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LWW
11-12-2012, 05:28 AM
1 - America is capitalist and greedy ... yet half of the population is subsidized.

2 - Half of the population is subsidized ... yet they think they are victims.

3 - They think they are victims ... yet their representatives run the government.

4 - Their representatives run the government ... yet the poor keep getting poorer.

5 - The poor keep getting poorer ... yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

6 - They have things that people in other countries only dream about ... yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

Qtec
11-12-2012, 06:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 - America is capitalist and greedy ... <u>yet half of the population is subsidized.</u> </div></div>

If you include companies like Exxon etc, it goes up tp 95%.

Is Mittens not subsidized?


All those dubious tax deductions?


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Qtec
11-12-2012, 06:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Their representatives run the government ... yet the poor keep getting poorer. </div></div>

That would be the GOP who will hold the economy to ransom to PROTECT tax breaks for the super rich, the 2 %, who don't need them!

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LWW
11-12-2012, 06:24 AM
You are aware that silence would make you appear far more learned than you are?

Qtec
11-12-2012, 06:44 AM
Are you aware you type words but say nothing? A Monkey can do that.

Probably better than you can. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

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Qtec
11-12-2012, 06:45 AM
The silence comes from you!

When challenged on your delusions, as usual,<span style='font-size: 26pt'> you have NOTHING TO SAY.</span>

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Soflasnapper
11-12-2012, 08:55 AM
This is nicely framed, as one leads to the other. However nicely structured, however, this is wrong, as most of these things you say aren't right.

1. Probably all the population is subsidized. I think you meant half the population has been freed of paying federal income tax. Which is not much of a subsidy, in terms of living in this country. A couple of thousands or less. The carried interest tax break saves a relative handful of people tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Myth's deal-making relied heavily on the deductibility of the interest paid for that kind of deal to make the math work. That seniors have to get by on less than $1,000 a month (and some free or discounted health care) shows the disparities in subsidies. Not to mention they partially paid for that 'subsidy,' along with their employer taking that amount of matching tax out of their salary, ultimately. Yet it may not pay for housing and food and the medication costs, requiring past retirement age seniors to go without some of that.

2. They think they are victims? See above. Average people get peanuts, big deal people get millions. As things have tradeoffs, of course, the average people have been victimized by the big deal people.

3. No, average people do not have representatives running the government. In the rare case where a representative or senator does have his or her common people first and foremost, such people do not run anything, and are marginalized from holding any significant power. The big deal people control the government, as they are the sole source of campaign finance monies.

4. See above. But more importantly, it isn't just the poor getting poorer in our system. The vast middle has become poorer and poorer, as the median wage has stagnated for about 30 years, but expenses continue to go up.

5. A ridiculous talking point, of course. As it is the broad middle class that is getting poorer, they have still more than the poor do here, and thus clearly more than other countries' poor. They are still getting poorer.

6. Just ran off the road with this last one. The poor in 'other countries' that we wish to emulate more (actually, no one really says this) are likely less poor than our poor, because the comparison is to 1st world countries with far stronger safety nets, such as in Europe or Japan.