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bigbro6060
11-07-2002, 08:40 PM
Now i know 'Master' is a relative term but for those who are at the stage where the cueball goes more or less where u want it to, how long did it take you to get to that stage, taken from the time when you consciously started to work on cueball control

thanx

phil in sofla
11-07-2002, 08:54 PM
I didn't work on cue ball control, and so gained what measure of it that I have now by putting in the time and the repetitions.

I'd guess that it was probably 2 years before I stopped being entirely surprised at where the cue ball ended up, despite my intentions, LOL!

I think it probably dated to playing 9-ball more, and having to make more table length shape (just an 8-ball player before, with more built in forgiveness for missing shape by having other balls to shoot at), that eventually has gotten me to the point where I have a decent feel for getting to places I need to get to. Now the whole process is more or less automatic, I look where I want to go, and rely on an instinctual stroke delivery for it to get there, without trying to quantify it ('stroke a 4 speed shot out of a 10 scale, 1/2 tips of English, whatever').

Chris Cass
11-07-2002, 09:04 PM
One yr. playing 14.1. 15 yrs old.


C.C.

Voodoo Daddy
11-07-2002, 09:36 PM
Whitey under control...not very long. Now ask me how long it took for me to handle missing...23 years, HAHAHAHAHA

Tom_In_Cincy
11-07-2002, 09:51 PM
BigBro6060,
I started playing pool in 1964 and by the end of 1965, I realized that what there is to learn about pool.. life is too short.

Cue ball control was a very long trial in my life. There were very limited books on the subject, not many instructors and no VIDEOs back then.

When I matched up with better players.. and asked "how did you do that?" the answer was standard in those days.. "Son, we're gambling, Lessons cost more"

I would venture to guess that the time it took me to learn cue ball control was at best.. 2 years..

But, I didn't have any instructors. I just watched and then took it to the practice table until I got it down.. sometimes that took months, sometimes it only took a few weeks..

The most important item that I learned was "Stroke". There isn't a lot of written material about learning the "Stroke", even in most recent of the better instructional books or tapes. You really need a certified instructor to learn this.

STROKE: the consistant throwing of the cue in a predictable forward motion (is not as easy as it sounds)

Rod
11-07-2002, 10:17 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: bigbro6060:</font><hr> Now i know 'Master' is a relative term but for those who are at the stage where the cueball goes more or less where u want it to, how long did it take you to get to that stage, taken from the time when you consciously started to work on cueball control

thanx <hr></blockquote>

Bigbro, more or less and master shouldn't be in the same sentence. I know what you mean though. It didn't take very long but that was more of a general area. As Tom mentioned you need a good stroke. Without that you can't hit the c/b exactly where you intend to. As CC mentioned playing 14-1 gave him good control and well it should. I'm about the same, after a year of 14-1 the words more or less or general wasn't close to being good enough.

11-07-2002, 10:59 PM
I'm quite surprised a number of the posters here are saying 1-2 years to master cue-ball control. You've got to be kidding me! My guess would be at least 5 years. You've got to remember, mastering cue-ball control MUST obviously come with maintaining a very high level of shotmaking consistency for it to be doing you any good.

To make the shots consistency AND get the cue-ball where you want it for the next shot (in the game of 9-ball) IMO requires mastering of the uses of all types of english as well. The successful use of english while STILL maintaining a high level of pocketing consistency (learning how much to compensate for squirt and swerve in your aiming process) IMO takes a very minimum of 5 years and realistically more like 10+ years - unless a player is a real natural unlike most of us.

Chris in NC

Chris Cass
11-07-2002, 11:38 PM
Hi Chris,

Now that you mention it. I still can't control the darn thing. If I mastered it I guess I'd be a pro but then again, the pros don't always get it where they want all the time. So, I guess the answer is never. hahahaha

Regards,

C.C.~~say hi to Drayton for us.....

Chris Cass
11-07-2002, 11:43 PM
Hi Voodoo,

The whole key to mastering the cb is to raise 3 of the four legs on the table. Then, make sure you find someone to play some one hole. hahahahha Missing yrs about 6 times worth. One stint was 6 yrs alone, in the casino business. You will forget but, you will remember too, when you see it again.

Regards,

C.C.~~calling Voodoo and asking where my cb went..lol

eg8r
11-08-2002, 12:06 AM
I think a variation on this thread would be "How long did it take you to LOSE the somewhat decent control you once had". I lost it all in about 15 minutes tonight. I feel I do a pretty good job moving the cb around the table and getting in the vicinity of where I need to be (at least most times on the right side of the ob). My problem, which Chris in NC stated, is that I do not pocket the balls very well. I have this horrible ability to miss just the slightest amount or rattle the ball. All this decent cue ball control means nothing since I did not make my ob. I am a little afraid how well I might play when I can pocket the balls and control the cue ball.

eg8r &lt;~~~Tonight would be a good example of me playing decent position and not making any balls.

stickman
11-08-2002, 12:12 AM
About 4 years for the more or less control. Can't say I've mastered it yet. I can get it in the general area, (close enough) most of the time. My biggest problem would be calculating the correct speed. I often go in the right direction but wind up short or long. Sometimes, when I get perfect position, I miss the preceeding shot. Position is of little use in that case.

Rod
11-08-2002, 12:33 AM
Chris, the term the poster used was more or less where you wanted the c/b. Within a couple of years I had decent control. It just kept getting better and your right it does take time. I really started playing 14-1 serious about 5 + years after I took up pool. Within a year I had very good control. Of course for the next couple of years it got even better. So I guess you can say it took about 8 years to master control but it still left room for improvement. I replied to the question in general as I thought that is what he wanted. Heck will never master the thing unless we have the time to devote and in competition on a regular basis. I'd take my shot making and c/b control after 8-10 years anytime compared to today. The one thing I have compared to years ago is a lot more knowledge. That one element is worth giving up a some on the other end. BTW we didn't have squirt then! LOL That was just invented to confuse people and sell books. /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif

Rod
11-08-2002, 01:16 AM
eg8r, you know what happens? In your mind you create an angle to play position, really. If that angle happens to be out of the pocket zone then you miss. After playing long enough your mind has the concept of your knowledge of angles. You need to learn how to pocket the ball and play position with the angle you are given. That's going to require better knowledge of c/b reaction at any given angle with any english used. You won't find this out by missing balls. Sure like you said you had decent position, but since you didn't pocket the ball the c/b would have never stopped there. Pocket the ball first and learn the c/b reaction. Don't let your mind create and easier angle to play position if it misses the pocket. Your always better off with control of the table. If you position is off to far and your not hooked, you can always duck. That's my story and I'm sticking to it./ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif I've seen this happen way to many times to know it is real and does exist.

11-08-2002, 02:31 AM
Hi Rod,
This is a great post. Anyone who has played the game can identify with your post. This is big problem. (manufacturing an angle that will not allow the ball to be pocketed). Pocketing of the shot dictates first and foremost. It tells how much flexibility a player has in position route options. Some shots you can't monkey around with. Get it down and go from there.-------no teeth joe

bluewolf
11-08-2002, 06:53 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Chris Cass:</font><hr> Hi Chris,

Now that you mention it. I still can't control the darn thing. If I mastered it I guess I'd be a pro but then again, the pros don't always get it where they want all the time. So, I guess the answer is never. hahahaha

Regards,

C.C.~~say hi to Drayton for us..... <hr></blockquote>

when i sink the ball, i often have natural position on easy shots. i have not learned yet how to make the ball, then turn the hard shot into an easy shot by cb control.i also have a hard time figuring out how to make the ball, then to get the cb to break up a cluster.

i have my stroke pretty good and pretty good aimin system ...but to get to the next level, i am ready for some more instruction...i do practice a lot but certain things I need to be taught.

bw

Kato
11-08-2002, 09:54 AM
Cue ball control. Well, I think I just learned the importance of cue ball control and actually tried to execute it in the last week. I've been playing for 7 or 8 years and thought I could feel the ball around the table. This past week was the first time I ever thought about cue ball control from front to back. Where to hit the cue ball, where that cue ball has to contact the object ball to make it in the desired pocket, then making the white go where it needs to go to start the process over again. So the answer is 8 years for me to bang balls around the table like an idiot. 1 moment of wisdom, to realize I actually have to think while playing pool. Now I figure it will take me another 5-10 years to become the player I think I should be and that includes control of cue ball. So I think the time that it will take me to learn to control the cue ball is anywhere from 13 to 18 years.

Kato

TomBrooklyn
11-08-2002, 10:08 AM
Good question, and a number of people have responded with various timeframes from one year to five years or more; but most didn't say how much they played, or how concious they were of trying for cueball control. Is that playing two hours a week or twenty hours a week?

I also wonder how much did you learn about cueball control a bit at a time from other players in the course of playing games, versus how much did you pick up by getting instruction from a teacher, book, or video and specifically working on it with drills etc. -Tom

Fred Agnir
11-08-2002, 10:18 AM
How long did it take to Master the cueball? About 5 minutes, using a hydraulic nut breaker.

HTH,

Fred &lt;~~~ master of none

eg8r
11-08-2002, 10:19 AM
Rod, thanks for the advice. Tonight, I am going to pay more attention at just making the ball. Maybe for awhile I will just use center ball (high and low) and just concentrate on making the ob.

Thanks,
eg8r

Rod
11-08-2002, 11:22 AM
Tom, In the begining I averaged about 20 hours a week, just a guess could have been more. When I had a full time job shortly after H/S, time spent would easily average 30 to as much as 40 hrs per week. It just kept increasing as 50 hrs or more per week wasn't unusual.

I was aware of c/b control and shot making very near the begining. Common sense told me I can't make that ball and play position from 8 ft away if the shot was difficult.

I learned from watching and playing. I flew past the guys that started playing the same time as I did. All of them quit playing anyway. I've never had a lesson other that paying a gambling debt! I have never watched an instructional tape! When I started I had my little red Mosconi book. Later I bought the book on 3C by Hoppie. I'm self taught and learned everything the hard way, trial and error. If you learn from your mistakes, you'll only get better.

smfsrca
11-08-2002, 01:47 PM
I believe (many of the posts here will bear me out) that the fastest route to cue ball control is by playing straights (14.1) daily and as often as possible.
When I first started to play (January 1962) it was automatic to rack all the balls and play to 50 points for time. Now we automatically rack for nine ball. When you start by playing straights you learn very quickly that it is all about cue ball control. The reason for this is that most shots made during a game are relatively easy and you get to focus most of your attention on position play rather than shot making. If your attention is focused more toward shot making you will require a much longer time to become proficient at control.
Incorporate regular play at 14.1 into your game and you will improve your nine ball play faster. Play short 50 pointers. Play for cheap or play for time.
Steve in CA

Chris Cass
11-08-2002, 11:40 PM
BW,

The first thing a player must learn before they can learn any cb control is, how to scratch. Once you've scratched every way possible you can then begin to understand how not to. You can always count on them as some are automatic.

The hardest part of the entire game is learning the game itself. The only thing in pool that's important is, being on the right side of the ob. That might be hard to understand but it's true. The less distance the cb has to travel and the least objects it collides with the better off you are.

GoodLuck,

C.C.

bluewolf
11-09-2002, 12:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Chris Cass:</font><hr> BW,

The first thing a player must learn before they can learn any cb control is, how to scratch. Once you've scratched every way possible you can then begin to understand how not to. You can always count on them as some are automatic.

The hardest part of the entire game is learning the game itself. The only thing in pool that's important is, being on the right side of the ob. That might be hard to understand but it's true. The less distance the cb has to travel and the least objects it collides with the better off you are.

GoodLuck,

C.C. <hr></blockquote>

very interesting. I almost never scratch in a game.when i get better and having to do feisty position, I can see where knowing all of the scratch shots is in important.

when i have a straight in, i usually draw or stop,unless i am using a little english to cheat the pocket. but sometimes in practice, i just shoot and if the cb goes in i dont care.

i will try your suggestion, though. it sounds like fun too

bw

Ralph S.
11-09-2002, 07:30 AM
I am trying to catch up with all the posts and this one kinda got my attention. From my experiences playing the game, approximately 16 years, I have found that you can control the cue ball for the most part, but there are sometimes that just doesnt happen. LOL. I personally dont think one can completely master cb control as even the pros overplay position once in a while. Its just that human factor.
Ralph S.

Tom_In_Cincy
11-09-2002, 09:16 AM
Chris, (good to see you posting again.. Hope to see you at the Derby)

You are "dead on" about the Mastering of the cue ball.. I think many players are absolutely great shot makers.. if they can see the ball they can make it somewhere. Lots of Pros try to get shape just to be able to 'see' the next ball, to play a safe. Which is tough, but I wouldn't consider this a "master of cue ball control"

Mastering Cue ball position is a life long effort. You can only try to obtain this goal... and that's the challenge.