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bigbro6060
11-14-2002, 07:22 PM
Guys, do you grip the cue with the thumb and the first finger only, or the thumb and the first two fingers ?

or does anyone use any more fingers ?

i grip with thumb and first two fingers, with the other two fingers just there for the cue to rest on

Efren i think uses only the thumb and first finger

Cueless Joey
11-14-2002, 09:16 PM
Index finger and thumb only, here.
Let the cue do the talking.

Popcorn
11-14-2002, 09:20 PM
Thumb and the third and forth fingers and a lite touch of the fifth. My first finger does not even contact the cue. It seems to help keep the wrist going straight. I know it helps my shot making. When I used to use the first two fingers, I would sometimes twist the cue. Once I changed my grip my game improved. It is nice when you can find something that will automatically fix a bad habit, mine was turning my wrist. Played with this grip for 30 years or more now.

PQQLK9
11-14-2002, 09:25 PM
Thumb and SECOND finger...somewhat snuggled in the vee (no daylight)seems to help me from turning my wrist out. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Fred Agnir
11-15-2002, 12:22 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bigbro6060:</font><hr> Guys, do you grip the cue with the thumb and the first finger only, or the thumb and the first two fingers ?<hr /></blockquote>

I'm mainly a three-finger-carry type of guy, using the thumb, middle, and ring fingers. I normally do not use my forefinger on my grip.

Fred

Barbara
11-15-2002, 05:07 PM
I now grip the cue with my thumb and the last three fingers - the middle, ring and maybe the pinkie.

The thumb and forefinger are considered your "directional" fingers. And they can inadvertantly twist the cue on a shot. The middle, ring and pinkie fingers cannot do this. Try and twist the cue with these three fingers as opposed to the other two yourself and see what happens.

Barbara

Rod
11-15-2002, 05:23 PM
I use the thumb, index and ring finger. I hold the cue very light. I've seen and heard of several players using the grip you describe Fred. If one can get use to it it sounds good to me. I've played that way several times in practice. I keep getting the feeling I'm going to toss the cue across the table.

bluewolf
11-15-2002, 05:55 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr> I now grip the cue with my thumb and the last three fingers - the middle, ring and maybe the pinkie.

The thumb and forefinger are considered your "directional" fingers. And they can inadvertantly twist the cue on a shot. The middle, ring and pinkie fingers cannot do this. Try and twist the cue with these three fingers as opposed to the other two yourself and see what happens.

Barbara <hr /></blockquote>

Now this is an idea worth trying!!!! When I was trying to get the tenseness outta my grip, I was resting the cue on the first two fingers. This gave me a great follow through but it did feel like the cue was going to fly outta my hand. Pretty kool feeling actually. I usually use thumb lightly and first two but drop a finger if I am gripping too light.

But I like you idea, Barbara, and will try it.

bw

11-15-2002, 06:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bigbro6060:</font><hr> Guys, do you grip the cue with the thumb and the first finger only, or the thumb and the first two fingers ?

or does anyone use any more fingers ?

i grip with thumb and first two fingers, with the other two fingers just there for the cue to rest on

Efren i think uses only the thumb and first finger <hr /></blockquote>

giving credit where it is due, dick...ooops, i mean ####leonard suggested several years ago, on this board, that i try moving the grip to the back of the hand. he actually suggested i try hanging it on the pinkey only just to see what would happen.

it took a ton of work and the help of a bca master instructor (fran) but i did get the thumb and forefinger completely out of the game. made a huge overall improvement. there are still some specialty shots which require different grips but for the most part, moving the grip to the back of the hand was the right thing to do.

dan

Barbara
11-15-2002, 06:36 PM
Yep!! ####leonard said the very same so many years ago and right when I needed the help so much, Fran comes home from meeting Stretch and ####leonard, but it was Linda Haywood-Shea that originally told me how to grip a break cue - thumb and middle finger because the forefinger and the thumb are the steering fingers.

But Fran reinforced this with ####leonard and that's when I changed my grip. And it also reduces the elbow drop, to boot!!

Barbara

dddd
11-15-2002, 08:11 PM
depends but generally second, third and thumb, sometimes tighter when i need some draw. but i never remember feeling the first finger on the cue at all.

Duke Mantee
11-15-2002, 08:27 PM
Barbara:

I guess my grip resembles yours to some extent: my middle and ring fingers support the cue from below, and my thumb and index finger limit the cue's side-to-side movement. My little finger only brushes the cue and doesn't affect the stroke significantly.

But I've just realized that I could try blaming my misses on bad work with my little finger. This would be yet another source of happiness for my opponents.

D.M.

Barbara
11-15-2002, 08:41 PM
Duke,

I basically don't let my forefinger touch the cue. It must look goofy from a spectator's stand point of view, but I don't twist my cue for that "extra english". And I'm shooting straighter with following through on my shot, too.

Thanks again Fran Crimi and Linda Shea. They both had the same advice. And years apart. Got the break cue advice from Linda. Got the cue grip advice from Fran. And ####leonard.

Barbara

Voodoo Daddy
11-15-2002, 09:31 PM
God give five of them fingers...and they all go on the cue. Sometimes I use, what Kato likes to call the "The Miami Voodoo Daddy 3-Fingered Porno Pump" grip. Which is thumb, fore and middle fingers for those shots that require special attention. Both have a soft grip and a loose wrist...for feel. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tom_In_Cincy
11-15-2002, 11:12 PM
When a 20 oz cue strikes a 6 oz ball, it doesn't need much more force to do what you want.

I use the middle and ring finger to hold the cue.. and the thumb to keep the cue from rolling off my two fingers.

11-16-2002, 05:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bigbro6060:</font><hr> Guys, do you grip the cue with the thumb and the first finger only, or the thumb and the first two fingers ?

or does anyone use any more fingers ?

i grip with thumb and first two fingers, with the other two fingers just there for the cue to rest on

Efren i think uses only the thumb and first finger <hr /></blockquote>

There are times when you have to put a little extra juice on the cueball, and I don't think you can do it very well if you only use 2 fingers and a thumb to hold the cue.

I hold it with all my fingers except my pinky is barely touching.. and I hold it so loose that sometimes I wonder why I've never had it fly out of my hands. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Fred Agnir
11-16-2002, 07:50 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote houstondan:</font><hr> giving credit where it is due, dick...ooops, i mean ####leonard suggested several years ago, on this board, that i try moving the grip to the back of the hand. he actually suggested i try hanging it on the pinkey only just to see what would happen.

it took a ton of work and the help of a bca master instructor (fran) but i did get the thumb and forefinger completely out of the game. <hr /></blockquote>

Now that I've been on a table, and even though I've claimed I use a three-finger carry, I really don't use the thumb either. So, I guess I'll have to now say that I use a 2-finger carry.

For me, I fell into this grip by pure dumb luck. I thought I read it in a book (Come to Billiards Away) as a type of grip to try, so I tried it and have stuck with it for I guess over 10 years. I say it was dumb luck because when I went back to the book, it didn't say that at all, and I simply misread it. The author clearly suggests to keep the forefinger in light contact. I thought it said to keep the forefinger off. So goes my reading comprehension. Lucky for me.

Fred

bluewolf
11-16-2002, 08:05 AM
When I changed my grip to 'light', I was using the 2 finger carry also, but I was down very low on the ball. When I have to higher up on some shots, I have to add the thumb for support. I also like the thumb and first finger grip, as it can be used for all shots.

blu

Sid_Vicious
11-16-2002, 08:46 AM
Thumb and first finger, Efren has it right...sid

Wally_in_Cincy
11-16-2002, 11:24 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rod:</font><hr> I keep getting the feeling I'm going to toss the cue across the table. <hr /></blockquote>

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Seattle-kid:</font><hr> .. and I hold it so loose that sometimes I wonder why I've never had it fly out of my hands. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Happened to me the other night. Cross-side bank shot. Grip hand stopped, cue continued about 18 more inches. Clunk.

I guess my grip's loose enough.... /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bluewolf
11-16-2002, 11:59 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> Thumb and first finger, Efren has it right...sid <hr /></blockquote>

Sid,

after reading these posts, I played pool. I realized I am holding with thumb and first finger. The middle finger is barely touching the cue.

I do have intermittent hand tremors. I have found that when that happens, the ligher the better. So sometimes I do just rest the cue on the fingers without holding it at all.

blu

Scott Lee
11-16-2002, 09:33 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr> For me, I fell into this grip by pure dumb luck. I thought I read it in a book (Come to Billiards Away) as a type of grip to try, so I tried it and have stuck with it for I guess over 10 years. I say it was dumb luck because when I went back to the book, it didn't say that at all, and I simply misread it. The author clearly suggests to keep the forefinger in light contact. I thought it said to keep the forefinger off. So goes my reading comprehension. Lucky for me.

Fred <hr /></blockquote>

As Jack White, author of "Let Us To Billiards Away", shows, his thumb and first three fingers lightly grip the cue. He has ALWAYS gripped the cue with his index finger...as have I! Personally, I use them all, and only Voodoo mentioned the same. I think grips are kind of like stances...as long as it is comfortable, yet firm...but not a death grip... lots of different grips can work for the player. Myself, I have never had a problem with the cue twisting, even though I use my forefinger (and the other three) to grip the cue lightly. I find more students have a problem with how HARD they grip, rather than how many, and which fingers they use.
When the bicep gets involved in the shot, the stroke goes in the toilet! Once I get them to relax the bicep, it allows the student to learn to use the weight of the cue, a pendulum swing, and timing, to deliver the perfect stroke.

Scott Lee

TonyM
11-17-2002, 03:11 AM
"There are times when you have to put a little extra juice on the cueball, and I don't think you can do it very well if you only use 2 fingers and a thumb to hold the cue. "

This is one of those statements that sounds "reasonable", but just might not be correct!

Have you ever seen a very good 3 C player juice the ball with their super delicate grip? They can get all the power in the world with just the first finger and thumb.

In fact, your statement makes a basic assumption that I think is flawed. That you need extra force with your grip hand, in order to apply additional power. In fact, the cue should do all the work. The weight of the cue, and it's speed is all that is needed to get any "juice" that you or anyone else ever needs.

I used to think the same way you did, but now I think that less is definitely better. All I think you need for the grip is to cradle the cue with the first one or two fingers and thumb, and let the other fingers just provide a bit of stability.

After all, Effren and Bustamante can get plenty of juice with their grips can't they?

Tony

Cueless Joey
03-28-2003, 10:05 AM
Tony, you couldn't have said it better.
There is just no way the cue tip can go any faster through the cueball if you held the cue lightly.

Rod
03-28-2003, 10:53 AM
[ QUOTE ]
In fact, your statement makes a basic assumption that I think is flawed. That you need extra force with your grip hand, in order to apply additional power. In fact, the cue should do all the work. The weight of the cue, and it's speed is all that is needed to get any "juice" that you or anyone else ever needs. <hr /></blockquote>

Good catch there Tony. Just the heading of this thread (The GRIP) is scary indeed. I would like to add the lower arm adds to the cue weight X amount as it "rides" the cue to the finish.

Rod