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Rod
10-16-2002, 12:05 AM
I posted this some time ago, some may have seen it and some here might be able to make them. I played a little this afternoon and a guy had something similar[not exact but very close] and asked how to play the shot. I said well if this ball was moved just a hair, here is how I'd shoot the shot. Here is one way draw the cue ball for position. No tricks here just a level stroke with a little heat on the c/b. I'll show you the aim line. This guy about went crazy when he saw the shot, and I made it 3 in a row. I shot the same shot a little later and miscued twice, then made it 3 more in a row. 8 in the corner with position on the 9. These balls are 1/4" apart. Some days the stroke just works well.

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He tried that but jabbed every time so it didn't work for him, so I said well why don't we just follow the ball. I got another one of those befuddled looks. Here is the aim line for the follow and note the cue is jacked up about 30 degrees. Its a firm shot but the c/b travels slow. Note if it's a double hit the c/b would never stop at the end rail. The 8 is aimed on both shots into the right long rail about 3' in front of the pocket. I made it 3 out of 5. Both shots are legal. Your mileage may vary. Just felt like sharing that, now if I could just make all those no brainer shots.LOL
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10-16-2002, 02:03 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Rod:</font><hr> I posted this some time ago, some may have seen it and some here might be able to make them. I played a little this afternoon and a guy had something similar[not exact but very close] and asked how to play the shot. I said well if this ball was moved just a hair, here is how I'd shoot the shot. Here is one way draw the cue ball for position. No tricks here just a level stroke with a little heat on the c/b. I'll show you the aim line. This guy about went crazy when he saw the shot, and I made it 3 in a row. I shot the same shot a little later and miscued twice, then made it 3 more in a row. 8 in the corner with position on the 9. These balls are 1/4" apart. Some days the stroke just works well.

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He tried that but jabbed every time so it didn't work for him, so I said well why don't we just follow the ball. I got another one of those befuddled looks. Here is the aim line for the follow and note the cue is jacked up about 30 degrees. Its a firm shot but the c/b travels slow. Note if it's a double hit the c/b would never stop at the end rail. The 8 is aimed on both shots into the right long rail about 3' in front of the pocket. I made it 3 out of 5. Both shots are legal. Your mileage may vary. Just felt like sharing that, now if I could just make all those no brainer shots.LOL
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Hmm.. in the bar leagues, we can't masse.. the stick can't "be over the shoulder" and all that. It sucks, because sometimes a masse shot is your best bet. I don't know if I could do those ones, but maybe with a little practice.

My shot of the night was this:

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I got strait in on the 1, and didn't get the angle I needed to break out the 3 ball, and everyone was wondering what I was going to do, but it's easy, just carom the 1 off the 3 with lots of draw (forgot that part in the diagram) and the 3 goes off the 11, hits the long rail softly and lands at (A). kindof a no-brainer, but noone saw it coming. /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif

CarolNYC
10-16-2002, 04:10 AM
Good for you,Rod:)
The worst"no-brainer shot" is missing with BIH!
Carol~been there,done that!

Patrick
10-16-2002, 04:58 AM
Show some harder shots.

Patrick

Fred Agnir
10-16-2002, 06:53 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Seattle-kid:</font><hr>

Hmm.. in the bar leagues, we can't masse.. the stick can't "be over the shoulder" and all that. <hr></blockquote>
I can understand this if the bar owner wants to save his table from would-be rippers, but this is another one of those wildfire "bar rules" that I am amazed how quickly and uniformly it has passed across the country.

My guess is that everytime someone wants to masse' or jump, some bar nut who wants every advantage to keep the table pulls that "rule" out claiming it to be well known. It's crap.

Fred

Patrick
10-16-2002, 07:15 AM
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This shot is 100% for me. Need lots of these shots to create new paths in rotation.

Patrick

Eric.
10-16-2002, 09:35 AM
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This shot is 100% for me. Need lots of these shots to create new paths in rotation.

Patrick <hr></blockquote>

That is not a difficult shot. It was not worthy of this topic. Only lower intelligence Alien life forms view this as impressive. Making this shot 100% of the time is easy.

Eric

Patrick
10-16-2002, 09:55 AM
Nothing is impressive to me.
You have a more difficult shot I can try?

Patrick

Eric.
10-16-2002, 10:06 AM
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote: Patrick:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr&gt; Nothing is impressive to me.
You have a more difficult shot I can try?

Patrick &lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have a game I invented called "Rotation One Pocket". It is essentially One Pocket but played in rotation. It is much superior to Rotation Straight Pool, which is only played by lower intelligence Alien life forms.

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I make this 100% of the time.

Eric

Rod
10-16-2002, 11:27 AM
SK, just to clarify the first shot is with a near level cue, the second you can consider more of a swerve than a masse. Although the cue is quite elevated it is not above my shoulder. It is shot under-handed. Are they saying if the butt end cap is above the horizontal shoulder plane? How do they define a masse? BTW good thinking on your out, yes it is simple but most bar players would never see it.

Paul_Mon
10-16-2002, 11:45 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Eric.:</font><hr> &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;
I have a game I invented called "Rotation One Pocket". It is essentially One Pocket but played in rotation. It is much superior to Rotation Straight Pool, which is only played by lower intelligence Alien life forms.

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I make this 100% of the time.

Eric <hr></blockquote>



Eric,
You've choosen the easy 100% way of making this shot. I suggest that shooting it my way is 110% effective

Paul Mon~~~~tongue firmly in cheek

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Rod
10-16-2002, 11:45 AM
Pat, I hate to be the one to break the news to you. That shot has been around well before your were a twinkle in your mothers eye. That is assuming you were of natural birth, or not!!

Eric.
10-16-2002, 11:56 AM
Paul,

You must be a similar being, as it takes special intelligence to comprehend this. I believe you and I are the only beings capable of playing Rotation One Pocket at a high level.

Eric

Rod
10-16-2002, 11:58 AM
Carol,
I missed one yesterday that might as well of been ball in hand. I got caught up with lookin at position before the ball went in, {which it didn't} oh but the position was great!! I wondered how many brain cells went into that shot. My guess was less than ONE! /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif I vaguely remember part of a joke. Something to do with standing in line for brains and I thought they said trains, and took the first one out of town. LOL

Rod
10-16-2002, 12:08 PM
You guys are at a "high" level!! I could only hope in my wildest dreams, say man, give me a hit of that doobie! LOL

Patrick
10-16-2002, 07:35 PM
Thanks, I will try these shots.
Btw, your lines and spin the on the cueball was far from accurate.

Patrick

Patrick
10-16-2002, 07:43 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Rod:</font><hr> Pat, I hate to be the one to break the news to you. That shot has been around well before your were a twinkle in your mothers eye. That is assuming you were of natural birth, or not!! <hr></blockquote>I have never seen anyone do it, maybe because you almost never need it in 9-ball.
I also like warp shots, they are a high percentage too, depending on how far the cueball is from the object ball.

Patrick

Patrick
10-16-2002, 08:20 PM
I have tried Rotation one pocket before and it was a limited game.
I tried the shot and don't know if you meant to hit the 2-ball thin or not, that is what it looks like. Without hitting the 2-ball it gets a normal 4 rail kick and the 14 and 2-ball in the way doesn't matter. It was about 90% for me.
I tried hitting the 2-ball thin and it was quite difficult, I hit it thin many times but not thin enough to make the 1-ball. I only made the 1-ball 2 times in 9.

Patrick

Patrick
10-16-2002, 08:23 PM
Ok, I tried this shot and it took 6 tries before I made it, after that it was about 35% because I knew how to make it with the biggest margin for error, then it depended only by speed control.

Patrick

stickman
10-16-2002, 08:47 PM
Of course you could always play the jump draw shot for perfect position on the two. I'm not as good as you guys, I'm only about 90% on this shot. Cough~~cough, that's some good stuff. LOL

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Patrick
10-16-2002, 09:20 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: stickman:</font><hr> Of course you could always play the jump draw shot for perfect position on the two. I'm not as good as you guys, I'm only about 90% on this shot. Cough~~cough, that's some good stuff. LOL

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Patrick

stickman
10-16-2002, 09:31 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Patrick:</font><hr> That shot is impossible to get soft position on the 2. You need to jump very high with the cueball so it slows down by jumping on the table many times, and then you will not have any draw left of the cueball to position it on the 2-ball.

Patrick <hr></blockquote>

Patrick, you need a soft tip on your jump cue for this shot. /ccboard/images/icons/wink.gif LMAO

Patrick
10-16-2002, 10:42 PM
I have created a page with difficult shots, you can post your difficult shots and I will list them on the page. The page is located here: http://vp3.0catch.com/challengepatrick.htm

Patrick

CarolNYC
10-17-2002, 03:37 AM
Hi Rod,
Oh, that is too funny!trains,brains,ha ha ha-position was precisely the reason I missed, also-I get good on the second ball but missed the first,ha ha ha,what the hell good is that?ha ha=MAKE THE FIRST BALL!ha ha ha-I was watching Steve Knight vs. Mika on ESPN yesterday-Mohigan Sun Challenge of Champions-OMG-Steve runs rack,pockets the nine, BUT DIDNT CALL IT! Now that would be the worse scenario-I couldnt believe it!Efren did the same thing!After that, THEY MADE SURE they called that 9-ball!
Have a nice day!
Carol~knows Rod can take any train cause he's got the brains already:)

CarolNYC
10-17-2002, 03:45 AM
Fred,
I am LMAO-not being able to jump or masse on a bar table-ha ha-thats because those bar tables are in SUCH PERFECT condition(yeah right!)Pros do it under perfect conditions,ha ha ha,goodness me, not on a bar table that may have been someones bed for an overniter,ha ha ha
Stay well!
Carol~agrees with Fred!:)

10-17-2002, 03:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Rod:</font><hr> SK, just to clarify the first shot is with a near level cue, the second you can consider more of a swerve than a masse. Although the cue is quite elevated it is not above my shoulder. It is shot under-handed. Are they saying if the butt end cap is above the horizontal shoulder plane? How do they define a masse? BTW good thinking on your out, yes it is simple but most bar players would never see it. <hr></blockquote>

The rule is so generalized that I dare not even try anything more than a slightly elevated (25-30 degrees perhaps) masse shot to get around 1/8 of a ball or so. any more than that, and like Fred said, the idiot that wants to keep the table or to not lose will probably call a foul.

those are some crazy shots you describe, but I've noticed that people at the pool hall here are really good at some crazy masse, or hard follow/draw shots.. but they have a hard time keeping hold of the cueball. I can get my cueball to do what I want it to, but I can't pull off alot of the crazy shots that can turn a losing game into a win.. aside from paper thin cut shots. I made one tonight that made everyone drop their jaws.. I cut it BACKWARDS (with english of course). Check it:

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10-17-2002, 04:04 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Paul_Mon:</font><hr> &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote: Eric.:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;
I have a game I invented called "Rotation One Pocket". It is essentially One Pocket but played in rotation. It is much superior to Rotation Straight Pool, which is only played by lower intelligence Alien life forms.

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I make this 100% of the time.

Eric &lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Eric,
You've choosen the easy 100% way of making this shot. I suggest that shooting it my way is 110% effective

Paul Mon~~~~tongue firmly in cheek

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<hr></blockquote>

This one I can't miss.

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;&gt;

10-17-2002, 04:11 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: stickman:</font><hr> Of course you could always play the jump draw shot for perfect position on the two. I'm not as good as you guys, I'm only about 90% on this shot. Cough~~cough, that's some good stuff. LOL

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C'mon guys, don't hog all the good drugs.. er, I mean, position plays. Why didn't you guys tell me about these shots? BTW, I did this shot 11 times in 10 tries, except I made the 1 and then the 2 both in the same pocket on the same shot!! It's easy, please show me some harder shots.. (cough cough, choke..) Duuuuuuuuude..

10-17-2002, 04:17 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: CarolNYC:</font><hr> Fred,
I am LMAO-not being able to jump or masse on a bar table-ha ha-thats because those bar tables are in SUCH PERFECT condition(yeah right!)Pros do it under perfect conditions,ha ha ha,goodness me, not on a bar table that may have been someones bed for an overniter,ha ha ha
Stay well!
Carol~agrees with Fred!:) <hr></blockquote>

yeah, you don't actually need to masse on a bar table.. if you hit it kinda slow it'll just curve naturally.. but you can't really control it. I think they're worried that masser's will put dents in the felt, and some unsuspecting bar patron will use the dent to hold his cigarette.

CarolNYC
10-17-2002, 04:21 AM
Seattle kid,
Ha,ha,ha,ha-
Have a nice day!:)
Carol

Paul_Mon
10-17-2002, 04:58 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Patrick:</font><hr>
That shot is impossible to get soft position on the 2. You need to jump very high with the cueball so it slows down by jumping on the table many times, and then you will not have any draw left of the cueball to position it on the 2-ball.

Patrick <hr></blockquote>


You have the wrong equipment to perform at our superior level. This shot requires a hard stroke with a ultra soft tip. I have installed a laminated foreskin tip on my Dungee jumper. Don't ask where to buy one it's a secret of the god's.

10-17-2002, 05:27 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Paul_Mon:</font><hr> &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote: Patrick:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr&gt;
That shot is impossible to get soft position on the 2. You need to jump very high with the cueball so it slows down by jumping on the table many times, and then you will not have any draw left of the cueball to position it on the 2-ball.

Patrick &lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


You have the wrong equipment to perform at our superior level. This shot requires a hard stroke with a ultra soft tip. I have installed a laminated foreskin tip on my Dungee jumper. Don't ask where to buy one it's a secret of the god's. <hr></blockquote>

I used to use one of those, but I could only draw the cueball 15 rails with it, so now I use Duct tape, and it works really good! God told me about it, and now my powers are limitless! Hahaha to all the mortal beings still playing pool with leather and laminated foreskin, I have found the great secret to perfect pool! I can now make my 26 rail, 246 carom, bounce off the table, hit the T.V., through the window, bounce into the road, get squeezed under the tire of an oncoming car and shot back into the house, off the refrigerator handle, along the counter, off my stack of old billiards digests, and kick in any ball on the table I choose, with perfect shape on the next shot. And I do it 100%. But thats easy.

Fred Agnir
10-17-2002, 07:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Paul_Mon:</font><hr>
. I have installed a laminated foreskin tip on my Dungee jumper.<hr></blockquote>
Do you store it in the refrigerator for the short jumps, and rub it for the long ones?

Fred

Patrick
10-17-2002, 05:30 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Seattle-kid:</font><hr>I made one tonight that made everyone drop their jaws.. I cut it BACKWARDS (with english of course). Check it:

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<hr></blockquote>I have done those 95 degree cut shots for years. That shot is 100% for me when it is that close. Try whole table length away, then you need to calculate massť also. If you shoot soft you need to use draw of course because tables are not level. The cueball needs to stop skidding 40 cm before it hits the object ball for best results. Good test for your calculating skills.

Patrick

Patrick
10-17-2002, 05:41 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Seattle-kid:</font><hr>This one I can't miss.

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;&gt; <hr></blockquote>This is a good challenge, thanks. I will try it.

Patrick

stickman
10-17-2002, 10:09 PM
Patrick, I'm curious. How much difference is there between VP2 and VP3? I only have VP2. I enjoy playing it, but there are shots that I can mke on VP2 that I could never make in real pool. (No stroke problems in VP, and I can get english that is next to impossible to get on some of the bar tables I play on.) Likewise, there are shots I can make in real pool that I can't make on VP. I've especially noticed that banks where the OB is frozen to the rail, are terribly difficult in VP. I also have no luck with close jumps.

Rod
10-17-2002, 10:40 PM
Jim, can either of those shots shown in my original post be made in VP?

10-18-2002, 07:15 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Patrick:</font><hr> &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote: Seattle-kid:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr&gt;I made one tonight that made everyone drop their jaws.. I cut it BACKWARDS (with english of course). Check it:

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&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I have done those 95 degree cut shots for years. That shot is 100% for me when it is that close. Try whole table length away, then you need to calculate massť also. If you shoot soft you need to use draw of course because tables are not level. The cueball needs to stop skidding 40 cm before it hits the object ball for best results. Good test for your calculating skills.

Patrick <hr></blockquote>

Ok, yer killin me here, man.. alright, I played this shot on a real pool table, using real pool balls, on real cloth, with a real cue, and I couldn't just press "L" to show me if I was going to make it or not. Please don't confuse real pool with virtual pool. I understand that virtual pool can improve your actual game, but it isn't going to make you a pro, and even a pro can't make a table length 95 degree cut shot 100% of the time.

If you want to say "hey, in virtual pool I can make that shot every time!" then fine.. good for you, but in REAL actual pool, where eyesight, table conditions, and all the normal human errors occur, things are alot different.. besides, again, we don't have the "L" button to help us.

Thanks.

stickman
10-18-2002, 08:03 AM
Yep, they sure can. /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif

MikeM
10-18-2002, 08:53 AM
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Voodoo Daddy
10-19-2002, 01:56 AM
I was driving to work today and saw a billboard on the way reading "You think its dry this month, wait until next month" Signed the D.E.A. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...too funny!!

Voodoo Daddy
10-19-2002, 02:01 AM
You should replace that redskins helmet with that bottle of rum...its easier to swallow than Spurriers bunch...opps {did I say that out loud?} Hope your ok up their with that bullet-slinger up your way!