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Soflasnapper
12-28-2012, 12:03 PM
Clearly, if only we'd had armed teachers in that NJ police station, no one would have been hurt.


GLOUCESTER TOWNSHIP, N.J. A man being processed on a domestic violence charge grabbed a gun and shot and injured three officers at a police station in southern New Jersey before he was killed.


It happened at the Gloucester Township police station in Camden County.
Police say gunfire erupted inside the station at about 5:45 a.m. Friday.
As the man was being processed on the complaint, he grabbed a gun and began firing. Three officers were hit before the suspect was shot and killed.
Deputy Police Chief David Harkins says one officer suffered a gunshot wound to the abdomen and was undergoing surgery. Two other officers suffered minor injuries.



I've heard that the most common way for policemen to be killed in the line of duty is with their own sidearm.

If a trained officer can have his gun taken and used, how are much less well trained teachers and school administrators to avoid this happening?

If the teachers and administrators lock up their weapons securely to avoid this happening, how can they then respond quickly enough to prevent slaughter by gunfire in the meantime?

If a felon or crazed person (in a registry) cannot obtain a weapon, wouldn't they just go to a school where they know there are weapons, to seize and use one?

LWW
12-28-2012, 02:16 PM
Let me ask you which is the larger number ... 26 or 3?

You ay use GOOGLE if needed.

LWW
12-28-2012, 02:22 PM
If a felon or crazed person (in a registry) cannot obtain a weapon, wouldn't they just go to a school where they know there are weapons, to seize and use one?

Being that our law enforcement is lax in prosecution of crimes for selling guns to thugs, any gang banger can pick up a "USED" nine ball for a Franklin in the hood ... or any briar hopper can do the same from the local kleagle in the trailerhood ... your statement smells of desperation.

Soflasnapper
12-28-2012, 02:36 PM
Let me ask you which is the larger number ... 26 or 3?

You ay use GOOGLE if needed.

If we wish to turn a discussion from 'preventing' to 'minimizing,' then the suggestion for restriction on sales of larger extended magazines is well in play.

LWW
12-28-2012, 03:52 PM
Why?

A pistol will hold fewer rounds by nature, a long gun is a far less effective close quarters weapon but some carry more rounds.

On what logical basis do you believe that outlawing smaller cap mags will stop murderers from using them? If that is the case, why hasn't making murder illegal stopped murder?

BTW ... I own a pistol bought during the old 10 round capacity law. What was the physical difference between the older 15 round mags and the then legal 15 rounders?

What do you think was required to convert them to 15 rounders once the law expired?

Which would I most likely kill the most humans with ... a Colt 1911 .45ACP JHP and s seven round clip, or a TEC9 assault weapon and a forty round clip of FMJ?

Your "FIX" is very much naive and overly simplistic.

Beyond that ... the world is much better served if the goal was keeping guns away from baddies.

Soflasnapper
12-29-2012, 10:48 AM
I don't have a fix. I recommended as worthwhile DISCUSSING a mag restriction. Why would that help? It would help minimize the situation.

Several times in the recent mass shootings it all ended when the shooter ran out of ammo in even his extended magazine, and then had to stop to reload another mag. That's when the bystanders were able to storm his position and disarm him and take him into custody. With fewer bullets per magazine, that point would have been reached sooner in time, and with fewer rounds shot into the civilians or first responders in the meantime. Complete common sense.

LWW
12-29-2012, 11:07 AM
You don't even know the physical difference between a 15 round mag and a 10 round mag do you.

Impress me.

Soflasnapper
12-29-2012, 03:21 PM
No, deflect some more. Even the Cheneys, father and daughter, agree with restricting the sale of higher capacity magazines.

cushioncrawler
12-29-2012, 04:10 PM
Didnt Dick accidentally shoot a fellow GOP shooting friend in the butt, years ago!!!!!!
Wonder what size bullet. And what size magazine.
mac.

But u will find all of that information if u look up the details of Dick's trial.

Soflasnapper
12-30-2012, 01:26 PM
Perhaps that is also true, but the event that was notorious was his shooting a member of his party in the face, not the butt.

It was a shotgun, using small shot suitable for quayle or other small birds, or else his shooting buddy would probably have been killed.

LWW
12-30-2012, 03:02 PM
No, deflect some more. Even the Cheneys, father and daughter, agree with restricting the sale of higher capacity magazines.

So you don't know what the difference is.

I din't think so.

Please, allow we to assist you.

Remove the feed spring ... 3 seconds ... turn the mag upside down and let the mag block fall to the top ... 2 seconds ... grab it with pliers and yank it out ... 5 seconds ... replace the feed spring.

On some weapons the block is metal and required opening and resealing the mag.

Worst case for someone who can install a car air filter ... under three minutes.

Now what did that "SOLVE" by lowering the limit if one is intent on mass homicide?

Here's a novel approach ... why don't we go after people who try to buy guns illegally and after those who sell guns illegally and after those who make straw purchases for criminals?

What is it about leftists that will make them try to criminalize the citizens most likely to save them if they ever were caught in a mass shooting ... and then hold candlelight vigils for the likes of Tookie Williams, Mumia Abu Jamal and Leonard Peltier?

LWW
12-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Didnt Dick accidentally shoot a fellow GOP shooting friend in the butt, years ago!!!!!!
Wonder what size bullet. And what size magazine.
mac.

But u will find all of that information if u look up the details of Dick's trial.
He should ave been prosecuted, I agree.

Gayle in MD
12-30-2012, 05:49 PM
Perhaps that is also true, but the event that was notorious was his shooting a member of his party in the face, not the butt.

It was a shotgun, using small shot suitable for quayle or other small birds, or else his shooting buddy would probably have been killed.

Yes, and then "Dick" had to hide until he sobered up.

Soflasnapper
12-30-2012, 06:36 PM
Now what did that "SOLVE" by lowering the limit if one is intent on mass homicide?

If the prospective shooter is an expert at such things, or willing to venture into transactions in the illegal underground gun market, I agree little would be accomplished.

However, if the prospective shooter is mentally ill, acting on what perhaps 'the voices tell him,' or a dog tells him perhaps, then he/she will neither know or learn of such techniques, nor figure out how to buy what might be illegal at that time from underground gun traffickers.

That would also likely be true if the original purchase was made when the eventual shooter was sane (or at least not homicidal), and the decision to mass murder was a snap decision on a psychotic break from some cause. He or she would have bought only what was legally allowable, wouldn't have gotten immersed in gun fetishism and trick techniques, and then would use whatever was at hand, unmodified.

Example: there isn't any example of a back-engineered higher-than-legally-allowed magazine being used during the so-called assault weapons ban (that also outlawed larger capacity mags), although there were such mass shootings during that time. The VaTech shooter used standard mag weapons, for instance. Those are plenty capable of wreaking mass murder, especially when used with multiple weapons (although the extra weapons cost more money than a single weapon, naturally).

cushioncrawler
12-30-2012, 06:58 PM
He should ave been prosecuted, I agree.Aktually, it woz mac's number one first time posting on this forum. It woz in answer to Gayle's statement that dick shood hav been prosecuted for shooting him.
I sayd no, but that Dick shood hav been prosecuted had he missed.
mac.