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12-20-2012, 06:22 PM
Miracle in Croatia: Immobile girls got out of the wheelchairs
by Darko Pavicic posted on December 20, 2012 03:18PM GMT
Thanks to samuel vimes for the link!
(Thanks to Samuel Vimes for the translation as well!)

Today Vecernji list, one of Croatian's three daily newspapers, published an article about miraculous healing of two girls during spiritual renewal for healing ran by friar Zvjezdan Linic. Here is the translation in English.
In Tabor of fra Zvjezdan Linic there are many examples of healing

At the House of meeting Tabor of fra Zvjezdan Linic in Samobor during spiritual renewal for healing happened real Christmas miracle past weekend - two imobile girls rose from their wheelchairs. It was during the anointing of the sick. One is from the Croatian mainland and the other from the south, said fra Zvjezdan Linic, not hiding his excitement about what happened and exactly during Christmas season.

Both girls, as we have learned, felt strong energy in their bodies during prayer for healing.

- One of them told me that she felt a strong "push" in the back and legs and an urge to stand up so she rose up from her wheelchair and walked around. I think that before that she could not get up, and the other one is occasionally known to rise from her wheelchair, but this rarely happened - said fra Zvjezdan.

The identity of the girls is kept at the request of their families because they do not want to make the sensation out of the event though they are determined to testify when the time comes.

- It is a serious illness and should be very cautious. Although one girl stood up from her wheelchair this weekend, we heard she is stuck to them again. It was a moment of confirmation that she is on the path of God, and that will continue on it, that they would return to Tabor and pray for their health - they told us from Tabor, from the people close to the girl and her family, for whom this was one of a number of arrivals in Tabor in recent years.

In Tabor of fra Zvjezdan Linic there are many examples of healing, but especially those of addiction, such as smoking, alcoholism and even drug addiction. Such cases are rare indeed and in Tabor they do not hide their enthusiasm and excitement that something like this happened just before the Christmas holidays. Also, the people who go there for spiritual renewal were shocked and delighted with what they saw so many, as we learned, cried with happiness and did not hide their joy over this unusual event.
continue to source article at vecernji.hr

12-20-2012, 06:26 PM
.........In Tabor of fra Zvjezdan Linic there are many examples of healing, but especially those of addiction, such as smoking, alcoholism and even drug addiction.......

Wowee. Looks like soon we will see some more saints.
St Styversant -- St Daniels -- St Cocaine.

12-20-2012, 06:34 PM
If you get drunk and run out of wine, weep and howl.
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth. Joel 1:5

12-21-2012, 11:19 AM
As a youngster, my mother took me to a Katherine Kuhlman (sp?) revival/faith healing service in Los Angeles, at some large venue. Oddly, it is fairly well accepted that faith is NOT a prerequisite for receiving a healing in that kind of situation, and that non-believers may receive healings along with believers.

12-21-2012, 02:12 PM
Kathryn Kuhlman
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Born May 9, 1907 Concordia, Missouri, U.S.A
Died February 20, 1976 Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
Cause of death complications from open heart surgery
Nationality American (of German ancestry)
Occupation Evangelist Known for Faith healing Religion Christianity
Spouse(s) Burroughs Allen Waltrip (Mister), October 18, 1938- ? 1948(divorced)
Parents Joseph Adolph Kuhlman and Emma Walkenhorst
Kathryn Johanna Kuhlman (9 May 1907 - 20 February 1976) was an American faith healer and evangelist.

[edit] Personal Life
Kathryn Johanna Kuhlmun was born in Concordia, Missouri, to German-American parents.[1] She was "born-again" at the age of 14 in the Methodist Church of Concordia, and began preaching in the West at the age of sixteen in primarily Baptist Churches.[citation needed]

In 1935, Kathryn met Burroughs Waltrip, an Texas evangelist who was eight years her senior. Shortly after his visit to Denver, Waltrip divorced his wife, left his family and moved to Mason City, Iowa, where he began a revival center called Radio Chapel. Kathryn and her friend and pianist Helen Gulliford came into town to help him raise funds for his ministry. It was shortly after their arrival that the romance between Burroughs and Kathryn became publicly known.

Burroughs and Kathryn decided to wed. While discussing the matter with some friends, Kathryn had said that she could not “find the will of God in the matter.” These and other friends encouraged her not to go through with the marriage, but Kathryn justified it to herself and others by believing that Waltrip’s wife had left him, not the other way around. On October 18th, 1938, Kathryn secretly married “Mister,” as she liked to call Waltrip, in Mason City. The wedding did not give her new peace about their union, however. After they checked into their hotel that night, Kathryn left and drove over to the hotel where Helen was staying with another friend. She sat with them weeping and admitted that the marriage was a mistake. She decided to get an annulment.

[edit] Career
Kuhlman traveled extensively around the United States and in many other countries holding "healing crusades" between the 1940s and 1970s. She had a weekly TV program in the 1960s and 1970s called I Believe In Miracles that was aired nationally. The foundation was established in 1954, and its Canadian branch in 1970.

Following a 1967 fellowship in Philadelphia, Dr. William A. Nolen conducted a case study of 23 people who claimed to have been cured during her services.[2][3][4][5] Nolen's long term follow-ups concluded there were no cures in those cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later.[6][7][6][8]

By 1970 she moved to Los Angeles conducting faith healing for thousands of people each day as an heir to Aimee Semple McPherson.[9] She became well-known despite, as she told reporters, having no theological training.[9]

In 1975, Kuhlman was sued by Paul Bartholomew, her personal administrator, who claimed she kept $1 million in jewelry and $1 million in fine art hidden away and sued her for $430,500 for breach of contract.[10][11] Two former associates accused her in the lawsuit of diverting funds and illegally removing records, which she denied and said the records were not private.[12] According to Kuhlman, the lawsuit was settled prior to trial.[6]

[edit] Death & Legacy
In July 1975 her doctor diagnosed her with a minor heart flareup and she had a relapse in November while in Los Angeles.[13] As a result, she had open heart surgery in Tulsa, Oklahoma from which she died in February 1976.[1] Kathryn Kuhlman is interred in the Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery in Glendale, California. A plaque in her honor is located in the main city park in Concordia, Missouri, a town located in central Missouri on Interstate Highway 70.

After she died, her will led to controversy.[14] She left $267,500, the bulk of her estate, to three family members and twenty employees.[14] Smaller bequests were given to 19 other employees.[14] According to the Independent Press-Telegram, her employees were disappointed that "she did not leave most of her estate to the foundation as she had done under a previous 1974 will."[14] The Kathryn Kuhlman Foundation has continued, but in 1982 it terminated its nationwide radio broadcasting.

She influenced faith healers Benny Hinn and Billy Burke. Hinn has adopted some of her techniques and wrote a book about her.[15]

[edit] Healing
Many accounts of healings were published in her books, which were "ghost-written" by author Jamie Buckingham of Florida, including her autobiography, which was dictated at a hotel in Las Vegas.[16] Buckingham also wrote his own Kuhlman biography that presented an unvarnished account of her life.[17]

[edit] Controversy
For several decades there has been serious debate within the various denominational proponents of "authentic" Christianity (That is, Christianity as Christ would have it practiced.) regarding the authenticity of Kathryn Kuhlman's theology. Some would suggest that she was a modern day prophet exercising the power of God, whereas others would suggest that she was a false prophet, exercising a "spirit" that masqueraded as "God". The debate continues today with proponents of the "Prosperity Theology" & "Faith Healing" movement, such as Benny Hinn, upholding Kuhlman as an important forerunner, but with defenders of orthodox Christianity, such as [18] Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute, considering Kuhlman to be an influential forerunner of a false Christianity that robs people of their money and propagates a distorted substitute of true Christian teachings.

12-22-2012, 11:49 AM
Few things are as valuable in a religious leader, or as associated with Jesus, as healing the sick and the lame, probably bringing sight to the blind, and of course, raising the dead. Jesus said whatever he had done, his followers would do, and more. We may remember Peter walked on the water, and as Apostles, some of the Disciples raised the dead.

Probably most religious people allow that miracles happen, but the idea that this is a power that can be granted a person (by God, presumably) and wielded by them on a regular basis is denied out of modernity and fear. Interestingly, one criterion for sainthood for the HRCC is evidence of several miracles (not necessarily healings, but including those).

Jesus himself was accused of casting out demons with the power not of God, but of Satan. His reply in rebuttal is the famous statement quoted by Lincoln, 'a house divided against itself cannot stand.'

The theory is that this is the power of the Holy Ghost, and whether the Holy Ghost can do in our time what it is said to have done in those times is a clear divide amongst Christian denominations. Some believe in the fruits of the (Holy Ghost's) Spirit still manifest in our time, regularly, while others may think it a rarity and a special miracle that cannot be commonplace.

12-22-2012, 03:35 PM
If jesus were korrekt, that hiz followers would do even more, and if in time with lots of blessings and good deeds allmost everyone (after death) bekame a saint, the ideal situation, and what iz after all what the church iz striving towards, then, if most peeple kood perform miracles, and the minority koodnt, wouldnt that lead to crowding out, and might this lead to miracle workers having to get up early if they wanted to find anyone sick or lame or possessed, or with a bald patch on their head, and might this lead to big fights tween miracle workers, "i saw him first", "no i saw him first", and then when miracles bekame commonplace, what then would constitute a miracle, what with bringing peeple back from death being performed by children before breakfast.

12-23-2012, 10:13 AM
An interesting reductio ad absurdum you got there, mac. Worthy of a 'Life of Brian' Monty Python style treatment.