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Gayle in MD
11-13-2012, 10:30 AM
<span style="color: #990000">Shocked? And this is the man making highly sensitive judgement calls for our country, and he's SHOCKED that this liar, and philandering cheat, wasn't who he thought she was?

Good thing Patraeus is gone, IMO!

If he couldn't tell that this woman has obvious emotional problems, he has no business running the CIA!</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By ANNE FLAHERTY, KIMBERLY DOZIER AND ADAM GOLDMAN, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON Ex-CIA director David Petraeus has told friends he was shocked to find that his biographer and girlfriend, Paula Broadwell, was suspected of sending anonymous, threatening emails to a Petraeus friend she saw as a romantic rival.

A close Petraeus associate said Monday that FBI investigators told Petraeus that Broadwell sent anonymous emails to Jill Kelley, a Petraeus family friend from his time at Central Command in Tampa, warning her to stay away from him. The Petraeus associate spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential conversations with Petraeus. The CIA director resigned last week after confessing to the affair.

Petraeus was not shown the emails, but was told the tone and content seemed threatening to Kelley, prompting her to report them, the close Petraeus associate said. That triggered the investigation that led the FBI to Broadwell and evidence of her affair with Petraeus.

The affair began in 2011, two months after he became CIA director, a friend and former top aide said Monday. The case has sparked an uproar in Congress over FBI investigative tactics and complaints by lawmakers they weren't told soon enough about the probe rocking the intelligence and law enforcement establishment.

Petraeus, who resigned last week as the nation's head spy, and his family are said to be devastated over the affair, especially his wife Holly, who "is not exactly pleased right now," said Steve Boylan, a friend and former Petraeus spokesman who spoke to Petraeus over the weekend.

"Furious would be an understatement," Boylan told ABC's "Good Morning America." He said Petraeus ended the affair four months ago.



Members of Congress said they want to know more details about the FBI investigation that revealed the extramarital affair between Petraeus and Broadwell. They questioned when the retired general popped up in the FBI inquiry, whether national security was compromised and why they weren't told sooner.

Petraeus, 60, quit Friday after acknowledging the affair. He has been married 38 years to Holly Petraeus, with whom he has two adult children, including a son who led an infantry platoon in Afghanistan as an Army lieutenant.

Broadwell, a 40-year-old graduate of the U.S. Military Academy and an Army Reserve officer, is married with two young sons.

According to a senior U.S. military official, Kelley, 37, who lives in Tampa, Fla., and serves as an unpaid social liaison to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, where the military's Central Command and Special Operations Command are located. Staffers for Petraeus said Kelley and her husband were regular guests at events he held at Central Command headquarters.

A U.S. official said the coalition countries represented at Central Command gave Kelley an appreciation certificate on which she was referred to as an "honorary ambassador" to the coalition, but she has no official status and is not employed by the U.S. government.

In a statement Sunday, Kelley and her husband, Scott, said: "We and our family have been friends with Gen. Petraeus and his family for over five years. We respect his and his family's privacy and want the same for us and our three children."

The military official who identified Kelley spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the investigation. He said Kelley had received harassing emails from Broadwell, which led the FBI to examine her email account and eventually discover her relationship with Petraeus. It was not clear what led Broadwell to send the emails to Kelley.

The FBI contacted Petraeus and other intelligence officials, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper asked Petraeus to resign.

A former associate of Petraeus confirmed the target of the emails was Kelley, but said there was no affair between the two, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the retired general's private life. The associate said Kelley and her husband were longtime friends of Petraeus and his wife.

Boylan said Monday that Petraeus is keenly aware that he has injured his family while losing "one of the best jobs he ever had. He's devastated." The affair with Broadwell started about two months after Petraeus took the CIA post, Boylan said. Petraeus became CIA director in September 2011.

Petraeus' affair with Broadwell will be the subject of meetings Wednesday involving congressional intelligence committee leaders, FBI deputy director Sean Joyce and CIA deputy director Michael Morell.

Petraeus had been scheduled to appear before congressional committees on Thursday to testify about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. Morell was expected to testify in place of Petraeus, and lawmakers said he should have the answers to their questions.

Clapper was told by the Justice Department of the Petraeus investigation last week at about 5 p.m. on Election Day, and then called Petraeus and urged him to resign, according to a senior U.S. intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly.

FBI officials said the congressional committees weren't informed until Friday, one official said, because the matter started as a criminal investigation into harassing emails allegedly sent by Broadwell to Kelley.

Concerned that emails Petraeus exchanged with Broadwell raised the possibility of a security breach, the FBI brought the matter up with him directly, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the investigation.

Petraeus decided to quit, though he was breaking no laws by having an affair, officials said.

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Associated Press writers Michele Salcedo, Pete Yost and Matthew Lee contributed to this report
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Soflasnapper
11-13-2012, 04:20 PM
Apparently (we haven't seen the quotes) her messages weren't especially threatening.

More in the line of catty, and as men are said to be full of testosterone when they pull status on one another, perhaps full of estrogen. Meow!

What a mess these two women have prompted, if that's really true at all. The second woman wouldn't have gotten the time of day from the FBI except for ANOTHER wannabe paramour, from what I gather.

What's really going to be funny if it's true is that there are many hyper-evangelistic types in the officer corps, and perhaps DCI and the 4-star are among that self-proclaimed dominionist cadre.

Gayle in MD
11-13-2012, 09:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The second woman wouldn't have gotten the time of day from the FBI except for ANOTHER wannabe paramour, from what I gather.

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Interesting that John Edward's former mistress, Rielle Hunter, lives just a few doors up the street from Broadwell, in N.C.

The Twin sister of Kelley sounds like a real doozey, in fact, both of these twin sisters do, huh?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David Petraeus affair: Florida twins courted generals and racked up millions in debt
Twin Florida socialites who are at the centre of the David Petraeus affair gained intimate access to America's military and political elite through their high-rolling lifestyles even as they quietly racked up millions of dollars in debts and credit card bills.

Jill Kelley, whose complaint over threatening emails prompted the FBI inquiry that has ensnared two top generals, is mired in lawsuits from a string of banks totalling $4 million (2.5 million), court filings obtained by The Daily Telegraph in Florida show.

Meanwhile Mrs Kelley's identical twin Natalie Khawam who obtained testimonies to her good character from both Gen Petraeus and Gen John Allen during her own separate legal battle declared herself bankrupt earlier this year with liabilities of $3.6 million, filings show.

The 37-year-old sisters have emerged as central players in the saga gripping Washington's national security establishment since Mrs Kelley was named as the "second woman" allegedly harassed by jealous emails from Paula Broadwell, Gen Petraeus's biographer and mistress.

They also have direct links to Florida's highest political circles, The Daily Telegraph has learned. Miss Khawam once dated Charlie Crist, the state's former governor, a Republican source said, while Pam Bondi, its Attorney General and a close ally of Mitt Romney, attended a function at Mrs Kelley's home.

The sisters are also believed to have attended the farewell party for Sir Nigel Sheinwald, the former British ambassador to the US, in Washington last year. Peter King, a Republican congressman for New York who was at the event, told CNN yesterday that he had met Mrs Kelley at "one or two events at the British embassy". An embassy spokesman declined to check, saying that it would take too much time.

Mrs Kelley, a mother-of-three and unpaid "social liaison" for the US military in Tampa, is said to have spared no expense at such parties to honour top brass stationed at nearby US Central Command. She was pictured at one event at her $1.2 million mansion in 2010 with Gen Petraeus, who arrived in a 28-man police motorcycle escort.

Guests at Mrs Kelley's parties were treated to lavish buffets, drank champagne and puffed on cigars while being entertained by string quartets, according to insider accounts.

Yet she and her husband Scott, a surgeon, were soon being sued for $1.9 million by Central Bank after allegedly failing to keep up with mortgage payments on a house they bought after starting their own property company. A similar $1.8 million property lawsuit from Regions Bank followed soon after.

Later in the year, Regions Bank filed another claim against the Kelleys for $453,000, before Bank of America sued Mrs Kelley for $25,000 in allegedly unpaid credit card charges. All four cases remain open. The banks' lawyers declined to comment. Mrs Kelley's attorney did not return a request for comment.

"There are obviously financial issues," said one associate of the Kelleys.

"Scott goes to work and works his ass off, and Jill takes care of the social stuff, and gets them into the society pages. They are nice people, and I feel sorry for them".

The sisters grew up in Pennsylvania, the daughters of a couple who emigrated to the US from Lebanon during the 1970s. Their parents, who had two other children, owned a middle-eastern restaurant and a vehicle registration firm, records suggest.

"They are active in the G.O.P. social scene in Florida," said a Republican source. "They are fun, friendly and beautiful people and political folks like them. I guess they've hit difficult times". After being given a certificate at one event naming her an "honorary ambassador", Mrs Kelley is said to have begun using the title without the "honorary" prefix.

Miss Khawam, a lawyer, called on their high-level contacts during a bitter custody battle over her four-year-old son in Washington earlier this year.

Both Gen Petraeus and Gen Allen sent letters to the court supporting her case to overturn a ruling denying her custody.

Informing the court in a September memo that he knew Miss Khawam well and had hosted her for dinner last Christmas, Gen Petraeus testified to having seen "a very loving relationship a mother working hard to provide her son enjoyable, educational and developmental experiences".

Two days later, Gen Allen who is accused of exchanging thousands of emails with Miss Khawam's sister, Jill made his own unusual intervention, writing on headed notepaper and signing off with his title as a general in the US Marine Corps.

He said that she "clearly loves" her son, adding: "In light of Natalie's maturity, integrity and steadfast commitment to raising her child, I humbly request your reconsideration of the existing mandated custody settlement." Miss Khawam filed for bankruptcy in April this year, filings show. She owed more than $3 million spanning taxes, property debts, legal fees and personal loans to associates including $800,000 from Mrs Kelley and her husband, who have taken her in at their Tampa mansion.

Separately she is being sued in Maryland for $100,000 in legal fees and in Florida by her former boss Barry Cohen, a prominent Tampa lawyer, who claims in his lawsuit that she "fraudulently omitted Rolex watches, sable mink furs and a diamond ring" from her bankruptcy filing, which she denies.

Mr Cohen's action came in response to a lawsuit against him from Miss Khawam, who accused him of breach of contract and failing to take action to a complaint of sexual harassment. Mr Cohen denies the allegations

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ns-in-debt.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9676330/David-Petraeus-affair-Florida-twins-courted-generals-and-racked-up-millions-in-debt.html)



Also, according to what I have been told, when a retired general, in this case, Patraeus, is called back into duty for his country, he is still under his military oath, and hence, these Patraeus protectors on the right, who are saying that no laws were broken by him, are wrong.



My personal observational experiences regarding military people, is right in line with what we have glimpsed in this story.


Lost of drinking, lots of socializing, and lots of screwing around between officers and wives, and lots more of it by the officers goes on with civilian women who work on the base.... and the higher up, like General Category, the more of it goes on.


I would think that any strange anonymous e-mails, which include any sort of threat, could be quite alarming...particularly if the reciever has something serious to hide, which makes one wonder why Kelley would have called in an FBI guy, unless they had been closer than just friends, at some point.
G.

eg8r
11-13-2012, 09:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting that John Edward's former mistress, Rielle Hunter, lives just a few doors up the street from Broadwell, in N.C.</div></div>This must be where Desperate Housewives was filmed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r

Gayle in MD
11-13-2012, 10:42 PM
Real Republican Christian Housewives of North Carolina, Tampa, and Afghanistan.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

OR...

Generals Gone Wild!

LWW
11-14-2012, 04:34 AM
I love how when MOVEON told us he was General Betray-Us, the cabal obediently called him a violent republican tool ... and when he joined the Obama regime they slavishly agreed that he was a national treasure ... and now that he is involved in a typical demokrook type scandal, they again slavishly insist that h is an EEEVILLL republican.

Qtec
11-14-2012, 05:04 AM
The guy had an affair. Big deal.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about!


What I do know is this interesting bit of info!!!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jill Kelley, Woman Who Sparked Petraeus Scandal, Ran Questionable Charity </div></div>

this is the real story!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- Tampa, Fla., socialite and military hostess Jill Kelley, one of the women at the center of the ever-expanding scandal that brought down former CIA Director David Petraeus, <u>founded a questionable charity for cancer</u> patients with her surgeon husband, Scott Kelley.

Based out of the couple's mansion, the Doctor Kelley Cancer Foundation claimed on its tax forms that it "shall be operated <u>exclusively to conduct cancer research and to grant wishes to terminally ill adult cancer patients."</u>

From the records, it appears that the charity fell far short of its mission. While the origins of the seed money used to start the charity in 2007 <u>are unclear</u>, financial records reviewed by The Huffington Post reveal that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the group spent <u><span style='font-size: 26pt'>all of its money</span></u> not on research, but on parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees.

By the end of 2007, the charity had gone bankrupt, having conveniently spent exactly the same amount of money, $157,284, as it started with -- not a dollar more, according to its 990 financial form. Of that, $43,317 was billed as "Meals and Entertainment," $38,610 was assigned to "Travel," another $25,013 was spent on legal fees, and $8,822 went to "Automotive Expenses." </span></div></div>

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/jill-kelley-charity-david-petraeus_n_2124213.html)
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Gayle in MD
11-14-2012, 06:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love how when MOVEON told us he was General Betray-Us, the cabal obediently called him a violent republican tool ... and when he joined the Obama regime they slavishly agreed that he was a national treasure ... and now that he is involved in a typical demokrook type scandal, they again slavishly insist that h is an EEEVILLL republican. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 26pt'> <span style="color: #990000">Gayle and LWW, we all now completely understand that you two don't like each other. No real need to keep belaboring the point.

My suggestion now is to ignore each other.

Any posts from either of you pointing at the other one will result in an immediate (and very long) ban.

</span> </span> </div></div>

Gayle in MD
11-14-2012, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The guy had an affair. Big deal.

I really don't see what all the fuss is about!


What I do know is this interesting bit of info!!!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jill Kelley, Woman Who Sparked Petraeus Scandal, Ran Questionable Charity </div></div>

this is the real story!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WASHINGTON -- Tampa, Fla., socialite and military hostess Jill Kelley, one of the women at the center of the ever-expanding scandal that brought down former CIA Director David Petraeus, <u>founded a questionable charity for cancer</u> patients with her surgeon husband, Scott Kelley.

Based out of the couple's mansion, the Doctor Kelley Cancer Foundation claimed on its tax forms that it "shall be operated <u>exclusively to conduct cancer research and to grant wishes to terminally ill adult cancer patients."</u>

From the records, it appears that the charity fell far short of its mission. While the origins of the seed money used to start the charity in 2007 <u>are unclear</u>, financial records reviewed by The Huffington Post reveal that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the group spent <u><span style='font-size: 26pt'>all of its money</span></u> not on research, but on parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees.

By the end of 2007, the charity had gone bankrupt, having conveniently spent exactly the same amount of money, $157,284, as it started with -- not a dollar more, according to its 990 financial form. Of that, $43,317 was billed as "Meals and Entertainment," $38,610 was assigned to "Travel," another $25,013 was spent on legal fees, and $8,822 went to "Automotive Expenses." </span></div></div>

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/jill-kelley-charity-david-petraeus_n_2124213.html)
Q </div></div>

Well, I can't agree with you my friend, not about this mess.
These people are way out there, IMO, and given how much they had to lose, and how poor their judgement was, annd what their missions were, I believe it smacks of a whole lot of emotional instability, all around.

These Generals are not centered nor well adjusted. they are Narcissists.

Yep, an affair is no big deal these days, when you're talking about a guy or gal on the street, at least to some people, but in this situation, I think of our soliders, and call me old fashioned, but IMO, Patraeus should have had his mind on his mission, protecting our soldiers, and protecting this country, not distracted by trying to get his rocks off, and hide his dirty work. That makes me furious.

Same thing with Allen, what's he doing spending his time writing 20 to 30 thousand e-mails to some sleezy social climbing crook in Tampa, while he is on duty?

I never liked Patraeus. After I saw him change his tune, when asked during Senate Testimony, if the war in Iraq was going to make us safer here, he responded that he couldn't say that. But he said this while he was selling the Surge in Iraq! That FAILED to bring political reconciliation, which was the whole point! This, while our troops were being blown up every damned day!

Then after a call from Bush/Cheney, during the lunch break, he came right back in and did a flip flop.

No Honor!

All of the BS about how the The Surge in Iraq, worked, was just that, total bull. It did not work! Yet the RW press calls it a big success! A LIE.

Now, he's made the same mess in Afghanistan, launching another Surge that isn't working.

Patraeus, according to what I read, has been his own PR agent, above all else. He has all of the signs of Narcissistic Personalityt Disorder.

There are still bombs going off in Baghdad. The Iraq war, and the nation Building going on in Afghanistan, is a total waste of life and treasure, and Patraeus has built up this BS that he's the Superman of winning wars, when he hasn't won a damned thing.

I find it all pretty damned repulsive, particularly when I think about the results I saw at Walter Reed from his Surge! .

Patraeus out in front, leading all these BS Evangelical services, preaching to our soldiers and CIA officers about honor, and then in charge of the whole CIA, charged with keeping this country safe, while he's screwing his girlfriend, behind the scenes?

Surging troops in Afghanistan is the one thing this president has done that I am totally against, and according to what I read, he was talked into it by these same sort of hyper war mongering Generals.

And as for Patraeus, I thought long ago that he had no geniune honor. He's just another war mongering, narcissistic egomaniac, as far as I'm concerned.

He's safely gaurded in his quarters, getting his rocks off, while our soldiers are out there in the open, getting blown up, and his wife has lived the bulk of their marriage, with an absent husband, raising her kids alone, and supporting HIS career!

As for these women, they are all just like the Generals involved, IMO, all of them out for themselves, none of them with any core values, a history of deceit and scamming people, living a lie, and sticking others with the heartache and for what they owe in loyalty and actual payment for what they steal.

They're all pigs, as far as I'm concerned. It's just like everything elses, the pigs at the top, exploit the underlings, while they're scamming everyone around them, including their own families, living a big lie, when in fact, it's all about THEM, all the time.

I think we should cut way back on what they get when they retire, as well.

These Generals get a Quarter of a million dollars a year, after we pay the bill when they're taking their mistresses on romantic trips to Paris? While they're writing selacious e-mails, jerking off in their offices, and our troops are out there getting blown up!

It's all pretty disgusting to me, after reading up on all of it! They all deserve each other. Giv e me a break! These Generals, supposed spy experts, couldn't see through any of these disgusting hucksters?


A bunch of reckless, immature, narcissistic egomaniacs. All of them.


G.

Gayle in MD
11-14-2012, 08:07 AM
Diagnosis Dictionary
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder generally believe that the world revolves around them. This condition is characterized by a lack of ability to empathize with others and a desire to keep the focus on themselves at all times.
Definition
Symptoms
Causes
Treatments
Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behavior, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships. People who are narcissistic are frequently described as cocky, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. Narcissists may concentrate on unlikely personal outcomes (e.g., fame) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. Related Personality Disorders: Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic. Narcissism is a less extreme version of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Narcissism involves cockiness, manipulativeness, selfishness, power motives, and vanity-a love of mirrors. Related personality traits include: Psychopathy, Machiavellianism.


Narcissists tend to have high self-esteem. However, narcissism is not the same thing as self-esteem; people who have high self-esteem are often humble, whereas narcissists rarely are. It was once thought that narcissists have high self-esteem on the surface, but deep down they are insecure. However, the latest evidence indicates that narcissists are actually secure or grandiose at both levels. Onlookers may infer that insecurity is there because narcissists tend to be defensive when their self-esteem is threatened (e.g., being ridiculed); narcissists can be aggressive. The sometimes dangerous lifestyle may more generally reflect sensation-seeking or impulsivity (e.g., risky sex, bold financial decisions).

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder







A.D.A.M. Medical Encyclopedia.

Narcissistic personality disorder
Last reviewed: November 14, 2010.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.

Causes, incidence, and risk factors
The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.

Symptoms
A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

Have excessive feelings of self-importance

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

Need constant attention and admiration

Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

Have obsessive self-interest

Pursue mainly selfish goals

Signs and tests
Like other personality disorders, narcissistic personality disorder is diagnosed based on a psychological evaluation and the history and severity of the symptoms.

Treatment
Psychotherapy (for example, talk therapy) may help the affected person relate to other people in a more positive and compassionate way.

Expectations (prognosis)
The outcome depends on the severity of the disorder.

Complications
Alcohol or other drug dependence

Relationship, work, and family problems

References
Blais MA, Smallwood P, Groves JE, Rivas-Vazquez RA. Personality and personality disorders. In: Stern TA, Rosenbaum JF, Fava M, Biederman J, Rauch SL, eds. Massachusetts General Hospital Clinical Psychiatry. 1st ed. Philadellphia, Pa: Mosby Elsevier;2008:chap 39.
Review Date: 11/14/2010.

Reviewed by: Linda Vorvick, MD, Medical Director, MEDEX Northwest Division of Physician Assistant Studies, University of Washington School of Medicine; and David B. Merrill, MD, Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry, Department of Psychiatry, Columbia University Medical Center, New York, NY. Also reviewed by David Zieve, MD, MHA, Medical Director, A.D.A.M., Inc.

eg8r
11-14-2012, 08:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I can't agree with you my friend, not about this mess.
These people are way out there, IMO, and given how much they had to lose, and how poor their judgement was, annd what their missions were, I believe it smacks of a whole lot of emotional instability, all around.</div></div>You might sound credible if you had the same opinions back when Bill was running around on his wife while trying to lead the country.

eg8r

eg8r
11-14-2012, 08:53 AM
gaylio is queen hypocrite and cannot figure out what she thinks about Petraeus.

eg8r

eg8r
11-14-2012, 08:57 AM
LOL, his post hit close to home this time. Feeling a bit convicted are you? Well he hit the nail on the head.

eg8r

LWW
11-15-2012, 01:36 PM
FTR it's spelled P E T R A E U S.

LWW
11-15-2012, 01:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love how when MOVEON told us he was General Betray-Us, the cabal obediently called him a violent republican tool ... and when he joined the Obama regime they slavishly agreed that he was a national treasure ... and now that he is involved in a typical demokrook type scandal, they again slavishly insist that h is an EEEVILLL republican. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 26pt'> <span style="color: #990000">Gayle and LWW, we all now completely understand that you two don't like each other. No real need to keep belaboring the point.

My suggestion now is to ignore each other.

Any posts from either of you pointing at the other one will result in an immediate (and very long) ban.

</span> </span> </div></div> </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 26pt'> <span style="color: #990000">Gayle and LWW, we all now completely understand that you two don't like each other. No real need to keep belaboring the point.

My suggestion now is to ignore each other.

Any posts from either of you pointing at the other one will result in an immediate (and very long) ban.

</span> </span> </div></div>

Soflasnapper
11-15-2012, 01:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I can't agree with you my friend, not about this mess.
These people are way out there, IMO, and given how much they had to lose, and how poor their judgement was, annd what their missions were, I believe it smacks of a whole lot of emotional instability, all around.</div></div>You might sound credible if you had the same opinions back when Bill was running around on his wife while trying to lead the country.

eg8r </div></div>

Many Democrats thought Clinton's actions were disgraceful and that he ought to resign over them. Whether they agreed with that assessment or not, or said it publicly or not, CLEARLY the man's behavior was immature and sordid, of a nature that in many other circumstances would warrant and force a resignation.

Personally, although I felt a resignation was warranted, I thought refusing that resignation was also warranted, because the situation came about as set up, put up job, illegal perjury trap, and etc.

Significant differences abound between the cases, however, including that the UCMJ makes such conduct illegal for officers, punishable severely by loss of pay and pension, the receipt of a dishonorable discharge, and confinement in prison up to 1 year.

Perhaps if P's affair began after he left the military, this wouldn't apply, as nothing like this applied to any POTUS, whose position depends upon the will of the people who'd elected him (which Clinton never lost, as the public opposed even the impeachment by 2-1 against).

eg8r
11-15-2012, 02:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many Democrats thought Clinton's actions were disgraceful and that he ought to resign over them</div></div>Well then you can take comfort in knowing you don't have to spend any time defending them since I referred directly to gaylio. I thought that was pretty clear.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, although I felt a resignation was warranted, I thought refusing that resignation was also warranted, because the situation came about as set up, put up job, illegal perjury trap, and etc.</div></div>So you lower your own bar of morality if the other immoral person had bad intentions? LOL, give me a break.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
11-15-2012, 03:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently (we haven't seen the quotes) her messages weren't especially threatening.

More in the line of catty, and as men are said to be full of testosterone when they pull status on one another, perhaps full of estrogen. Meow!

What a mess these two women have prompted, if that's really true at all. The second woman wouldn't have gotten the time of day from the FBI except for ANOTHER wannabe paramour, from what I gather.

What's really going to be funny if it's true is that there are many hyper-evangelistic types in the officer corps, and perhaps DCI and the 4-star are among that self-proclaimed dominionist cadre. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The second woman wouldn't have gotten the time of day from the FBI except for ANOTHER wannabe paramour, from what I gather.


<span style="color: #660000"> Another one? Do you mean there was more than the three women we already know about?

Did I miss something. Are you speaking of Kelley's twin sister, or the FBI guy, who was just out to try to stir up trouble for the president? The one who sent the shirtless pictures, the one they said had a world view, (partisan)annd threw directed to stay away from all of it, and then he went to Reichard, (sp) and Cantor? He wwas impatient because he wanted it all to come out before the election, and thought it wasn't moving fast enough for his motives. </span>

What's really going to be funny if it's true is that there are many hyper-evangelistic types in the officer corps, and perhaps DCI and the 4-star are among that self-proclaimed dominionist cadre. </div></div>

<span style="color: #660000"> Petreaus was known for holding Evangelical Prayer Meetings, and complaints had been issued about it in the past, from soldiers who were not Christians.

Yeah, he presented himself as a religiouos man,.... Evangelical? Not sure, but he invited plenty of it where he was, and made the soldiers turn up for it, too.

The one thing that describes all of the people involved in this scandal, is Republican. They are all Republicans.

G.</span>