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llotter
12-17-2012, 08:25 AM
he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.

LWW
12-17-2012, 09:18 AM
The death of innocents has long been considered by the left to be a small price to pay for empowering the state.

Soflasnapper
12-17-2012, 10:39 AM
he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.

That is an impossible frame in which to fit these events. The mother of this man took her own safety seriously, and into her own hands, by amassing a (smallish but lethal) arsenal including these very weapons used-- couple of Glocks, and the Bushmaster semi-auto rifle. She had withdrawn her son from regular school to home school him. She was doing the self reliance thing you call for, and her son was a product of that self reliance. He shot her in the face and then used her weapons for this carnage. How does that fit into your narrative?

The issue of who did what with the mentally ill is not entirely clear, but it happened on Reagan's watch during his term by his policies, whether urged upon him by the left or not. That's among the ways the homeless population grew like topsy-- mentally ill people without support living on the streets. It was the dismantling of the coverage of outpatient mental health under Medicaid, as I've read it, under new laws that required Reagan's signature. Did he oppose this? Did he veto it, only to have the veto overridden? I've never seen anything like that, which would have been exculpatory of his responsibility for that changed policy. So far as I know, he owns this critical and decisive change in how those things were handled, by approving it and signing it into law without demurral.

llotter
12-17-2012, 12:44 PM
Not impossible at all. He had divorced parents, something that has grown more than five-fold since the take over of the lefties in the 60's. The mother has a lot of company in being concerned about her safety based on recent record levels of gun sales. The Tea Party is all about the pennding breakdown and chaos from the Lefts uncontrolled big government spending programs, leading to bankruptcy. Virtually every measure of a good and moral society has dramatically worsened in the last 50 years since the attack on our Christian culture. Since we 'legally' kill a million+ babies a year, it is difficult for many to distinguish right from wrong anymore.

Your history of deinstitutionaling mental patients is way off track.

Wiki: The United States has experienced two waves of deinstitutionalization. Wave one began in the 1950s and targeted people with mental illness.[43] The second wave began roughly fifteen years after and focused on individuals who had been diagnosed with a developmental disability (e.g. mentally impaired).[43] Although these waves began over fifty years ago, deinstitutionalization continues today; however, these waves are growing smaller as fewer people are sent to institutions.

Again, form Wiki, it was the Left that used their usual tactics to tear apart the social norms.

The prevailing public arguments, time of onset, and pace of reforms varied by country.[7] In the United States, class action lawsuits and the scrutiny of institutions through disability activism and antipsychiatry helped expose poor conditions and treatment. Sociologists and others argued that such institutions maintained or created dependency, passivity, exclusion, and disability, which caused people to remain institutionalised. Rosenhan's experiment in 1973 "accelerated the movement to reform mental institutions and to deinstitutionalize as many mental patients as possible."[8]

cushioncrawler
12-17-2012, 02:34 PM
A 2008 study by Baylor University researchers found that clergy in the US often deny or dismiss the existence of a mental illness. Of 293 Christian church members, more than 32 percent were told by their church pastor that they or their loved one did not really have a mental illness, and that the cause of their problem was solely spiritual in nature, such as a personal sin, lack of faith or demonic involvement. The researchers also found that women were more likely than men to get this response. All participants in both studies were previously diagnosed by a licensed mental health provider as having a serious mental illness.[162] However, there is also research suggesting that people are often helped by extended families and supportive religious leaders who listen with kindness and respect, which can often contrast with usual practice in psychiatric diagnosis and medication.[163]

cushioncrawler
12-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Mental Disorders in America

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.2 Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness.1 In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada.3 Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for 2 or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.1

cushioncrawler
12-17-2012, 02:45 PM
What duz the COTUS say about mental illness?? -- The mentally ill kan bear arms, unless injun or black or female.
What duz the The Holey Bible say???? -- The mentally ill shood be stoned to death, if a miracle worker karnt be found.
mac.

hondo
12-17-2012, 03:59 PM
In your long history of disgusting posts, this rates near the top, or bottom.
Good ole larry. Always striving for new lows.

hondo
12-17-2012, 04:04 PM
he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Face a wall. Then keep banging your head over and over into that wall. Could you do that for me?
All these little babies being buried. Meanwhile, you and larry and sev are giddy over blaming the left for this tragedy.
You three seriously make me want to puke.

Soflasnapper
12-17-2012, 04:41 PM
Your history of deinstitutionaling mental patients is way off track.

Yes it was, and it has been for a long time. I appreciate the correction. Not that Saint Reagan was blameless, and I'll bring up some evidence as to what he did, first in pioneering the deinstitutionalization in California (in the second phase you mention), and then in 1981. It amounts to failing to CORRECT the failings of the over release of the mentally impaired with a support infrastructure with adequate funding. Details to come.

Soflasnapper
12-17-2012, 04:44 PM
In your long history of disgusting posts, this rates near the top, or bottom.
Good ole larry. Always striving for new lows.

You know he wanted to blame it on union thugs, and just couldn't figure out how to do it, right? ;)

Solomon Grundy
12-17-2012, 08:08 PM
he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Just when I thought there was no way you and your bud LWW could stoop any lower, you dig down even deeper into the filth. You two are disgusting vulgar little men using the deaths of innocents to spew your foul hatred and vile ways. There is surely a very special place reserved in hell for you and I hope you rot there for all eternity.

hondo
12-17-2012, 08:27 PM
Just when I thought there was no way you and your bud LWW could stoop any lower, you dig down even deeper into the filth. You two are disgusting vulgar little men using the deaths of innocents to spew your foul hatred and vile ways. There is surely a very special place reserved in hell for you and I hope you rot there for all eternity.

Some strong words, Solomon, but I have to admit that I felt equal disgust for these clowns. Not a word of sorrow for those little babies. Just opening up their ass and crapping out their hate for the left.
Makes one wonder if there is a shred of decency in the klan.

hondo
12-17-2012, 08:32 PM
You know he wanted to blame it on union thugs, and just couldn't figure out how to do it, right? ;)

Sofla, they just keep getting worse and worse. My wife is a life-long Republican , but she just shakes her head in dis-belief when I tell her about their posts.
I imagine it's about time for larry to conjure up his johnny d. persona and accuse me of everything in the book while insisting that he's praying for me.

Qtec
12-18-2012, 06:17 AM
he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.

What if the guy had no access to weapons?

You can't claim to be a civilised country and advocate EVERYONE carry a weapon.


That is an admission of failure. America is such a dangerous place you have to be armed at all times.

If this is the case, everyone entering the USA should be issued a hand gun by the US Govt, just to avoid law suits.

Q

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LWW
12-18-2012, 06:49 AM
In your long history of disgusting posts, this rates near the top, or bottom.
Good ole larry. Always striving for new lows.

Really?

So Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Che, Adolf, Pot, Ceaucescu, Benito and friends didn't really order the murder of innocents by the millions?

LWW
12-18-2012, 06:52 AM
What if the guy had no access to weapons?

You can't claim to be a civilised country and advocate EVERYONE carry a weapon.

Q

Is Switzerland civilized?

Qtec
12-18-2012, 07:09 AM
Is Switzerland civilized?

Does the Pope drink wine?

Q??????????????????????

Qtec
12-18-2012, 07:16 AM
Is Texas? LOL




..or anywhere south of the civilisation line? ie RED Country.

Q

LWW
12-18-2012, 08:37 AM
Is Texas? LOL




..or anywhere south of the civilisation line? ie RED Country.

Q

Texas has 2.91 gun murders per 100K population.

Washington DC has 12.46 gun murders per 100K population.

Louisiana has 10.16 gun murders per 100K population.

Michigan has 5.06 gun murders per 100K population.

New York has 4.12 gun murders per 100K population.

California has 3.25 gun murders per 100K population.

Delaware has 3.09 gun murders per 100K population.

All are long term demokrook states.

All have restrictive gun laws.

And your point was what, exactly, if anything?

cushioncrawler
12-18-2012, 02:40 PM
Gun toting shood be kompulsory in theusofa if 18yrs.
But praps with locks, praps 3-bullet.
With bans on big guns and rifles etc.

This would of course rezult in more shootings, mostly accidental.
But would reduce mass murder.
mac.

LWW
12-19-2012, 05:30 AM
Gun toting shood be kompulsory in theusofa if 18yrs.
But praps with locks, praps 3-bullet.
With bans on big guns and rifles etc.

This would of course rezult in more shootings, mostly accidental.
But would reduce mass murder.
mac.

How would it do this?

Washington DC has extremely harsh gun laws AND the highest murder rate in the USA.

LWW
12-19-2012, 05:35 AM
Texas has 2.91 gun murders per 100K population.

Washington DC has 12.46 gun murders per 100K population.

Louisiana has 10.16 gun murders per 100K population.

Michigan has 5.06 gun murders per 100K population.

New York has 4.12 gun murders per 100K population.

California has 3.25 gun murders per 100K population.

Delaware has 3.09 gun murders per 100K population.

All are long term demokrook states.

All have restrictive gun laws.

And your point was what, exactly, if anything?

Q ... when will you do he right thing and apologize to the peaceful people you slimed and denounce the vicious, homicidal, suicidal, genocidal thugs in the heavy demorook states?

Do the right thing snoop, do the right thing.

cushioncrawler
12-19-2012, 06:10 AM
How would it do this? Washington DC has extremely harsh gun laws AND the highest murder rate in the USA.But that iz different. What i am saying iz that gun toting shood be kompulsory.
mac.