Help With BIH Cheeze Shots :-(

[Sid_Vicious]

I desperately need advice on an obvious problem...hosing up a cheeze shot with BIH. Tell me, are there basic fundamentals for this seemingly no brainer? It's criminal the way I can fail on this shot. Here's a shot I missed Saturday.

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I admit that NOBODY should screw these up but I can, REGULARLY! Do you have a different stroke or is this something to practice to not miss...sid~~~misses far too many of these opportunities

You keep missing the same shot over and over and you're asking if you should practice it? Well gee wiz....I'll have to think about that...:)

Anonymous #47 --- can't wait to read all the posts describing that "different stroke".

[9 Ball Girl]

I have the same problem when I come across a straight-in combo shot. I usually try to put the CB as close as I can to the OB to close the gap between the two and use a closed hand bridge to prevent a wobbly stroke.

However, without BIH, I can usually make this one. Go figure:

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[PQQLK9]

Ok Sid... that's one of the shots that I usually nail. I note the contact point to make the object ball and then concentrate on hitting that point with the first object ball while ignoring the pocket.Remember now...Stay down and Follow through.../ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif good luck.

[Mike H]

Sid, while I don't have use of the WEI table, here's my suggestion: I line up the contact points on both OB's, and before I swing away, I look for the most "free" way to shoot it, meaning I determine if the 9 is easier to pocket when going rail-first with the first OB, I determine how I can create distance between the two OB's if I miss, and I determine if I can get the CB safe at the same time. Knowing you can do these things make it a little easier to relax and not worry when you shoot BIH 9-ball combos. Also, shooting these shots is worth some practice time, maybe a half-hour every practice session.

[Alfie]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> It's criminal the way I can fail on this shot. <hr></blockquote> What size table were you on? How big were the pockets?

[Rod]

Sid, Practicing combos is a good idea, it comes in handy. One word about combos, I've never seen one that is a cheese shot unless it's in front of the pocket. They may look simple but are really easy to miss. Don't consider them cheese shots ever, like your finding out. I rarely shoot a combo firm either, the one you had should have been shot fairly slow. If your a little off with to much speed it can just rattle in the pocket. If it was a bar box then it is easier but still can be missed. I'd opt for the run out personally, Ive been bit on combos way to many times.

[Sid_Vicious]

Rod...I did whack it pretty good, not a soft hit. But I have to say that most of my general competition making what seems like 80% of their combos shoot them hard, just an observation I've made. I don't usually opt for combos unless the table is really a mess somewhere, but I think about anyone would not have passed up the combo I presented on the WEI table.

I will practice these, and try slowing down. Thanks...sid

[phil in sofla]

Line up on the intervening ball as if it were the cue ball. Once you see that line, position the cue ball to make a center ball hit right on that point, so that you are shooting straight down that line, not cutting the intervening ball. Get the cue ball close to the intervening ball, 3 or 4 inches, and concentrate only on making a full ball, center hit, ignoring the 9 ball entirely.

If you've set this up correctly, and can deliver a full ball stroke, the 9 has to go.

One thing: if the intervening object ball is skidding when it impacts the 9, collision induced throw can cause the 9 to undercut. Ideally, you'd want the object ball rolling naturally, which will minimize the contact induced throw on the 9.

[Sid_Vicious]

I was backwards in my thinking about the skidding issue. I've gotten a lot of valuable advice from everyone, thanks to everyone...time to put in practice time with these shots. I've never practiced combos,,,don't know why...sid

I think the biggest problem is you are considering them a "cheeze shot"--a shot that can't/shouldn't be missed. Big mistake!

I used to be a ball-in-hand disaster area until I started giving them the same respect and concentration that I would a "tough shot". Bingo, end of problem!

Yours in anonymity,
DLE

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> I desperately need advice on an obvious problem...hosing up a cheeze shot with BIH. Tell me, are there basic fundamentals for this seemingly no brainer? It's criminal the way I can fail on this shot. Here's a shot I missed Saturday.

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I admit that NOBODY should screw these up but I can, REGULARLY! Do you have a different stroke or is this something to practice to not miss...sid~~~misses far too many of these opportunities

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Don't cheese the 9, just run out. /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif


If you MUST cheese the 9, I have a wierd way of doing combo's in which I just mentally turn the first object ball (in this case the 2 ball) into the cueball, and hit it where I need to to make the 9.

But in all honesty, running out is easier than that combo.. er, depending on the table.

another idea: Practice combos during your regular practice sessions, and do NOTHING but combos for about 3 or 4 racks at least.