 03:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The report from the Joint Committee on Taxation gives up the game entirely.

They looked at how large an across the board tax rate cut could be to remain neutral. They said just 4%. Beyond that, either net tax hikes on the middle class were required, or it would add to the deficit. </div></div>

Link?

LWW
10-16-2012, 03:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, watch the name calling or honduh will start shadowposting you also.

eg8r </div></div>

You would do well to avoid hound'oh ... he's the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>EYBOARD <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>OMMADO OF <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>ANAWHA <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>OUNTY ...

Soflasnapper
10-16-2012, 04:45 PM
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Joint Committee on Taxation: Base-broadening tax reform is really hard

Posted by Dylan Matthews on October 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm

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The Joint Committee on Taxation is one of the most respected institutions in Washington. It is to the tax code what the CBO is to the budget: a nonpartisan, impartial arbiter that produces respected estimates of revenues and other figures important to tax policy.

So it’s a big deal that they sent Sens. Max Baucus and Orrin Hatch — the chair and ranking member, respectively, on the Senate Finance Committee — a letter (obtained first by Bloomberg) arguing that even if you eliminated almost every tax deduction in the books, you could only afford to cut tax rates by 4 percent before you start adding to the deficit. The full letter is here:</div></div>

Ezra Klein's blog at the WaPost. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/12/joint-committee-on-taxation-base-broadening-tax-reform-is-really-hard/)

Bloomberg got the letter first, then the chairman and the ranking member got it, apparently. Text of the letter at link.

hondo
10-16-2012, 10:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, watch the name calling or honduh will start shadowposting you also.

eg8r </div></div>

Exhibit 423.

hondo
10-16-2012, 10:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not name calling, I'm just stating a fact.</div></div>That is all I have ever done but there is no jihad too low for honduh. I am just trying to warn you.

eg8r </div></div>

No, that is not all you have done. You have engaged in hateful name-calling every time somebody posts something that is beyond your mental grasp. I have refrained from firing back at you even though you are a pretty easy target.

hondo
10-16-2012, 10:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, watch the name calling or honduh will start shadowposting you also.

eg8r </div></div>

You would do well to avoid hound'oh ... he's the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>EYBOARD <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>OMMADO OF <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>ANAWHA <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>OUNTY ... </div></div>

Why are the K's emphasized? Why hide behind your juvenile attempts at being clever?

Apparently, you feel because I defended your tiresome attacks on a big mistake Byrd made 60 years ago, that makes me a member of the KKK. Certainly nothing else I have ever said or done should leave you with that impression.
But, I'll be honest with you, larry wilson. I was warned several years in a PM on AZ by a respected conservative poster that you and certain others posted regularly on skinhead sites.
At first I didn't believe it but I have followed you and certain of your Kronies over the years and that accusation doesn't seem as far-fetched anymore.

It's kind've like your doublethink ramblings. You accuse others of this while you are a classic case of everything Orwell warned against.
Thus, if you ARE of skinhead mentality, what better defense than to accuse others of this?

I seem to have really set you off this time. You need to calm down and quit making a bigger fool of yourself than you usually do.

eg8r
10-17-2012, 07:56 AM
Quit hypocritically shadowposting.

eg8r

eg8r
10-17-2012, 07:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, that is not all you have done. You have engaged in hateful name-calling every time somebody posts something that is beyond your mental grasp.</div></div>So now you are telling qtip what his definition of "stating a fact" is?

Quit hypocritically shadowposting.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
10-17-2012, 08:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again you go off topic! Romney sites blog posts and op-eds as proof that his tax plan can work.


Where are his own stats?

Where is his own study that gives details on how his 20% cuts can be paid for?

The Elephant in the room is that Romney is proposing a plan but at the same time admitting he has no idea if it can be done.

Q

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Yes, and it is a plan about which every respected economist, including REagans former Budget Director, has stated is absurd.

Romney is nothing but a lying fake, without conscinece.

hondo
10-29-2012, 05:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, watch the name calling or honduh will start shadowposting you also.

eg8r </div></div>

You would do well to avoid hound'oh ... he's the <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>EYBOARD <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>OMMADO OF <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>ANAWHA <span style='font-size: 14pt'>K</span>OUNTY ... </div></div>


Yep, Q, I responded to this? Yet you say nothing to larry wilson? I don't get it.

LWW
10-29-2012, 05:30 PM
Why does the truth disturb you?